New Adelaide Newspaper ???

[Cap]

hey does anyone now if this so called new adealide paper (sundays only ??) is going to have football in it ??

i cant seem to find any details on it ? one can only hope
they can hire some good sports reporters (esp football ones)

 

[Mad Dog]

one can only hope
they can hire some good sports reporters (esp football ones)

they'd need to be imported !

Saw an add on the tele last night.............I will buy anything that competes with the Sunday Mail - decent footy coverage would be a bonus !

 

[Cap]

thats my point as well - the sunday mail is crap so i am hoping that there is some sort of competition coming in

 

[DJ75]

LETS HOPE THE NEW PAPER:
a. Has sports (all not just football)
b. Has no articles from either Chris (I'm still a bitter ex-player who couldn't make it as a coach)McDermott or Andrew (I think I'm great, watch me use my articles to try and upset other SANFL coaches) Jarman
c. Has no Michelangelo (Port Adelaide have left the SANFL for the AFL-revisionist crap) Rucci
d. Has some real journalism!

 

[Cap]

LETS HOPE THE NEW PAPER:
a. Has sports (all not just football)
b. Has no articles from either Chris (I'm still a bitter ex-player who couldn't make it as a coach)McDermott or Andrew (I think I'm great, watch me use my articles to try and upset other SANFL coaches) Jarman
c. Has no Michelangelo (Port Adelaide have left the SANFL for the AFL-revisionist crap) Rucci
d. Has some real journalism!

well i finally found it

it has sport - only weekly though will be interesting to see who does football

 

[footballphantom]

Listened to an interview this morning and apparently the paper is going to be printed on a Friday so anything that happens between then and Sunday will not be in it. So no good for footy or really any sports.

Also the paper will not be available at all newsagents and not home delivered from reports. I do not know how accurate that is.

Like you I want some real competition

 

[Alex99]

Competition in the market place is always good it keeps management accountable.


What is the new paper going to be called?

If it is going to be printed on a Friday and released on a Sunday it could get very frustrating if it going to be a newspaper.

 

[Cap]

Listened to an interview this morning and apparently the paper is going to be printed on a Friday so anything that happens between then and Sunday will not be in it. So no good for footy or really any sports.

Also the paper will not be available at all newsagents and not home delivered from reports. I do not know how accurate that is.

Like you I want some real competition

yeah that is really disappionting if that is the case

might buy it still to have a look but who wants to read on sunday about current events from earlier that week

its also aimed at the mature market so i'm gathering football fans arent part of that !!

 

[arrowman]

It's called the Independent Weekly. 20,000 being printed this week and they're targeting 15,000 sales.

I heard one of the startup investors on the radio this morning - he said that being printed on Friday (they are hoping to move to Saturday) you wouldn't expect the news to be "hot" - it's more about "issues based journalism".

As far as footy goes, that wasn't mentioned but it's pretty clear they wouldn't be in the "results" market. But then again, apart from the scores and ladder there's nothing worthwhile in the Sunday Mail anyway; the match reports are usually crap. If they're into "issues based journalism" I don't see why they couldn't produce some decent football analysis and commentary, jut not match reports. Personally that would suit me just fine. I doubt footy will be on their agenda from day one but in the longer term they'd probably want to cover that market.

Hey, even the Adelaide Review has a small footy component these days.

I reckon their timing is good - in a couple of weeks the only reason left to buy the Sunday Mail will be the TV guide and they will be vulnerable

 

[Leaping Lindner]

Having just spent the weekend in Adelaide I say bring it on. The Advertiser and Sunday Mail are a bloody disgrace (and not just in footy news).

 

[JohnK]

Awash in newsprint

On Sunday, September 18, Solstice Media launched its first issue of the Independent Weekly, a new Adelaide weekly broadsheet cashed up to make a serious twelve month assault on the Murdoch fiefdom.

The first issue was, predictably lightweight. Its page one story about Karlene Maywald’s political career was never a page one story but they had to run with something.

The Independent Weekly looked like London’s Independent and had fifteen stories credited to the London Independent just like a period in the Advertiser’s recent past when they filled their spaces around
the ads with Sydney crime stories.

First issues of newspapers are fascinating things. You always get the big bold bull******** statements. Independent thinking, for one thing. Fifteen syndicated stories from a newspaper in the other hemisphere is not independent thinking in Adelaide. The Independent Weekly isn’t bold or particularly independent.
It’s a copy of the London layout and takes its worldly copy from that paper.

Alex Kennedy has picked up some of the few people left in Adelaide who can string a half-sensible column together for the right money. Three of them, the liberated left or floating Democrats -- Stephen Hallliday, Barbara Pocock and John Schumann -- write the most interesting columns. Although, at this point, I must say that Schumann writes just like Bob Ellis. He cannot or will not divorce himself from his subject matter.

With Ellis, this is the sole point in buying his books. More fun than Kath and Kim, and more painful, Ellis is a walking talking Look At Me, Look At Me. Ellis is so bad at this, you know that he knows that he is wondering how far he can push his stained linen. But Schumann doesn’t even begin to understand that
the big wide world is not about him.

Curiously, the Independent’s first editorial included a defensive caveat about sport: “The Independent will not be a great sporting paper… previews and results... we will look at sport as part of our culture…”

Having already pleaded with readers on page one to “not confuse us as a competitor with a daily paper or a Sunday paper”, this editorial revealed the publisher’s fear that readers would realise that the Weekly Independent isn’t a newspaper in the classic understanding of the term.

The Independent won’t have reporters and a newsgathering bureau at all. It will only deliver opinion, much like the Adelaide Review or Rip It Up or DB Magazine. It will mainly have freelance writers, not reporters.

It’s a magazine hiding in a weekly newspaper format.

There’s nothing wrong with that but the big claims elsewhere about us having “a whole (brave) new worldof reading in [our] hands" is well… slightly overstated.
The truth is that Adelaide consumers have access to the Age, the Sydney Morning Herald, the Courier Mail at almost every service station or supermarket in the city.
And, if we want, we can get internet access to nearly every credible newspaper in the world including London’s Independent.
Or we can subscribe to the New Yorker. So there’s nothing new world
about the Adelaide Independent. The only thing new about it are the writers they have gathered which other local publications have missed.

That’s their challenge. Good writers get good readers. Can the
Adelaide market expand? Will our journalism graduates find more reasons to stay in South Australia

On the same day, Murdoch’s Sunday Mail added yet another insert to its insert-dominated Sunday paper, a fatuous full colour 28-page tabloid light glossy called Power Pack, profiling city achievers. Fatuous means
vacantly silly. If you are still not sure what fatuous means, read Power Pack cover to cover. A few days before, Murdoch’s Adelaide Messenger relaunched itself with a serious makeover. A new layout with delightful echoes of the Advertiser around 1970 with an expansion of the city paper from 28 or 32 pages to a staggering 56. Not bad for a giveaway. In October, Adelaide Review will go fortnightly with more, presumably, of the same.

Adelaide has been a dim newspaper town for a long long time. Our colleges have pumped out journalism graduates at a furious rate and watched the best of them achieve measured greatness interstate. When we lost the News a long time ago, and then the nightly ABC 7.30 Report and then some locally based commercial news production teams, and when commercial radio news downgraded their delivery, the leaching of our journalistic talent became a mass flight. The Advertiser, our linchpin, became Adelaide’ssad flagship of journalistic excellence. Many citizens still choke when I tell them that I think the Advertiser is a great newspaper. And it is if you compare it to the Hobart Mercury.

Over the years, the Advertiser has reduced Adelaide’s self-referring status to that of a country town. The Sunday Mail has enhanced this downward cultural self-evaluation by eliminating any copy in its pages that deals with the complexity of urban culture.
The Messenger chain, paradoxically working on the village or suburban level, often produces the best print journalism in Adelaide, double- or triple-sourcing small stories, and often generating intelligent and voluminous debate in its letter columns.

As for the Adelaide Review, for twenty years this paper has been a fringe player in the city’s media, indulging the fantasies of its editors and proprietors. It has gained critical success with its reviewers and
promoted the careers of many creative writers but it has failed, so far, to propel its journalism into the state consciousness or to establish itself as an essential, rather than a randomly-indulgent, publication.

Becoming a fortnightly is a huge challenge for this magazine. It will trade parts of its monthly obscurism for more measurable fortnightly values such as journalistic relevance.

In time, with the Independent Weekly, the reinvigorated Messenger and the fortnightly Adelaide Review, this city may develop a new bureau, a new team of young professional newsgatherers, a new crop of wordsmiths who want to stay here, knowing they can turn their youthful passion into a career-structured profession.
As always, you think at times like this that the strength of these publications has nothing to do with the outrageous claims of their proprietors but whether or not the generation coming through can grasp a challenge that is, right now, staring at them and us in our face.

John Kingsmill, Adelaide Review sportswriter

xxx

 

[Cap]

thanks for that - its a kind of depressing story really
and i was thinking of going back to study to do journalism - maybe not

 

[Mad Dog]

People are looking at The Independent as if it's in stasis - it clearly is not. The clear intention is to make the paper a daily. It needs time to find its feet, in the meantime support it just for the sake of supporting it - we desperately need an alternative paper.

Agreed - everyone should just buy a copy to get it up on it's feet....it's the only way we will improve print journalism in this town and keep the 'tiser and mail honest. I got mine - I'll support it all the way.

 

[arrowman]

I think Kingsmill's comments are "cruel but fair" - or perhaps, "fair but cruel". On the other hand, it was well worth the $1.50 and I was still reading it on Monday - more than you can say for the Mail!

Yes, maybe too much imported stuff, but then again I'd rather read syndicated articles from UK papers than Nicole Cornes

And a lot of Kingsmill's criticism could be directed at his paper (the Adelaide Review) also. They run some pretty self-indulgent stuff too.

All up - support this newspaper. It's all very well to complain about the lack of alternatives in Adelaide, we should not reject a fledgling alternative just because it's not perfect.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

All up - support this newspaper. It's all very well to complain about the lack of alternatives in Adelaide, we should not reject a fledgling alternative just because it's not perfect.

Yeah, media competition is badly needed given most of our "news" comes from the same few sources.

 

[JohnK]

Arrowman wrote: A lot of Kingsmill's criticism could be directed at his paper (the Adelaide Review) also. They run some pretty self-indulgent stuff too.


I thought I said exactly that.

 

[arrowman]

Arrowman wrote: A lot of Kingsmill's criticism could be directed at his paper (the Adelaide Review) also. They run some pretty self-indulgent stuff too.


I thought I said exactly that.

Oh! Hello John. OK, I'll own that. I was so focused on the "UK newspaper" comments that I misread some of the rest. My apologies.

Anyway, here's cheers to both newspapers and I hope we will see more of your writing, John - I like the football stuff you write in the Review.