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Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Given he pretty much coached the Nets from the cellar to the finals, i'd say he's a fair leader.

When you have a player as influential as Kidd, it is impossible for them to have success if said player isn't a leader, and isn't a guy looked up to by his teammates.
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You'd think so, but NJ should be in the Eastern finals with the squad that they have. Just questioning whether he's a good leader inspiring his team to something great, or just a great player that blames others when things don't go his way.

I'm still unsure BTW. A beautiful player to watch as he sees the game so well. Still have to question whether he deliberately played below his best under Scott for a month or so to expediate his firing. The team's form can't just be attributed to the new coach...as da kid runs da show!
 
Originally posted by Dingster
You'd think so, but NJ should be in the Eastern finals with the squad that they have.
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I don't think that's a fair comment.

Indiana have a better roster, and New Orleans is equally as talented when fit.
 
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
I don't think that's a fair comment.

Indiana have a better roster, and New Orleans is equally as talented when fit.
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Indiana is definitely up there, but NJ is better than NO. The point is that NJ should, on paper, make the Eastern finals regardless of the coach. A good coach would help them once they got there.

So the success of making the finals given the above doesn't neccessarily make Kidd a great leader. On the floor, I don't question his leadership skills. Off it, there remains a question mark.
 
Originally posted by Dingster
Indiana is definitely up there, but NJ is better than NO.
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New Orleans are a more talented team IMO.

New Orleans don't have a weakness at any position when fit, whereas Jersey lack a true big man.

Also, New Orleans have greater depth on their bench IMO.
 

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Originally posted by phatandphreaky
New Orleans are a more talented team IMO.

New Orleans don't have a weakness at any position when fit, whereas Jersey lack a true big man.

Also, New Orleans have greater depth on their bench IMO.
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Hopefully we get a chance to find out.
 
Originally posted by Dingster
Hopefully we get a chance to find out.
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Find out what?

I merely said i believe they have a more talented roster, didn't say they were a better team.

I believe the Nets are clearly the best in the East, don't believe they are the most talented though.
 
Originally posted by Bresh
Why not? Why not set an example to the rest of the players that there is actually a championship on the line here, and if you're not going to play the right way you're going to sit. When Aaron Williams and Mutombo actually got off the bench in games 3 and 4, I believe it was, things happened. All that happened in game 6 was KMart jacking up 20 footers that had absolutely no chance of going in. That's not how you want your "star" power forward to play. Oh but he's good on the defensive end right? Were you watching the same game, the one where Tim Duncan got a near quadruple-double?
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lol, your going to pick Game 6 of the NBA Finals to set an example. That would be bad coaching. A lot of K-Marts misses were from the post and the paint where Duncan was giving the youngster a lesson. He did then resort to outside jumpers which he is capable of hitting but his confidence was shattered by then. Im not disputing that Scott didnt coach particularly well in the Finals but over the course of his tenure at NJ, I thought he was a pretty good coach.

Originally posted by Bresh
And yet, even when your star PF plays crap, he stays on the court. Doesn't exactly send the right message to guys like Williams and Mutombo were busting their guts for every minute they were out there.
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Your suggesting that K-Mart wasnt busting his guy every minute he was out there. Martin was absolutely shattered after he put in his worst performance as a pro in the most important game of his career and you can see that this year he is on a tear to rectify it. He is now a legit double double guy, the second best PF in the East and one of the best PF's in the game, he is also an All Star. Putting the less talented Mutombo and Williams who werent going to play any harder than K-Mart wasnt going to solve much.

Originally posted by Bresh
I'll ask you this Jod, when Tony Parker was getting his punk ass owned against Phoenix and parts of the Finals, did Gregg Popovich say "Nah, that's OK... he'll come around sooner or later."
No. He got him off the court and put someone on who wanted to win so badly.
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Totally different situation because Parker isnt important to his team like K-Mart is. Parker is extremely overrated.
 
Bottom line, if you can't coach/play well/smart in the finals you are completely useless, and whatever you've done over the course of the season means jack. See: Port Power/Choco. Absolute bottom line. Sometimes you've got to put away your reputation, and live in the moment. KMart can put up 20/20 in every single game for the rest of his career and he'll never be able to make up for his performance in the finals, nor will Scott for his decision making.

Finally, I don't think someone having their "worst performance as a pro" with shattered confidence on the floor is a good idea, no?
 
Originally posted by Bresh
Bottom line, if you can't coach/play well/smart in the finals you are completely useless, and whatever you've done over the course of the season means jack. See: Port Power/Choco. Absolute bottom line. Sometimes you've got to put away your reputation, and live in the moment. KMart can put up 20/20 in every single game for the rest of his career and he'll never be able to make up for his performance in the finals, nor will Scott for his decision making.

Finally, I don't think someone having their "worst performance as a pro" with shattered confidence on the floor is a good idea, no?
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K-Mart was actually very good in that Finals series, it was just that game where he has a shocker. And he can make up for it, he has to get back to the finals and this time, win.

Probably not the best idea to leave him on the floor in the condition he was in but you never know with your star players, he could have all of a sudden hit his next four shots...got a steal, block a shot... anything. He is your second best player. Gotta leave him out there, simple as that.
 
The Nets make the NBA finals for the first time in franchise history under Byron Scott and then follow it up with another appearance the following year.

Not a bad effort for a cardboard cutout.

Come home Byron!
 
Originally posted by Portmagpies
The Nets make the NBA finals for the first time in franchise history under Byron Scott and then follow it up with another appearance the following year.

Not a bad effort for a cardboard cutout.

Come home Byron!
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Well said.

If the Nets are stupid enough to let him go, then I hope the Lakers snap him up for next season.
 
Originally posted by thehardaway
12-0 start for Lawrence Frank.
Surely deserves some recognition.
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Nah, you see when they go well, no one can possibly criticise Jason Kidd, so everyone goes quiet.
 

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My arms are well and truly folded on the matter.
 
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Nah, you see when they go well, no one can possibly criticise Jason Kidd, so everyone goes quiet.
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I wouldn't get too cocky just yet. If New Jersey don't at least make it to the NBA finals, people are going to be all over him.
 
Originally posted by Portmagpies
I wouldn't get too cocky just yet. If New Jersey don't at least make it to the NBA finals, people are going to be all over him.
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Yep, people who see everything in black and white will be all over him... and who cares what they have to say.

The fact of the matter is, that the East will not be won by default this season. Detroit recently acquired Sheed for nothing, and Indiana was the best team in the league whilst they had their full complement of players in (with Artest back for the playoffs).

New Jersey aren't going to walk into the Finals this year, they wouldn't have under Byron Scott... they won't under Larry Frank. But they are an improved team under him, no doubt.
 

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Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Nah, you see when they go well, no one can possibly criticise Jason Kidd, so everyone goes quiet.
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Personally I think that the current NJ performance if anything it is a bad indictment on Jason Kidd and to a lesser extent K-Mart that they can not set their feelings aside and perform to their best despite the fact that they do not like the coach.

I have never been a fan of Allen Iverson but I will give him his due. Despite the fact that him and Brown did not get along he never let that effect him on the basketball court and he always played his butt off.

The problem with Jason has never been his playing ability but more the fact that he is a prima donna and he wants everyone to agree with him and this effects the team. Infact I do nto think that anybody on this board questioned his ability to play and make players around him better. If we examine the first half of the season it was not just Scott that performed poorly but Kidd and K-Mart too, especially in leadrrship stakes, and that is why they were in such a hole before this winning streak.
 
Originally posted by no1bankteller
Personally I think that the current NJ performance if anything it is a bad indictment on Jason Kidd and to a lesser extent K-Mart that they can not set their feelings aside and perform to their best despite the fact that they do not like the coach.

I have never been a fan of Allen Iverson but I will give him his due. Despite the fact that him and Brown did not get along he never let that effect him on the basketball court and he always played his butt off.

The problem with Jason has never been his playing ability but more the fact that he is a prima donna and he wants everyone to agree with him and this effects the team. Infact I do nto think that anybody on this board questioned his ability to play and make players around him better. If we examine the first half of the season it was not just Scott that performed poorly but Kidd and K-Mart too, especially in leadrrship stakes, and that is why they were in such a hole before this winning streak.
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I agree with you 100% on Kidd and K-Mart. But with A.I im not so sure. I think his relationship with Brown was a strange one. Professionally I think they had their differences but I think they bonded quite well and both had an enormous amount of respect for each other. Of course I could be wrong, but thats how it looked to me.
 
Originally posted by Borgsta
But with A.I im not so sure. I think his relationship with Brown was a strange one. Professionally I think they had their differences but I think they bonded quite well and both had an enormous amount of respect for each other. Of course I could be wrong, but thats how it looked to me.
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That's the way I read it too. AI can't say the same for his current coach.
 

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