McGaune & Moore.

[Bentleigh]

I know there is a thread on this from last week - but I'll make another based on Round 2. Both impressed me alot and I gave me hope of each being a future good KP defensive option.

I didn't see alot of Moore but he keeped O'Keefe (great footballer) quite which is a top effort. He seems to have (finally) got abit of muscle, making him a pretty impressive unit not with his hight/speed.

McGaune was great I thought. Quailty unit. Look natural down back.

 

[jezza]

McGuane was a bit more controlled with his attack on the footy this week. Runs fairly stooped, and has a strange kicking style but it seems more suited to drilling low passes rather than floaters which is a good thing.

Moore was also good. Seems more of a natural athlete than McGuane who still gives the impression of growing into his body. Would like to see him start to use that athleticism more and start to be a part of the group running the ball out. Will come with confidence.

All of a sudden our KPP stocks are looking pretty good, given it wasn't that long ago things looked fairly dire. Plenty of defensive options (Gaspar, Thursfield, Bowden, Moore, McGuane, Polak, Schulz, Hall), plenty of attacking options (Richo, Schulz, Polak, McGuane, Pattison, Simmonds, Kingsley), plus a few young guys that might be able to get some games this year in Hughes (seems like he's doing an apprenticeship in defence at the moment), JON and Reiwoldt.

Good thing is almost all will (should) be around for quite a while and there's some good versatility in there.

Now we just need the midfield.....

 

[Bentleigh]

McGuane was a bit more controlled with his attack on the footy this week. Runs fairly stooped, and has a strange kicking style but it seems more suited to drilling low passes rather than floaters which is a good thing.

Moore was also good. Seems more of a natural athlete than McGuane who still gives the impression of growing into his body. Would like to see him start to use that athleticism more and start to be a part of the group running the ball out. Will come with confidence.

All of a sudden our KPP stocks are looking pretty good, given it wasn't that long ago things looked fairly dire. Plenty of defensive options (Gaspar, Thursfield, Bowden, Moore, McGuane, Polak, Schulz, Hall), plenty of attacking options (Richo, Schulz, Polak, McGuane, Pattison, Simmonds, Kingsley), plus a few young guys that might be able to get some games this year in Hughes (seems like he's doing an apprenticeship in defence at the moment), JON and Reiwoldt.

Good thing is almost all will (should) be around for quite a while and there's some good versatility in there.

Our youth KPP stocks did look promising yesterday.

Moore & McGaune down back impressed and gave alot of hope. Patto & Schultz didnt't star yesterday, but each showed enough. Schultz has had two solid games and adds abit of presence. Patto tried his guts out against a very good team.

Arguably our best best three KPP prosects; Thusty, Reiwoldt & Hughes are still to come into the side.

Now we just need the midfield.....

We are building up the running players slowly.

Cogs, Newman, Hyde, Tuck will still be around for a long time.

Deledio, Tambling, Polo, Raines, Foley all played yesterday and will future the core of the sides future midfeild. Our highest rated young midfeilders, getting 50 games into them quickly.

By the end of the season I would hope Meyer, JON, Edwards, White, Hartigan, Connors etc. are pushing Tivendale, Krakouer, Howat etc. for their spot.

If all goes to plan the like of Meyer, JON, Edwards, Connors overtake Tivendale, Howat, Krakouer form

 

[Calcium Man]

The one thing that really disappoints me about our young KPP stocks is their is no real monster among them. They are all 191-193 cms. We dont have that monster like Hawkins or gumbleton who 197-198 cms.

 

[jezza]

The one thing that really disappoints me about our young KPP stocks is their is no real monster among them. They are all 191-193 cms. We dont have that monster like Hawkins or gumbleton who 197-198 cms.

True, but that's more a reflection on the way we are trying to play, and picking the players to match that.

 

[Bentleigh]

The one thing that really disappoints me about our young KPP stocks is their is no real monster among them. They are all 191-193 cms. We dont have that monster like Hawkins or gumbleton who 197-198 cms.

I put this down to comming 9th instead of rebuilding. (for more infomation cheak the following threads: 1 + 2 + 3)

Our only monster KP (in terms of hight) are Patto, who is abit retarted.. Polak who is a Freo reject, and Hall is very retarted.

To get a 'good' monster KP prospect we needed to finshed lower; to score a Kennedy (Carlton), Williams (Dogs), Dowler / Thorp (Hawks) type.

Ask Weaver how much he wanted Gumbleton at Richmond.

Richmond really need at least 2 of Rewoldt/Hughes/Schultz to make become solid KP forwards.

True, but that's more a reflection on the way we are trying to play, and picking the players to match that.

Perhaps, to an extent.

 

[Calcium Man]

I put this down to comming 9th instead of rebuilding. (for more infomation cheak the following threads: 1 + 2 + 3)

Our only monster KP (in terms of hight) are Patto, who is abit retarted.. Polak who is a Freo reject, and Hall is very retarted.

To get a 'good' monster KP prospect we needed to finshed lower; to score a Kennedy (Carlton), Williams (Dogs), Dowler / Thorp (Hawks) type.

Richmond really need at least 2 of Rewoldt/Hughes/Schultz to make become solid KP forwards.

In some ways i agree. Tho the system has rourted us as much as anything. Finshing 9th and have 3 teams get priority draft picks is completely unfair. Giving us a much lower pick.

It is still possible to get these monsters outside the top few picks. We could have had Mitch Clark instead of JON (Tho i still think JON will be a very good player), obviously pavlich. Daniel Merritt, Lonergan and Minson were options at 12 instead of Schulz.

Im not saying we recruited the wrong way in these situations but these monsters are still around. We have never used the rookie list to give a big bloke some time to develop. Gus is the first one.

Its the one thing that disappoints me.

Ask Weaver how much he wanted Gumbleton at Richmond.

Dont worry i was super keen on him too, tho I wanted Hansen more. Its one reason i feel drafting riewoldt was a mistake. I would have prefered a midfielder. But the way it all worked out in the end with connors so low we did really well i thought.

 

[Bentleigh]

In some ways i agree. Tho the system has rourted us as much as anything. Finshing 9th and have 3 teams get priority draft picks is completely unfair. Giving us a much lower pick.

That's a weak way of looking at it.

We knew how the draft worked and where our list was at. We could have choosen to rebuild or top up.

We didn't rebuild. Blaming the system is just a cop out.

It is still possible to get these monsters outside the top few picks. We could have had Mitch Clark instead of JON (Tho i still think JON will be a very good player), obviously pavlich. Daniel Merritt, Lonergan and Minson were options at 12 instead of Schulz.

Im not saying we recruited the wrong way in these situations but these monsters are still around. We have never used the rookie list to give a big bloke some time to develop. Gus is the first one.

Its the one thing that disappoints me.

Pavlich just kicked the best goal I've ever seen. It makes me cry we choose Fiora instead of him. I'd almost have him at Richmond ahead of every other player in the league (Judd & Brown would also be in contention). *sigh*

Merritt looks decent, but im sure if he is worth pick #12. PLayed alright last week but no star. Lonergan is abit rubbish and has one kidney.

2002 was pretty average. Schultz might still come good yet. Minson I'd jump at. (#20). Ditto Rivers (#26).

Dont worry i was super keen on him too, tho I wanted Hansen more. Its one reason i feel drafting riewoldt was a mistake. I would have prefered a midfielder. But the way it all worked out in the end with connors so low we did really well i thought.

We could look abit silly if the highly rated James Sellar comes good.

In a perfect world Schultz becomes a Lynch-type FF monster, Rewoldt an A-Grade CHF, and Hughes abit like J Riewoldt/A Hansen; our leading tall flanker.

Intersting to see what actully happens.

 

[Calcium Man]

That's a weak way of looking at it.

We knew how the draft worked and where our list was at. We could have choosen to rebuild or top up.

We didn't rebuild. Blaming the system is just a cop out.

Its not a weak way of looking at it. I dont want to go along and watch richmond spend 3 or 4 years on the bottom like the saints or Carlton. I want to see my team win games. Its a cop out to tank.

Each team should pick up a quality kid with their first round pick. But when you give some teams two bites at the cherry you're diminishing the chances of a mid range team getting a quality kid that'll improve the squad. The new system is much better.

REBUILDING IS NOT ALL ABOUT TANKING

Pavlich just kicked the best goal I've ever seen. It makes me cry we choose Fiora instead of him. I'd almost have him at Richmond ahead of every other player in the league (Judd & Brown would also be in contention). *sigh*

Merritt looks decent, but im sure if he is worth pick #12. PLayed alright last week but no star. Lonergan is abit rubbish and has one kidney.

2002 was pretty average. Schultz might still come good yet. Minson I'd jump at. (#20). Ditto Rivers (#26).

Its not much fun watching pavlich tear teams to pieces. Merritt will be a very good player, maybe we shouldnt have taken him at 12 but if we had of kept pick 28 (we traded for Blumfield) and picked him up there we could have secured key players for either end of the ground. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[Bentleigh]

dont want to go along and watch richmond spend 3 or 4 years on the bottom like the saints or Carlton. I want to see my team win games. Its a cop out to tank.

What have you been up to the last 25 years?

 

[Madtiger2006]

What have you been up to the last 25 years?

he's been supporting the tiges like most of us in here. People like you telling us to rebuild should be shot Bentleigh

 

[deliberate!!]

he's been supporting the tiges like most of us in here. People like you telling us to rebuild should be shot Bentleigh

You can't shoot Bentleigh...

When he's got his 'Wonder Woman' suit on, nothing can harm him!

 

[Madtiger2006]

You can't shoot Bentleigh...

When he's got his 'Wonder Woman' suit on, nothing can harm him!

that's what she thinks

 

[Madtiger2006]

Nice outfit Bentleigh you pansy

 

[Rayzorwire]

Hopefully McGuane and Moore can develop in a better environment than most of our defenders have over recent years/decades - it really does help to not be an apprentice defender in a side with the worst or close to the worst midfield in the league, which also turns the ball over way too often (hopefully with time we will gradually get better in these areas).

As for KP's, we really do have a little up our sleeve to trade for one in future years if absolutely necessary - the eventual retirement of Richardson, Brown and Johnson frees up a fair bit of salary cap room which certainly won't all be eaten up by increased payments to those who are currently 1-3 years into the system.

I'm sure Wallace and Miller rated Meyer so highly because they see him as a Brown replacement (the jury is well and truly still out on that), and by the time Johnson retires I doubt he'll leave much of a hole - he'll be replaced by a player on less money who is equally capable.

Ideally, we already have the makings of a 7-8 year spine at the club with Schulz, Reiwoldt, Hughes and Polak and can build on that further in the next draft or two...but it's not the end of the world if we're caught short in one or two KP positions a few years down the track...by that time we should be a club definitely going places which is an attractive option and has the necessary dollars to spare.

 

[sante]

I know there is a thread on this from last week - but I'll make another based on Round 2. Both impressed me alot and Igave me hope of each being a future good KP defensive option.

I didn't see alot of Moore but he keeped O'Keefe (great footballer) quite which is a top effort. He seems to have (finally) got abit of muscle, making him a pretty impressive unit not with his hight/speed.

McGaune was great I thought. Quailty unit. Look natural down back.

it not I
kept not keeped
quiet not quite
height not hight
McGuane not McGaune
Looked not Look

 

[Calcium Man]

What have you been up to the last 25 years?

Bentleigh you seem to think you understand the system completely. You think building a squad is all about no.1 draft picks. Its not. 3 or 4 years taking 1 of the top kids in the country gives you 3 players. You need 22 win games.

Who's list would you rather West Coast or Saint Kilda?? Cos the Saints are the predecessor to your plan. What about Sydney?? Where are these two teams top draft picks?? Im pretty much stuck at Judd.

 

[marco polo]

it not I
kept not keeped
quiet not quite
height not hight
McGuane not McGaune
Looked not Look

dont forget 'a lot' instead of 'alot'

 

[santa claws]

Bentleigh you seem to think you understand the system completely. You think building a squad is all about no.1 draft picks. Its not. 3 or 4 years taking 1 of the top kids in the country gives you 3 players. You need 22 win games.

Who's list would you rather West Coast or Saint Kilda?? Cos the Saints are the predecessor to your plan. What about Sydney?? Where are these two teams top draft picks?? Im pretty much stuck at Judd.

a pretty narrow perspective there. most clubs would be lucky to have a couple of no1 picks on their lists. a fairer perspective would be
how many early to mid selections do wce sydney have on their list.

well wce have 27 players taken in either the 1st 2nd 3rd round of the nd or were taken early as compensation picks. they also have 8 players taken thru their rookie system all of them home grown.
sydney have taken 21 players in the 1st 2nd or 3rd rounds and also have 8 rookies promoted.
stkilda like wce have 26 players taken in the first 3 rounds they have just one player come thru the rookie list.the saints probably have more first round selections but sydney and wce have a massive advantage over everyone else when it comes to useing the rookie system. sydney because of numbers and wce because of isolation.

 

[Calcium Man]

well wce have 27 players taken in either the 1st 2nd 3rd round of the nd or were taken early as compensation picks. they also have 8 players taken thru their rookie system all of them home grown.
sydney have taken 21 players in the 1st 2nd or 3rd rounds and also have 8 rookies promoted.
stkilda like wce have 26 players taken in the first 3 rounds they have just one player come thru the rookie list.the saints probably have more first round selections but sydney and wce have a massive advantage over everyone else when it comes to useing the rookie system. sydney because of numbers and wce because of isolation.

Well you probably explained it better then i did, but that was the point i was trying to get at was that 3 or 4 really early draft picks wont give you a premiership team. Its about good recruiting futher into the draft.

 

[Weaver]

Well you probably explained it better then i did, but that was the point i was trying to get at was that 3 or 4 really early draft picks wont give you a premiership team. Its about good recruiting futher into the draft.

I think it goes further and we need to draft smarter.

When an elite KP prospect is available he is normally worth taking top-3. After that the guy taken at 5 and the guy taken on the rookie list are about as equally likely to make the grade.

For a couple of years the Eagles 'forced' early picks on KP types. Then they twigged. Used the early picks on midfielders. Take KP types late.

Moore, Thursfield, Graham and McGuane are good examples. They are as likely to make the grade as Hughes, Schulz or Reiwoldt.

If you can get White, Fraser, Reiwoldt, Kennedy, Gumbleton etc early then grab them. But if you miss out go midfield - the returns are much, much greater.

Get your KP prospects by recruiting in bulk late and on the rookie list.

Last grand final both the Swans and Eagles had one 1st round KP player each.

More than half the ruckmen in the league are off the rookie list. If you can get Leuenberger top-3 then do it. If you can't don't force a pick on Pattison - go to the rookie list.

 

[Bentleigh]

he's been supporting the tiges like most of us in here. People like you telling us to rebuild should be shot Bentleigh

Yes.. rebuilding is a horribile idea isn't it?

Lets keep playing Gaspars and Tivendales and drafting Kinsleys and Howats.

 

[nut]

McGaune was great I thought. Quailty unit. Look natural down back.

and then the back flip.......

 

[sante]

No wonder he changed his username

 

[nut]

No wonder he changed his username

haha... yep.

now he just ends everything with "happy to be proven wrong"