MotorRacing help - GRANDPRIX .. TAB USERS PLEASE LOOK.

[adii_7]

Hey guys, had abit of a bet on hamilton last night.. he didnt finish the race. do i get money back or do i not?

10.1.6 Motor Racing
10.1.6.1 In the case of individual races, in accordance with Rules 9.7 herein, results will be determined based on the initial declaration of the official result of the race by the relevant recognised governing body. The result will not be affected by any subsequent protests, processes or amendments to placing.

10.1.6.2 In the case of championships, in accordance with Rule 9.7 herein, results will be determined based on the official points standing upon the initial declaration of the official result by the relevant recognised governing body of the final event for championship purposes. The championship result will not be affected by any subsequent protests, processes or amendments to placing.

10.1.6.3 In the case of individual races where the drivers for individual cars are not known 48 hours prior to the scheduled commencement time of the race, betting will be conducted on the winning car rather than the winning driver.

10.1.6.4 In the case of “head-to-head” betting between two cars or two drivers, if either of the relevant cars or drivers fail to finish, the successful outcome will be determined in accordance with which car or driver completes the most laps. In the event that both cars or drivers are credited with completing the same number of laps dead heat rules apply.

 

[Poker_Star]

Hey guys, had abit of a bet on hamilton last night.. he didnt finish the race. do i get money back or do i not?

10.1.6 Motor Racing
10.1.6.1 In the case of individual races, in accordance with Rules 9.7 herein, results will be determined based on the initial declaration of the official result of the race by the relevant recognised governing body. The result will not be affected by any subsequent protests, processes or amendments to placing.

10.1.6.2 In the case of championships, in accordance with Rule 9.7 herein, results will be determined based on the official points standing upon the initial declaration of the official result by the relevant recognised governing body of the final event for championship purposes. The championship result will not be affected by any subsequent protests, processes or amendments to placing.

10.1.6.3 In the case of individual races where the drivers for individual cars are not known 48 hours prior to the scheduled commencement time of the race, betting will be conducted on the winning car rather than the winning driver.

10.1.6.4 In the case of “head-to-head” betting between two cars or two drivers, if either of the relevant cars or drivers fail to finish, the successful outcome will be determined in accordance with which car or driver completes the most laps. In the event that both cars or drivers are credited with completing the same number of laps dead heat rules apply.

I would say not - if a horse doesn't finish a race because it breaks down, you get nothing. Scratchings are a different story because they don't start, but I can't see an argument for money back here

 

[adii_7]

I would say not - if a horse doesn't finish a race because it breaks down, you get nothing. Scratchings are a different story because they don't start, but I can't see an argument for money back here

when betting on the website it says based on over the line position..

hamilton didnt get over the line ..... he just didnt finish.

 

[mattys123]

As I understand it, even if a driver/car fails to finish the race, he is still classified as finishing in a certain position as long that car started the race.

For example, in some races, only 6-7 cars have finished in the past, yet the car that was the last to "DNF" in 8th spot still would have recieved championship points as it would have been classified as finishing in 8th position, even though technically it did not finish.

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/823/6699/

The official website shows Hamilton as finishing 2nd last, although it does put retired next to his name, he is still classified as finishing 19th, as he did start the race.

If you want clarification on this though, contact TabCorp, they will be able to tell you the legalities regarding "DNF's" in motor racing.

 

[adii_7]

As I understand it, even if a driver/car fails to finish the race, he is still classified as finishing in a certain position as long that car started the race.

For example, in some races, only 6-7 cars have finished in the past, yet the car that was the last to "DNF" in 8th spot still would have recieved championship points as it would have been classified as finishing in 8th position, even though technically it did not finish.

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/823/6699/

The official website shows Hamilton as finishing 2nd last, although it does put retired next to his name, he is still classified as finishing 19th, as he did start the race.

If you want clarification on this though, contact TabCorp, they will be able to tell you the legalities regarding "DNF's" in motor racing.

meh, thanks for that. just dulled my mood..

4 legged multi.. serena/hamilton/u2.5 (sporting game)/Melzer

anyone wanna know how much hamiltons going to cost me?

 

[2121]

why not throw it out there mate?
Haha thats why you never bet on motor racing, they're unreliable

 

[adii_7]

why not throw it out there mate?
Haha thats why you never bet on motor racing, they're unreliable

four digits off 3 digits

never the less im still praying it works when i take my ticket up to the tab later today .. PRAYING

 

[Oaksnaf]

Your ticket is a NON-WINNING ticket.

 

[adii_7]

Your ticket is a NON-WINNING ticket.

thanks oaks ;P

 

[Dazman]

Hey guys not related to motorsport but I have a question regarding TAB and you guys seem to know the ins and outs.

A mate of mine had a crack at the quaddie on Saturday (put the bet on Friday night), winning 3 of the 4 legs. In the Derby he had Shamoline Warrior and Rockferry. Shamoline Warrior got scratched. He gets a substitute. We thought: he had the favourite, it gets scratched, he should be given the next favourite (Monaco Consul) but thats not how it worked out.

Does anyone know how they work out the substitute?

 

[mattys123]

Hey guys not related to motorsport but I have a question regarding TAB and you guys seem to know the ins and outs.

A mate of mine had a crack at the quaddie on Saturday (put the bet on Friday night), winning 3 of the 4 legs. In the Derby he had Shamoline Warrior and Rockferry. Shamoline Warrior got scratched. He gets a substitute. We thought: he had the favourite, it gets scratched, he should be given the next favourite (Monaco Consul) but thats not how it worked out.

Does anyone know how they work out the substitute?

The substitute is usually pre selected very early in the day for each leg, so usually the horse that is favourite at the time of pre selection is given as the substitute.

In this case, Rockferry was the favourite on the tote in the morning, and Monaco Consul was backed into favouritism late, so I'd expect Rockferry would have been the substitute, and your friend would have got a small refund for only having one runner in the derby.

Not 100% sure, but that's how I've always seen the quaddies as working in regards to subs.

 

[Dazman]

The substitute is usually pre selected very early in the day for each leg, so usually the horse that is favourite at the time of pre selection is given as the substitute.

In this case, Rockferry was the favourite on the tote in the morning, and Monaco Consul was backed into favouritism late, so I'd expect Rockferry would have been the substitute, and your friend would have got a small refund for only having one runner in the derby.

Not 100% sure, but that's how I've always seen the quaddies as working in regards to subs.

He didn't get any refund, ticket was scanned and came up with nothing. I would have thought (and my mate would have hoped) if you already had the sub in your quaddie, it would go to the next favourite.

 

[Dazman]

found this on yahoo answers. Backs up what you said Mattys.

I've had the same or similar circumstances. 3 runners in 1 leg and 1 of those runners is the tote favorite. One of the other 2 horses is a late scratching but I still only get the favorite as the sub which in effect leaves me with just the 2 runners in that leg even though the initial investment was calculated for the 3 runners.

3x3x3x3 @ $40.50 = 50% return on investment
2x3x3x3 for a 50% return should only cost $ 27 thus giving me back $13.50 for the loss of 1 runner.

Because at the time of the bet placed all selections were deemed starters I can only have the 1 substitute runner regardless.There is no provisions for the loss of more than 1 runner.

It sucks I know. Oh well that's racing! Good luck over the spring carnival.

 

[Daniel138]

Hey guys not related to motorsport but I have a question regarding TAB and you guys seem to know the ins and outs.

A mate of mine had a crack at the quaddie on Saturday (put the bet on Friday night), winning 3 of the 4 legs. In the Derby he had Shamoline Warrior and Rockferry. Shamoline Warrior got scratched. He gets a substitute. We thought: he had the favourite, it gets scratched, he should be given the next favourite (Monaco Consul) but thats not how it worked out.

Does anyone know how they work out the substitute?

Rockferry was the favourite, and sub for the race (S-Tab), regardless of whether you had also selected Rockferry in the quad, he is still the sub....in your mates case, he would simply have 2 units on Rockferry (as his selection of Shamoline warrior is now substituted with Rockferry).....so ie, if he had the quad for 10%, would become 20%....if that makes sense

 

[standingroomonly]

The sub is the tote favourite at the close of betting