Adelaide Cows would be crazy not to go after Scharenberg if he can pass the medical. Right age for them and the should go hard for Aish too. Jenkins and Atkins for Aish and Scharenberg would be a good deal and starts to repair their age profile.
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We do not rate or need Atkins and Jenkins is almost worthless...
Aish was looking good in defence this year before injury.
Aish and Scharenberg may be injury prone but even if Atkins is fit he wouldn't be best 22
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Don't see any reason whatsoever why Collingwood would swap Aish for Atkins. Jenkins for Scharenberg isn't a crazy idea though, Jenkins is a clear upgrade on Mason Cox and Bucks obviously doesn't think Scharenberg is best 22, so it could have some appeal for a team like Collingwood chasing short term success.
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Scharenberg is best 22, we just didn't have a good matchup for him against Geelong. Expect him to play this week against GWS.
Also we'd want more than Jenkins for Scharenberg but agree it's a strong starting point.
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no he isnt
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It's not just last week though is it? Scharenberg has been in and out of the VFL all year, and even last year he took a while to break into the AFL side before his injury. I still remember watching you guys play GWS a few weeks back with their KPF's tearing you to shreds as for some reason Bucks left Scharenberg at home in favour of Flynn Appleby.
To be clear, I think Scharenberg is in Collingwood's best 22. I'm just not convinced your coach does.
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He’s not in our best 22, Langdon and Howe are clearly ahead of him
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???
They don't even play the same roles. Langdon and Howe are intercepting 3rd talls, whereas Scharenberg is clearly a lock down defender with reliable skills.
Darcy moore is also clearly ahead of Scharenberg, what's your point?
This is exactly why Scharenberg's role in our team is matchup dependent. If opposition has a Darling/Gunston/Stringer you're gonna want to have Scharenberg in the team.
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He kind of did; WHE played 52 of a possible 112 games in his 5 years with the Giants. His body was the main question over him when he came to Collingwood, and it was pretty amazing when he didn't miss a game in his first two years with us.
That being said, Scharenberg has played just 38 of a possible 137 games since coming to the Pies. Can't escape that when valuing him.
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Intercept Possessions Per Game, 2018 season
Tom Langdon - 7.96
Jeremy Howe - 7.71
Matthew Scharenberg - 7.06
One Percenters Per Game, 2018 season
Jeremy Howe - 5.81
Tom Langdon - 5.35
Matthew Scharenberg - 5.06
Rebound 50s Per Game, 2018 season
Jeremy Howe - 4.71
Tom Langdon - 3.04
Matthew Scharenberg - 3.00
Disposals Per Game, 2018 season
Tom Langdon - 19.91
Matthew Scharenberg - 19.71
Jeremy Howe - 18.76
All fit and at their best, they're all pretty similar.
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Yes they do, they are all third talls. If you think they differ in position you are terribly, terribly mistaken.
yes, agreed Moore is far ahead as a key defender?? Saying that doesnt really help you here.. so I'll throw it back at you... whats your point?
Not if you have Langdon/Howe healthy
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I knew he had his injury issues but nothing near Schaz
In % form Scharenberg has played 28% of games while WHE played 46%.. bit of a gap... I would also argue Schaz is like another knee injury away from it all being over
and well this comes down to personal opinion but WHE showed more in the games he did play imo.
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That's like saying Treloar and Wills play the same role just because they both play around the ball... Howe/Langdon's focus is clearly to impact contests as a 3rd man up, whereas Scharenberg is a lock down defender who can also rebound if required but not preferred.
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Langdon and Howe are both better at defending than Schaz lol None of them play loose, they all play on a man. Langdon and Howe are just better players and get across and intercept more
Our best backline is:
Maynard Roughead Howe
Langdon Moore Crisp
And Greenwood or Aish as the 7th defender (coaches seem to favour Aish)
The issue with Atkins is the difference between his best and worst is too high but his best is pretty good and he's the type of player who looks and plays better when he's in a dominant team. Same goes for Jenkins 50 goal forward in a dominant team but in a struggling team is barely worth putting on the park. I think the trade would be win/win. You have 2 Adelaide downhill skiers who can do some damage vs 2 Collingwood guys not always first 22 players with bad injury records.
If Adelaide could keep them on the park they would get the better deal in the long run. If Collingwood won a premiership on the back of improvement of Jenkins kicking 50+ goals and Atkins playing 10+ games they would get the better deal. Admittedly Atkins isn't ideal but you can't expect to get too much for these guys.
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Atkins is a better player than both Aish and Scharenberg. Can be a game breaker on the wing or half back where the others are just good role players.
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I’m not questioning whether he is better than Aish or Scharenberg but game breaker?
Really?
How many games has he broken open and won?
Let’s not sensationalise please.
Atkins has a handful of good games a season, maybe one great and the rest he is a liability for his side. I’d much rather the more consistent role player.
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He has 10 Brownlow votes from five games in 2017 including two best on grounds. Third most for Adelaide in grand final year. Aish and Schraenberg have three career votes between them.
The guy didn’t have a great year but he’s actually a weapon on his day where the others you’d maybe pick up on DFA list.
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Atkins is also one of the softest players in the league. Appears genuinely fearful of physical contact, and looks like he's shitting his pants when someone tries to tackle him. I get that he's an outside player, but just can't trust him to not hear footsteps when it's his turn to go.
For all his faults and his skinny body, Aish is fundamentally sound defensively, puts the team first (shepherds and blocks for teammates, etc), and doesn't lack courage at all.
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Plenty of talent, quick in the mind. We have a number of players of his ilk in the backline, so if we were to trade him we would survive. If we don’t get something useful in return to better our list id be inclined to keep him and let him play out his contract on a wing, or on ball...Could easily also go forward.
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There have been absolutely no reports of Collingwood shopping him around, and he only has another year on his contract, so this statement can’t really be justified.
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Tom Morris reported that he was seen as attainable by other clubs, for whatever that's worth.
