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Why has it become "taboo" to say that america is somehow responsible for bringing the attacks on itself. Suddenly if you say that, everyone thinks that youre someone condoning it. The media in particularly is guilty of this. It seems the US is trying to discredit people saying anything of americas past actions that contributed to these events. Its become like the israel/semmite thing. If you say "Israel did the wrong thing in whatever" youre immediately an anti semmite. America is partly responsible for these attacks "youre a terrorist and condene these attacks".

To say that America didnt contribute to these attacks is a ridiculous statement. Their intentional foreign policy of degrading other societies so it is possible for them to exploit them is the MAIN factor to this.
This doesnt mean that those terrorists werent nuts.
It doesnt mean that its all americas fault.
It doesnt mean they deserved it.
It doesnt mean that innocent people deserved to die.
Nor does it mean that i am a terroirst supporter.
It means that people dont say "Americans are such good people, lets ram planes into thier buildings". If such action is taken, then its usually because people have a really big Grudge. Grudges that cause people to do that MUST have some basis somewhere.


It seems that the media and the US is doing all that it can to detract from the fact that it has any responsibility to this. And thus hide the nature of this responsibility. Surely if it had nothing to hide it would willingly fight back wtih reasoned logical arguments. Why is mundine being punished, what he said is true?
The parts of his argument that were stupid and wrong, which said that someonhow its the "islamic" way of life havent been mentioned, only that "america brought it upon itself".

I am simply curious as to what the perspective of people that respond in this manner is.
 
What did 5000+ office workers,plane travellers, firemen and tourists ever do to the Terrorists to cause them to hold a grudge?

Similarly postal workers doing their work sorting mail!

If Mundine was an American living in Afganistan and practiced freedom of speech by saying the Taliban had brought it on themselves.....he would have been executed!
 
Originally posted by Powder Keg
What did 5000+ office workers,plane travellers, firemen and tourists ever do to the Terrorists to cause them to hold a grudge?
What did Afghanistan and its people do to the US to cause them to bomb the crap out of their country? How can they help it if there's terrorists there?

Similarly postal workers doing their work sorting mail!
I seem to recall stories of a US postal worker going nuts and shooting a bunch of people. Because of that, all postal workers are branded....they deserve whatever they get.

Now swap the term `US postal worker' for `Afghanistani' and its what you're agreeing to.

If Mundine was an American living in Afganistan and practiced freedom of speech by saying the Taliban had brought it on themselves.....he would have been executed!

To be fair, I wouldn't want to be an Afghanistani in the US saying the US brought it on themselves either.....they have lots of guns there, you know.

So whats your point?
 
A lot of Americas foreign policies towards other nations suck. Also, America has been involved with resolving the problems with Israel and Palestine and have acheived nothing yet.

I know that people in the buildings in America were innocent and i feel sorrow and sympathy for their families, but seeing the children and people of both Palestine and Afghanistan also hurts.
 

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Originally posted by Porthos

What did Afghanistan and its people do to the US to cause them to bomb the crap out of their country? How can they help it if there's terrorists there?


I seem to recall stories of a US postal worker going nuts and shooting a bunch of people. Because of that, all postal workers are branded....they deserve whatever they get.

Now swap the term `US postal worker' for `Afghanistani' and its what you're agreeing to.



To be fair, I wouldn't want to be an Afghanistani in the US saying the US brought it on themselves either.....they have lots of guns there, you know.

So whats your point?


The point is if you love Afganistanis so much why are you living in Australia.
We are at war with them you know?
 
Originally posted by Powder Keg


The point is if you love Afganistanis so much why are you living in Australia.
We are at war with them you know?
Thats not a very good comeback... everyones entitled to their opinion, maybe you should see whats happening in Afghanistan before you make comments like that

and yes, i have seen what happened in America
 
Ive seen whats happening in Afganistan!

Its not all Taliban.

Currently there are 2 Australian missionaries on trial for having the front to say that there is an alternative to the muslim religion.....Christianity.

They will probably be executed!

YEH everyone is entitled to their opinion but only in America,Australia,England ,Canada etc ..certainly not in countries like Afghanistan.
 
Originally posted by Powder Keg
YEH everyone is entitled to their opinion but only in America,Australia,England ,Canada etc ..certainly not in countries like Afghanistan.

Mmmmm, yes....as I recall, the US has loved communists for such a long time.
 
Originally posted by Powder Keg
Ive seen whats happening in Afganistan!

Its not all Taliban.

Currently there are 2 Australian missionaries on trial for having the front to say that there is an alternative to the muslim religion.....Christianity.

They will probably be executed!

Incidentally, Afghanistan wouldn't be the only nation in the world to be doing this.....prior to the US being attacked, the Western world was quite content for this state of affairs to continue, so don't try and claim that its the reason why they're bombing.

I really don't see how bombing a country for something that a few people in it have done is going to change their legal systems....perhaps you can explain? Maybe the US have special bombs for bringing in social reforms?
 
Originally posted by Powder Keg
Currently there are 2 Australian missionaries on trial for having the front to say that there is an alternative to the muslim religion.....Christianity.

They will probably be executed!

They were just plain stupid...

It is well known what the penalty for preaching christianity in Afghanistan is, execution. So what do they do under the cover of aid workers? Go and preach christianity. Their own fault, they made the decision, they face the consequences, just like you and me in our everyday world in Australia.

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The disgusting cowardly act of September 11, has never been claimed by the body who conducted it and to say it was deserved will never be accepted amongst innocent civilians who were just going to work and were unaware that it was coming.

Makes you appreciate that we have forums like this to express our freedom of speech without having to pay with our lives.

We live in the greatest Country in the World - Australia
 
Agreed, and seeing in the news of those 18 people who were slaughtered in Pakistan for simply being in a christian church service, makes you appreciate the fact that ah_19, AlfAndrews etc, Anthony Mundine etc, can have views that are considered to be different to the majority of people here and in society, and still have the right to air thier grievences at public forums like this website.

It is good that we can give the right for Anthony Mundine to make a goose of himself as often as he likes.
 
Originally posted by BrisGirl
The disgusting cowardly act of September 11

Yeah, just a personal gripe here......I wouldn't say that it was cowardly. Out of order, yes. Cruel, yes. Uncaring, yes.

But cowardly? These guys died to do this....I know I wouldn't be able to do that.....they have some serious cojones, in my opinion, to be dedicated enough to give up their lives for something they believe.

Cowardly is the wrong word. Just because you don't like something, it doesn't mean its cowardly. Attacking someone when you know you're going to die isn't cowardly. Sitting back and shooting the crap out of them is with no consequences is.
 

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