Murray Newman

[Spooky17]

Murray should have Masto in his defense, so he can train the court down

 

[Chris_6678]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-06/eagles-fall-behind-newman

Some very good insight into his situation and also talks about his walkout from earlier in the year.

Also happy to hear he is making good progress in training.

 

[Avalor]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-06/eagles-fall-behind-newman

Some very good insight into his situation and also talks about his walkout from earlier in the year.

Also happy to hear he is making good progress in training.

Yes, it was a good read. Good on the kid. I sincerely hope he's free to play this year / could be a bit of a wild card for us later in the year - he has got talent.

 

[eagles_4_life]

Ted what makes you think he will get jail time ?
My old man is a prison officer in charge of the gate at Casurina and Haika remand prison, he has said to me it would be very very
unusual for a first time offender to get jail time these days. especially with GBH charge on the lower end of the scale.
That being the broken jaw the victim received, GBH is usually reserved for much more serious injuries received, there
would even a case for the defence lawyer to challenge the magistrate about down grading the charge to assault.

From what I heard he isn't a first timer, didn't tell his lawyers about previous indiscretions when they found out told him he will probably receive jail time which is what lead to him leaving the wafl game

 

[Prem87]

From what I heard he isn't a first timer, didn't tell his lawyers about previous indiscretions when they found out told him he will probably receive jail time which is what lead to him leaving the wafl game

Wow. He needs some damn good lawyers if that's the case.

 

[Keys]

From what I heard he isn't a first timer, didn't tell his lawyers about previous indiscretions when they found out told him he will probably receive jail time which is what lead to him leaving the wafl game

The lawyers here will be able to help out but I was of the understanding any charges as a minor didnt flow through to sentencing as an adult. Newman was only 18 years and 6 days when drafted so there's no way it wouldn't be known if he had indiscretions as an adult - any previous indiscretions then would be as a minor and wouldn't count when looking at this charge

Unless my understanding s wrong of course

 

[eagles_4_life]

The lawyers here will be able to help out but I was of the understanding any charges as a minor didnt flow through to sentencing as an adult. Newman was only 18 years and 6 days when drafted so there's no way it wouldn't be known if he had indiscretions as an adult - any previous indiscretions then would be as a minor and wouldn't count when looking at this charge

Unless my understanding s wrong of course

No idea but doesn't it depend on what you did as I'm sure there have been instances of minors being charged as an adult? Also not saying he will do jail time just putting forward the info I have been told looks to be having a decent preseason and hopefully he can show what he can do at afl

 

[larrikin]

No idea but doesn't it depend on what you did as I'm sure there have been instances of minors being charged as an adult? Also not saying he will do jail time just putting forward the info I have been told looks to be having a decent preseason and hopefully he can show what he can do at afl

If he was a minor who'd been charged as an adult for something pretty serious
a) everyone would've known about it and
b) we wouldn't have drafted him

 

[eagles_4_life]

If he was a minor who'd been charged as an adult for something pretty serious
a) everyone would've known about it and
b) we wouldn't have drafted him

Was more in relation to keyser about the sentencing of a minor I am aware of the fact that if he had been charged as an adult when a minor would think it would have been all over the afl when drafted was in no way saying that was what happened

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

From what I heard he isn't a first timer, didn't tell his lawyers about previous indiscretions when they found out told him he will probably receive jail time which is what lead to him leaving the wafl game

Murray Newman has no past record at all., apart from this charge.
Be that a junior criminal record or a adult record.
I have had that confirmed, so i dont know where you got that information from it is totally wrong.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Look I feel sorry for Newman because hes just made a terrible mistake and I know he is trying to get his life back together. However, I am a true believe in justice and if it turns out that he is guilty of this charge and it is serious enough to force the clubs hand then so be it.

 

[eagles_4_life]

Murray Newman has no past record at all., apart from this charge.
Be that a junior criminal record or a adult record.
I have had that confirmed, so i dont know where you got that information from it is totally wrong.

Not sure if that is true since he is up for gbh? My brother played with him at swans colts still friends with him and others it's what I heard thought it interesting enough to post here how truthful it is no idea

 

[the harry]

Not sure if that is true since he is up for gbh? My brother played with him at swans colts still friends with him and others it's what I heard thought it interesting enough to post here how truthful it is no idea

Previous convictions/charges have no impact on future charges, merely the punishment attributed if found guilty of said future charge.

He's on gbh charges because it's alleged he broke a guys face in a violent, unspontaneous attack, not any previous behaviour.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Not sure if that is true since he is up for gbh? My brother played with him at swans colts still friends with him and others it's what I heard thought it interesting enough to post here how truthful it is no idea

Under the prison act of western australia prison officer in charge of the gate at the prison, has all access to the criminal records
of anyone before the court on charges, this includes sealed records, this is so the officer can make a determination if the person is convicted
and sent to jail they know what they are dealing with (ie threat) and where they would be placed in the prison.

 

[IceNine]

The lawyers here will be able to help out but I was of the understanding any charges as a minor didnt flow through to sentencing as an adult. Newman was only 18 years and 6 days when drafted so there's no way it wouldn't be known if he had indiscretions as an adult - any previous indiscretions then would be as a minor and wouldn't count when looking at this charge

Unless my understanding is wrong of course

Your understanding is correct from my uncomfortably personal experience. I have a sister with a taste for the 'misunderstood' boys.

As far as I'm concerned, I find it hard to believe that we would have re-signed him even as a rookie if our legal team didn't believe he had a chance for at least a lenient ruling. As such I'm quietly confident he'll play in eagles colours in the future.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Having a previous "Adult" record would affect a judges sentencing, we'd know about any other charges at this stage. In this case his age will add weight in his favor not against it.

My hope if he's found guilty is for a suspended sentence. I'm not a believer over use of the jail system, it does more harm to society locking up people like Newman than it does good.

 

[eagles_4_life]

Under the prison act of western australia prison officer in charge of the gate at the prison, has all access to the criminal records
of anyone before the court on charges, this includes sealed records, this is so the officer can make a determination if the person is convicted
and sent to jail they know what they are dealing with (ie threat) and where they would be placed in the prison.

Not real sure why your being such a dick about this? Usually find you to be a good poster

 

[eagles_4_life]

Previous convictions/charges have no impact on future charges, merely the punishment attributed if found guilty of said future charge.

He's on gbh charges because it's alleged he broke a guys face in a violent, unspontaneous attack, not any previous behaviour.

I like everyone else know why he is up for gbh as it has been reasonably well publicised

 

[the harry]

I like everyone else know why he is up for gbh as it has been reasonably well publicised

Are you sure? Because you seemed to imply that part of the reason for the charge was this mythical previous record....

Not sure if that is true since he is up for gbh?

 

[larrikin]

Not real sure why your being such a dick about this? Usually find you to be a good poster

How's he being a dick?

You posted allegations about him having a prior record that several people have refuted

 

[QS]

Your understanding is correct from my uncomfortably personal experience. I have a sister with a taste for the 'misunderstood' boys.

As far as I'm concerned, I find it hard to believe that we would have re-signed him even as a rookie if our legal team didn't believe he had a chance for at least a lenient ruling. As such I'm quietly confident he'll play in eagles colours in the future.

I think it can be taken into account if it is a relevant juvenile offence, e.g. if he had been found guilty of, for example, a serious violent offence (AOBH or GBH) and dealt with under the children's court it may be taken into account as an aggravating factor under s 7 of the Sentencing Act 1995 (specifically s 7(2)(c) - did the sentence for the previous offence achieve its purpose?). If the provision (e.g. DUI - 1st, 2nd, 3rd offence) has levels of culpability for recidivism then it may be then that it would not be a 'prior offence' for the purposes of the punishment.

That said, the media are generally pretty adept at getting information about an accused's 'form' so likely what RE is saying is accurate as we haven't heard anything to the contrary.

 

[Masto]

How's he being a dick?

You posted allegations about him having a prior record that several people have refuted

They aren't in a position to refute it. All they did was give their opinion it was false information. The real story can only be revealed in the fullness of time.

 

[Underdog]

They aren't in a position to refute it. All they did was give their opinion it was false information. The real story can only be revealed in the fullness of time.

ROYAL EAGLE appears to be sharing a fact, not an opinion.

 

[Masto]

ROYAL EAGLE appears to be sharing a fact, not an opinion.

ROYAL EAGLE is full of shit. Unless he is a crooked cop there is no way he would have access to the criminal record of minors.

 

[Eagle87]

ROYAL EAGLE is full of shit. Unless he is a crooked cop there is no way he would have access to the criminal record of minors.

You don't think there are people around the football community, particularly at West Coast, who are across the totality of the facts in this case as regards Newman?

You reckon his lawyers don't know?

You reckon full disclosure wasn't part of the clubs requirement?

You reckon someone with RE's connections wouldn't be able to uncover that?

Is it possible you're just being your usual "shoot from the hip" self, in spite of years of history suggesting you'd do well to just shut up?