Game MPFL03 - Preliminary Final Results (Wk 3)

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Well, here we are. After 18 weeks of blood, sweat and tears, we are down to our MPFL03 Grand Final.

And the two teams that will be playing off for the 2003 MPFL Premiership Cup will be:

Richmond v Werribee

Who will win? Its a mouthwatering prospect, after all Richmond lost only 1 game for the season, and it was ironically against Werribee in Round 10, with the margin being just 10 points.

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First Preliminary Final:
Richmond 1174 defeated Chuck Swans 1158
Second Preliminary Final:
Werribee 1319 defeated Fremantle 1306

Top 20 Players - Week 3:
(Only 4 teams will be represented in this list):
James Hird (Fremantle) - 128
Jason Akermanis (Werribee) - 113
Kane Johnson (Werribee) - 113
Jude Bolton (Fremantle) - 112
Robert Harvey (Chuck Swans) - 107
Troy Cook (Chuck Swans) - 105
Scott West (Richmond) - 102
Roger James (Richmond) - 99
Andrew McKay (Richmond) - 99
Simon Beaumont (Fremantle) - 98
James McDonald (Fremantle) - 98
Chris Ladhams (Chuck Swans) - 97
Jess Sinclair (Chuck Swans) - 92
Anthony Koutoufides (Werribee) - 88
Scott Lucas (Chuck Swans) - 87
James Rahilly (Werribee) - 86
Ben Cousins (Werribee) - 84
Lenny Hayes (Richmond) - 84
Robert Murphy (Werribee) - 83
Joel Corey (Fremantle) - 82

Top 20 Players - Finals Series:
Troy Cook (Chuck Swans) - 290
Robert Harvey (Chuck Swans) - 278
Ben Cousins (Werribee) - 267
Chris Ladhams (Chuck Swans) - 262
Kane Johnson (Werribee) - 259
Anthony Koutoufides (Werribee) - 258
Daryn Cresswell (Chuck Swans) - 255
Robert Murphy (Werribee) - 238
James Hird (Fremantle) - 237
Jess Sinclair (Chuck Swans) - 228
Shane Woewodin (Werribee) - 223
Scott West (Richmond) - 212
Nathan Buckley (Fremantle) - 208
Matthew Scarlett (Geelong) - 199
James McDonald (Fremantle) - 198
Brady Rawlings (Chuck Swans) - 194
Gavin Wanganeen (Werribee) - 194
Jason Akermanis (Werribee) - 191
Jude Bolton (Fremantle) - 191
Ryan Hargrave (Werribee) - 191

Top 20 Players - Season:
Robert Harvey (Chuck Swans) - 1744
Scott West (Richmond) - 1697
Nathan Buckley (Fremantle) - 1695
Lenny Hayes (Richmond) - 1639
Troy Cook (Chuck Swans) - 1581
Gavin Wanganeen (Werribee) - 1507
Paul Hasleby (Team Red & Blue) - 1496
Ben Cousins (Werribee) - 1422
Shane Crawford (Team Red & Blue) - 1415
Adam Goodes (Geelong) - 1376
Cameron Ling (Richmond) - 1375
Brent Harvey (Fremantle) - 1372
Jude Bolton (Fremantle) - 1367
James McDonald (Fremantle) - 1363
Anthony Koutoufides (Werribee) - 1360
Kane Johnson (Werribee) - 1357
Chad Fletcher (Richmond) - 1344
Shane Woewodin (Werribee) - 1339
Mark Coughlan (Kangaroos) - 1315
Jason Johnson (Team Red & Blue) - 1306

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Top 20's:
Chuck Swans:
Robert Harvey 107
Troy Cook 105
Chris Ladhams 97
Jess Sinclair 92
Scott Lucas 87
Paul Williams 70
Brady Rawlings 69
Daryn Cresswell 65
Rowan Jones 64
Luke McPharlin 64
Tyson Stenglein 55
Shane Clayton 54
Luke Williams 54
John Baird 45
Kasey Green 43
Steven Greene 34
Matthew Primus 28
Simon Goodwin 25
Mark Alvey 0
Heath Black 0
Sub Total 1158
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GRAND TOTAL 1158

Fremantle:
James Hird 128
Jude Bolton 112
Simon Beaumont 98
James McDonald 98
Joel Corey 82
Dean Cox 75
Corey Enright 73
Brent Harvey 72
David Haynes 70
Nathan Buckley 68
Andrew Kellaway 60
Aaron Sandilands 51
Chris Scott 49
Matthew Burton 45
Justin Longmuir 42
Dion Woods 42
Byron Schammer 39
Robert Haddrill 36
Luke Livingston 36
Matthew Nicks 30
Sub Total 1306
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GRAND TOTAL 1306

Richmond:
Scott West 102
Roger James 99
Andrew McKay 99
Lenny Hayes 84
David Wojcinski 79
Mark Bickley 69
Cameron Ling 67
Aaron Fiora 63
David Wirrpunda 60
Matthew McCarthy 58
Daniel Kerr 51
Jared Rooke 44
Ashley Sampi 44
Matthew Lloyd 43
Leo Barry 41
Adrian Cox 38
Roger Hayden 38
Alan Didak 35
Matthew Bishop 33
Shaun Burgoyne 27
Sub Total 1174
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GRAND TOTAL 1174

Werribee:
Jason Akermanis 113
Kane Johnson 113
Anthony Koutoufides 88
James Rahilly 86
Ben Cousins 84
Robert Murphy 83
Ryan Hargrave 76
Shane Woewodin 73
Shaun Hart 71
Gavin Wanganeen 69
Jordan McMahon 68
Robert Copeland 58
Lindsay Gilbee 58
Joel Smith 49
Patrick Wiggins 48
Jared Poulton 44
Ben Dixon 42
Chris Newman 35
Brad Green 34
Duncan Kellaway 27
Sub Total 1319
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GRAND TOTAL 1319
 
**** you Grant Thomas you ****in ****!!!

What ****head would drop a gun like Heath Black, the same Heath Black who scored 100+ only 2 weeks ago?

Ah well now that Ive had my sook congrats to Richmond, superior side during the season and no doubt deserve to be in the GF.

I think what the 4 Preliminary final teams prooves is that if you finish around 7-12 in the previous year, then your going to be advantaged going into the next year with a decent enough list to carry over and a good draft position.

Chuck finished 9th last year, Werribee 8th, Freo 6th or 7th and Richmond 10th or 11th or pretty close to those.
 

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Originally posted by blueworms
Chuck finished 9th last year, Werribee 8th, Freo 6th or 7th and Richmond 10th or 11th or pretty close to those.
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Glebe finished 5th, but after the rescoring had a noticeably worse list.
 
Originally posted by Porthos
Glebe finished 5th, but after the rescoring had a noticeably worse list.
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Thats my point, Glebe was a top team in 2002, and dropped off this year. Same happened with Essendon, and Melbourne and TR&B to an extent. What Im trying to say is teams that finish near the top of the ladder arent getting the opportunity to retain their position in the next season. I think this is because the continued low position they had in each round of the draft. Theres obviously the odd exception, but the top 4 this year showed the middle teams are advantaged going into the following year. They get the opportunity for a decent draft position and carry over a decent list. The top teams carry over the best lists, but have crappy draft positions. The inverse with the bottom teams.

The emphasise from last years pre-season was on giving the bottom teams every chance to finish up the top in the following year, but I think as well as this we should be looking at giving the top teams every chance to keep their spot come the following year. None of the top 5 from last year finished in the top 4 this year.

I think as well as trying to give the bottom teams a chance to finish high the following year, we have to find a way to give the top teams a chance too. After all, all teams start the draft with the same amount of players (after the concessional picks). The top team has to wait for 15 picks each round for 22 rounds of the draft after the bottom team makes their selection. Somethings gotta change with the system IMO.
 
Easily fixed.

Sides can keep up to 5 of the players in their side that were among the top 160 players or lower (or take a priority pick like last year). They also can keep up to 5 that were in the middle 160 listed players or lower. They can keep up to 5 that were in the bottom 160 listed players.

Thats up to 15 players retained. Cuts down on drafting time, ensures a degree of evenness across the competition by grouping the players definitively into top/middle/bottom....ensuring that every club will have 5 in each bracket, or get a chance to have that many.

As for last year, Glebe jagged a lot of close wins (I think had the lowest `against' score) and got found out in the finals - then got diddled by certain players performing better post-MPFL season and the scoring system changed.
 
Originally posted by Porthos
Easily fixed.

Sides can keep up to 5 of the players in their side that were among the top 160 players or lower (or take a priority pick like last year). They also can keep up to 5 that were in the middle 160 listed players or lower. They can keep up to 5 that were in the bottom 160 listed players.

Thats up to 15 players retained. Cuts down on drafting time, ensures a degree of evenness across the competition by grouping the players definitively into top/middle/bottom....ensuring that every club will have 5 in each bracket, or get a chance to have that many.
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I think thats a really good idea actually, well what I can understand from it anyway. So your saying split the draft into 3 sections sort of? Take up to 5 from the top 160 in the league, and if you choose not to, or dont have 5 players in the 160 bracket, you get priority picks like last year? Same goes for 161- 320 and 321-480?

So we would have a draft exactly half the size of last year, plus all the priority picks. Have I understood this correctly, mate?

It would obviously be better than keeping 5 from every 10, as it ensures all teams are on an equal playing field, hence no advantage/disadvantage for anyone, but the bottom teams still get the chance to have the first picks of every round, which is fair.
 
Both ideas sound good, so give me 48 hours and I'll post the complete totals (until now) and we'll see which idea works out the best.

And with regards to Essendon, the 5 top players I delisted from 2002 were:
- Paul Licuria
- Scott Burns
- Justin Blumfield
- David Clarke, and
- Blake Caracella (out of protest)

and retained:

- Adem Yze
- Joel Bowden
- Matthew Pavlich
- Chris Judd and
- Daniel Bandy:mad:

and I drafted players like Milne, Mooney, Kingsley, O'Loughlin, Vardy etc etc etc. My downfall was by not drafting the right players. I personally reckon the earlier system was not bad, but if you don't have a decent coach you can't help being in the bottom 8 come end of year.
 
I like the original system better.

I thought my drafting was good, but I was stiffed with injuries and one of the highest 'against' scores in the comp. My players are only starting to play well now Darcy, Eagleton, Dal Santo... :mad:

Porthos' system will disadvantage sides like Melbourne who don't have the superstars that other sides do but have good depth. Last season I was probably disadvantaged by keeping Matthew Bode, Andrew Thompson, David King, Warren Tredrea and Nick Stevens in the top 5 but it was somewhat evened out by being able to also keep Whitnall, Misiti and Aussie Jones from outside my top 10.
 
Originally posted by mongrelpunt
Both ideas sound good, so give me 48 hours and I'll post the complete totals (until now)
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If we're going to use the original system the player totals should be totalled as at the end of that sides final game, otherwise the contribution of players who only started playing well recently will be overvalued.
 
Originally posted by Broadbridge_20
Porthos' system will disadvantage sides like Melbourne who don't have the superstars that other sides do but have good depth.
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I fail to see how. You get to keep more of your depth players than previously.
 

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Originally posted by Deestroy
Not if all his top players are ranked in the 160-320 zone, which he could only pick 5 from. Don't like that idea at all.
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In fact you can pick up to ten of them if you don't want to pick from the 1-160 zone.
 
Originally posted by Broadbridge_20
If we're going to use the original system the player totals should be totalled as at the end of that sides final game, otherwise the contribution of players who only started playing well recently will be overvalued.
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I'm just using the current total points just as an experiment.

Take just 1 side - the top side Richmond:

1st - Scott West - 1795 (1st)
2nd - Lenny Hayes - 1720 (4th)
3rd - Cameron Ling - 1477 (18th)
4th - Chad Fletcher - 1344 (42nd)
5th - Mark Bickley - 1301 (47th)
6th - Daniel Kerr - 1136 (76th)
7th - Roger James - 1119 (83rd)
8th - Matthew Lloyd - 1119 (84th)
9th - Leo Barry - 1006 (115th)
10th - Andrew McKay - 986 (123rd)
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11th - Peter Riccardi - 943 (140th)
12th - Shaun Burgoyne - 931 (143rd)
13th - David Wirrpunda - 925 (145th)
14th - Roger Hayden - 866 (158th)
15th - Peter Everitt - 826 (172nd)
16th - Jared Rooke - 771 (191st)
17th - Ashley Sampi - 771 (192nd)
18th - Matthew Bishop - 753 (200th)
19th - Alan Didak - 722 (214th)
20th - Aaron Fiora - 715 (218th)
21st - David Wojcinski - 583 (270th)
22nd - Chance Bateman - 536 (291st)
23rd - Rory Hilton - 464 (319th)
24th - Adrian Cox - 393 (342nd)
25th - Martin Mattner - 315 (370th)
26th - Scott Welsh - 313 (373rd)
27th - Rowan Warfe - 271 (386th)
28th - Matthew McCarthy - 265 (393rd)
29th - Cory McGrath - 234 (411th)
30th - Brent Reilly - 120 (461st)

Under the original system (for arguments sake) you would take the top players you can. So Richmond would retain Scott West, Lenny Hayes, Cameron Ling, Chad Fletcher and Mark Bickley from the top 10, and Peter Riccardi, Shaun Burgoyne and David Wirrpunda.

Under the proposed system (5 from each 160), you would take the same 5 (West, Hayes, Ling, Fletcher and Bickley), but then your next 5 would be Peter Everitt, Jarad Rooke, Ashley Sampi, Matthew Bishop and Alan Didak, and your bottom 5 would be Adrian Cox, Martin Mattner, Scott Welsh, Rowan Warfe and Matthew McCarthy.

I'm not drawing any conclusions here, but its just an example of what would happen. Maybe we could extend the 3 from the bottom 20 idea, just to cut down on the drafting length.

If anyone wants to know their teams points to get a better opinion on the idea, just let me know and I'll help.
 
Originally posted by Deestroy
So what if you have 15 or so players in the top 160 and next to none in 160-320? Bad luck?
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Yeah. If you have 15 or so players in the top 160, then quite clearly if every club is going to have a halfway decent chance next year that number actually needs to be pared down a fair bit. No? You're still getting your own choice of the players you keep, which is still a big advantage.

Every system is going to bugger someone up a bit. I know that the top 5 system did for me last year, as I had a bunch of players hovering around the league average 4th-8th best player mark, and only one before the 3rd. Such is life.
 
Originally posted by mongrelpunt
I'm just using the current total points just as an experiment.

Take just 1 side - the top side Richmond:

1st - Scott West - 1795 (1st)
2nd - Lenny Hayes - 1720 (4th)
3rd - Cameron Ling - 1477 (18th)
4th - Chad Fletcher - 1344 (42nd)
5th - Mark Bickley - 1301 (47th)
6th - Daniel Kerr - 1136 (76th)
7th - Roger James - 1119 (83rd)
8th - Matthew Lloyd - 1119 (84th)
9th - Leo Barry - 1006 (115th)
10th - Andrew McKay - 986 (123rd)
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11th - Peter Riccardi - 943 (140th)
12th - Shaun Burgoyne - 931 (143rd)
13th - David Wirrpunda - 925 (145th)
14th - Roger Hayden - 866 (158th)
15th - Peter Everitt - 826 (172nd)
16th - Jared Rooke - 771 (191st)
17th - Ashley Sampi - 771 (192nd)
18th - Matthew Bishop - 753 (200th)
19th - Alan Didak - 722 (214th)
20th - Aaron Fiora - 715 (218th)
21st - David Wojcinski - 583 (270th)
22nd - Chance Bateman - 536 (291st)
23rd - Rory Hilton - 464 (319th)
24th - Adrian Cox - 393 (342nd)
25th - Martin Mattner - 315 (370th)
26th - Scott Welsh - 313 (373rd)
27th - Rowan Warfe - 271 (386th)
28th - Matthew McCarthy - 265 (393rd)
29th - Cory McGrath - 234 (411th)
30th - Brent Reilly - 120 (461st)

Under the original system (for arguments sake) you would take the top players you can. So Richmond would retain Scott West, Lenny Hayes, Cameron Ling, Chad Fletcher and Mark Bickley from the top 10, and Peter Riccardi, Shaun Burgoyne and David Wirrpunda.

Under the proposed system (5 from each 160), you would take the same 5 (West, Hayes, Ling, Fletcher and Bickley), but then your next 5 would be Peter Everitt, Jarad Rooke, Ashley Sampi, Matthew Bishop and Alan Didak, and your bottom 5 would be Adrian Cox, Martin Mattner, Scott Welsh, Rowan Warfe and Matthew McCarthy.

I'm not drawing any conclusions here, but its just an example of what would happen. Maybe we could extend the 3 from the bottom 20 idea, just to cut down on the drafting length.

If anyone wants to know their teams points to get a better opinion on the idea, just let me know and I'll help.
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I reckon thats pretty fair myself, in regards to players taken and the quality left over. Would like to see examples of a squad from a middle team (8th or 9th) and the bottoms team squad to give a truer example.
 
Here's the Bulldogs (10th), Melbourne (9th) and Fitzroy (13th). If you were coach, you choose who you would take under both ideas:

Bulldogs:
1st - Peter Bell - 1691 (5th)
2nd - Brad Johnson - 1602 (6th)
3rd - Anthony Stevens - 1377 (31st)
4th - Nick Riewoldt - 1355 (37th)
5th - Brad Scott - 1244 (55th)
6th - Graham John**** - 1131 (79th)
7th - Daniel Giansiracusa - 1051 (99th)
8th - Simon Garlick - 998 (117th)
9th - Justin Murphy - 920 (146th)
10th - Adam Schneider - 866 (159th)
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11th - Darren Milburn - 858 (162nd)
12th - Craig Bolton - 825 (173rd)
13th - Nigel Smart - 642 (245th)
14th - Mark Mercuri - 639 (246th)
15th - Leigh Brown - 634 (248th)
16th - Mal Michael - 630 (251st)
17th - Justin Koschitzke - 554 (283rd)
18th - Brett Voss - 532 (294th)
19th - Ronnie Burns - 522 (300th)
20th - Sam Power - 475 (313th)
21st - Tim Clarke - 377 (349th)
22nd - Robert Campbell - 365 (355th)
23rd - Scott Bassett - 257 (398th)
24th - Aaron Lord - 241 (409th)
25th - Kane Munro - 182 (431st)
26th - Daniel McPherson - 147 (446th)
27th - Daniel Cross - 141 (447th)
28th - Kingsley Hunter - 45 (500th)
29th - Callum Chambers - 0 (548th)
30th - Paul Koulouriotis - 0 (598th)

Melbourne:
1st - Luke Darcy - 1511 (14th)
2nd - Angelo Lekkas - 1397 (30th)
3rd - Tyson Edwards - 1354 (38th)
4th - David King. - 1162 (68th)
5th - Cameron Bruce - 1132 (77th)
6th - Austinn Jones - 1080 (94th)
7th - Chris Heffernan - 1078 (95th)
8th - Matthew Whelan - 1010 (111th)
9th - Brendan Fevola - 994 (118th)
10th - Simon Godfrey - 963 (132nd)
11th - Joe Misiti - 895 (151st)
12th - Andrew Williams - 856 (163rd)
13th - Leon Cameron - 838 (169th)
14th - Jason Torney - 817 (177th)
15th - Nathan Eagleton - 784 (189th)
16th - Lance Whitnall - 732 (207th)
17th - Adrian Hickmott - 702 (223rd)
18th - Leigh Harding - 693 (226th)
19th - Matthew Bode - 691 (228th)
20th - Brendon Lade - 690 (229th)
21st - Matthew Clarke - 671 (240th)
22nd - Peter Walsh - 592 (264th)
23rd - Mark Porter - 559 (279th)
24th - Nick Dal Santo - 279 (382nd)
25th - Justin Blumfield - 267 (389th)
26th - Damien Adkins - 219 (418th)
27th - Gary Moorcroft - 98 (467th)
28th - Jason Lay**** - 0 (599th)
29th - Jarrad McVeigh - 0 (612th)
30th - Aaron Rogers - 0 (640th)

Fitzroy:
1st - Mark Ricciuto - 1560 (9th)
2nd - Luke Power - 1519 (12th)
3rd - Paul Licuria - 1369 (32nd)
4th - Troy Simmonds - 1148 (73rd)
5th - Stuart Maxfield - 1011 (110th)
6th - Daniel Ward - 976 (130th)
7th - Ryan Houlihan - 955 (135th)
8th - Brett Burton - 880 (154th)
9th - Jamie Charman - 851 (165th)
10th - Daniel Chick - 748 (202nd)
11th - Daniel Bradshaw - 732 (206th)
12th - Wayne Campbell - 674 (238th)
13th - Blake Caracella - 667 (241st)
14th - Jonathan Brown - 590 (266th)
15th - Aaron Shattock - 568 (276th)
16th - Darryl White - 542 (289th)
17th - Matthew Maguire - 508 (304th)
18th - Ashley McGrath - 493 (310th)
19th - Adam Kingsley - 471 (315th)
20th - Guy Rigoni - 383 (347th)
21st - Beau McDonald - 333 (362nd)
22nd - Brett Moyle - 321 (369th)
23rd - Michael Wilson - 273 (384th)
24th - Michael Doughty - 268 (388th)
25th - Phillip Read - 266 (392nd)
26th - Mark Williams - 180 (433rd)
27th - Clark Keating - 161 (442nd)
28th - Cameron Faulkner - 0 (572nd)
29th - Richard Hadley - 0 (582nd)
30th - David Sierakowski - 0 (653rd)

This is just to test the proposals.
 
Just looking at that, Porthos suggestion could work. It definitely evens the sides out a little more and opens the door to 'drafting for the future'.

Biggest downside is that the draft will lose a lot of its quality after the first section. Sides will be retaining anything half good and the draft will suffer. I picked up Fevola, Godfrey and Eagleton in the final 5 rounds of the draft this season. Players like that won't be available under the proposed system.
 
Looks good I reckon. B20s right though in concern with quality with the draft. Depends on how many players people retain I guess. I'd like to know if you were keep 4 or less players from the 2nd or 3rd section, and get concessional picks, would the player selected be more/less/the same in value as the player you would have retained.

If we used this idea I think a trade period would work really well, as you'd be able to trade players from the original entire list of 30, then just cut it back after trading.
 
Just to give a better indication, I'll post who I would keep if I was coach of these sides.

Richmond:
1st - Scott West - 1795 (1st)
2nd - Lenny Hayes - 1720 (4th)
3rd - Cameron Ling - 1477 (18th)
4th - Chad Fletcher - 1344 (42nd)
6th - Daniel Kerr - 1136 (76th)
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15th - Peter Everitt - 826 (172nd)
16th - Jared Rooke - 771 (191st)
17th - Ashley Sampi - 771 (192nd)
19th - Alan Didak - 722 (214th)
# CONSESSIONAL PICK
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26th - Scott Welsh - 313 (373rd)
30th - Brent Reilly - 120 (461st)
# CONSESSIONAL PICK
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Bulldogs:
1st - Peter Bell - 1691 (5th)
2nd - Brad Johnson - 1602 (6th)
3rd - Anthony Stevens - 1377 (31st)
4th - Nick Riewoldt - 1355 (37th)
# CONSESSIONAL PICK
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12th - Craig Bolton - 825 (173rd)
14th - Mark Mercuri - 639 (246th)
15th - Leigh Brown - 634 (248th)
17th - Justin Koschitzke - 554 (283rd)
20th - Sam Power - 475 (313th)
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# CONSESSIONAL PICK
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Melbourne:
1st - Luke Darcy - 1511 (14th)
2nd - Angelo Lekkas - 1397 (30th)
3rd - Tyson Edwards - 1354 (38th)
5th - Cameron Bruce - 1132 (77th)
# CONSESSIONAL PICK
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14th - Jason Torney - 817 (177th)
15th - Nathan Eagleton - 784 (189th)
16th - Lance Whitnall - 732 (207th)
18th - Leigh Harding - 693 (226th)
19th - Matthew Bode - 691 (228th)
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24th - Nick Dal Santo - 279 (382nd)
25th - Justin Blumfield - 267 (389th)
26th - Damien Adkins - 219 (418th)
28th - Jason Lay**** - 0 (599th)
29th - Jarrad McVeigh - 0 (612th)

Fitzroy:
1st - Mark Ricciuto - 1560 (9th)
2nd - Luke Power - 1519 (12th)
3rd - Paul Licuria - 1369 (32nd)
4th - Troy Simmonds - 1148 (73rd)
8th - Brett Burton - 880 (154th)
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10th - Daniel Chick - 748 (202nd)
12th - Wayne Campbell - 674 (238th)
13th - Blake Caracella - 667 (241st)
14th - Jonathan Brown - 590 (266th)
17th - Matthew Maguire - 508 (304th)
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24th - Michael Doughty - 268 (388th)
# CONSESSIONAL PICK
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If anything thats too fair. Richmond had their first 14 players in the top 160, and was forced to leave guys like Wirrpunda, Lloyd and McKay out. Having last or 2nd last pick in the draft for 15 rounds is going to see them drop considerably. Thats easily solved by altering the draft order though. And as well as that it evens up the competition and puts more quality in the draft. Other than that it seems perfectly fair, with still enough quality in the draft.
 
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