Now hiring - a genuine CHB

[Pivot]

Like others I'm very worried about this key position at the Blues. Is Hartlett or Setanta ready next year? Too early for them? Thornton the best we have or is Whitnall? Livo, not likely? Crow? Bryan? arghhhhhh!!!!

Do we trade for a Polak, Michael (more of a FB) or Travis Gaspar?

Do we just draft and develop? How many key defenders do we want in the draft? Who is ideal for us?

 

[mojo31]

Josh Kennedy pick 4 = CHB. Best solution to that but is he worth it over Hurn or Ryder?

Maybe.

 

[Silvagnis]

Austin Lucy at 20?
Can Cleve Hughes be developed into a CHB if we get another 1st round pick?

 

[Muji]

People, can you get us detail on the players listed above, like their style of play and ball usage, who would you compare them to, are they ready-made so on.

 

[mojo31]

People, can you get us detail on the players listed above, like their style of play and ball usage, who would you compare them to, are they ready-made so on.

I did that yesterday. Go back through the thread PICK 4 and you can read it if you want.

 

[Muji]

Ok thanks mojo!

 

[OZBomb]

I wouldn't be adverse to trading for Jay Schulz to fill Centre Half Back.

 

[windows]

Like others I'm very worried about this key position at the Blues. Is Hartlett or Setanta ready next year? Too early for them? Thornton the best we have or is Whitnall? Livo, not likely? Crow? Bryan? arghhhhhh!!!!

Do we trade for a Polak, Michael (more of a FB) or Travis Gaspar?

Do we just draft and develop? How many key defenders do we want in the draft? Who is ideal for us?

No way for Hartlett or Setanta. I am not sure either is a backman. If they are, they need a full year there in the VFL next year because neither showed anything in that role in the twos this year. Crow is a good VFL player, that's all. Bryan CHB? No way. We are screwed. I hope Thornton was injured in the second half of this year because if he wasn't he went backwards. Prior to that I had been thinking, YES a Michael Sexton (when he was good) type CHB. Not so sure now. Livo is terrible. Just terrible. At his best he looks....terrible. No words to describe him at his worst. Polak would be a great get, therefore we won't get him!!!! Travis Gaspar? I don't think so - would only be putting fingers in the dyke. He doesn't run the ball out of the backline like a good CHB does. I know people keep saying Kennedy is a CHF/CHB but has anyone actually seen him play CHB? I have seen him play CHF, and in most of the reports from the Colts it says he played CHF. So where does the theory he can play CHB come from?

 

[Axl_Rose]

Travis Gaspar? I don't think so - would only be putting fingers in the dyke. He doesn't run the ball out of the backline like a good CHB does.

I hope you are not basing this on his preliminary final performance. Travis Gaspar is a very good key position player who's career has been delayed by serious injury's. The fact that the Eagles played him for his first game in a Preliminary Final shows how much faith they have in him, and i think we have no chance of being able to snag him from WCE.

 

[Pivot]

No way for Hartlett or Setanta. I am not sure either is a backman. If they are, they need a full year there in the VFL next year because neither showed anything in that role in the twos this year. Crow is a good VFL player, that's all. Bryan CHB? No way. We are screwed. I hope Thornton was injured in the second half of this year because if he wasn't he went backwards. Prior to that I had been thinking, YES a Michael Sexton (when he was good) type CHB. Not so sure now. Livo is terrible. Just terrible. At his best he looks....terrible. No words to describe him at his worst. Polak would be a great get, therefore we won't get him!!!! Travis Gaspar? I don't think so - would only be putting fingers in the dyke. He doesn't run the ball out of the backline like a good CHB does. I know people keep saying Kennedy is a CHF/CHB but has anyone actually seen him play CHB? I have seen him play CHF, and in most of the reports from the Colts it says he played CHF. So where does the theory he can play CHB come from?

Offering any alternatives at all???

T.Gaspar is a good player, been injured but has been included in the best team in the comp in the Prelim Final - can't be all that bad can he...? Is also 197cm, mobile, a good mark and can play forward or back. We don't have someone like this. I'm not saying he is the answer but rather floating the idea of pinching him from the Weagles, he wouldn't cost us much I wouldn't think.

Polak we won't get unfortunately. Crow is ok but I would rather take a Wayde Mills or James Wall with a late pick.

From all reports Kennedy plays CHF and CHB both well. He's obviously talented, is tall, mobile and takes a good pack mark. Sounds like CHB might be a position he can play. With draftees it's hard to tell exactly where they will end up playing so I understand your concerns there.

Thornton was injured last year, hence the white bandage around his year - remember the WC GF?

Bryan, Hartlett and Setanta are "maybes" for CHB which is a bit of a concern like you pointed out. They have the size to cover the position which is why many believe they may develop but for the time being Thornton is our best CHB IMO.

Karl Norman I would rather though at CHB as he has more skill, reach, speed, is a thumping kick, is a better mark and has much more mungrel in him. All key attributes for a good CHB.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

T.Gaspar is a good player, been injured but has been included in the best team in the comp in the Prelim Final - can't be all that bad can he...? Is also 197cm, mobile, a good mark and can play forward or back. We don't have someone like this. I'm not saying he is the answer but rather floating the idea of pinching him from the Weagles, he wouldn't cost us much I wouldn't think.

Interesting.

For most of the season, WC supporters have acknowledged that CHB is the gaping hole in our team.

Hunter has been good but at 190cm is a little under-sized. WC supporters have been discussing the need for a genuine tall defender for some time.

And then, in the PF, Gaspar returns. He's 197cm, incredibly mobile, excellent overhead with good skills.

In short, Gaspar is the answer to what has been acknowledged as our biggest problem. We've been waiting a long time for Gaspar to get back and hold down CHB, as we don't really have many options in that spot.

I would be very very surprised if WC, having nursed Gaspar through for the last 3-4 seasons, now decides to trade him just as he looks like getting a sustained crack at senior football.

He's our only genuine CHB and he's been a long time coming.

Your suggestion that Carlton could get Gaspar cheap ignores his significance in our side and the investment the club has made in him.

Furthermore, you really don't have anything we want apart from Fevola.

 

[mojo31]

Interesting.

For most of the season, WC supporters have acknowledged that CHB is the gaping hole in our team.

Hunter has been good but at 190cm is a little under-sized. WC supporters have been discussing the need for a genuine tall defender for some time.

And then, in the PF, Gaspar returns. He's 197cm, incredibly mobile, excellent overhead with good skills.

In short, Gaspar is the answer to what has been acknowledged as our biggest problem. We've been waiting a long time for Gaspar to get back and hold down CHB, as we don't really have many options in that spot.

I would be very very surprised if WC, having nursed Gaspar through for the last 3-4 seasons, now decides to trade him just as he looks like getting a sustained crack at senior football.

He's our only genuine CHB and he's been a long time coming.

Your suggestion that Carlton could get Gaspar cheap ignores his significance in our side and the investment the club has made in him.

Furthermore, you really don't have anything we want apart from Fevola.

So Gaspar is the answer? Great. Lets see how he goes in the GF on someone decent if they play him there.
We dont want him here.

 

[Pivot]

Interesting.

For most of the season, WC supporters have acknowledged that CHB is the gaping hole in our team.

Hunter has been good but at 190cm is a little under-sized. WC supporters have been discussing the need for a genuine tall defender for some time.

And then, in the PF, Gaspar returns. He's 197cm, incredibly mobile, excellent overhead with good skills.

In short, Gaspar is the answer to what has been acknowledged as our biggest problem. We've been waiting a long time for Gaspar to get back and hold down CHB, as we don't really have many options in that spot.

I would be very very surprised if WC, having nursed Gaspar through for the last 3-4 seasons, now decides to trade him just as he looks like getting a sustained crack at senior football.

He's our only genuine CHB and he's been a long time coming.

Your suggestion that Carlton could get Gaspar cheap ignores his significance in our side and the investment the club has made in him.

Furthermore, you really don't have anything we want apart from Fevola.

He's not worth much mate. You say he is the answer to your team. That's fine but means nothing in a trade deal. He has hardly played since he started so his trade value is very low. I would be surprised though if the Weagles traded him also.

 

[pumped]

I would have thought that FB not CHB is our major problem. I also feel that it is easier to develop a CHB than FB.

 

[Lajon]

Interesting.

For most of the season, WC supporters have acknowledged that CHB is the gaping hole in our team.

Hunter has been good but at 190cm is a little under-sized. WC supporters have been discussing the need for a genuine tall defender for some time.

And then, in the PF, Gaspar returns. He's 197cm, incredibly mobile, excellent overhead with good skills.

In short, Gaspar is the answer to what has been acknowledged as our biggest problem. We've been waiting a long time for Gaspar to get back and hold down CHB, as we don't really have many options in that spot.

I would be very very surprised if WC, having nursed Gaspar through for the last 3-4 seasons, now decides to trade him just as he looks like getting a sustained crack at senior football.

He's our only genuine CHB and he's been a long time coming.

Your suggestion that Carlton could get Gaspar cheap ignores his significance in our side and the investment the club has made in him.

Furthermore, you really don't have anything we want apart from Fevola.

this guy is a dead set clown ...honestly thinks that by talking up players on big footy he somehow has an influence on driving up their trade value. Maybe concentrate on watching your side go into a grand final then sitting on here talking about trade scenarios

 

[smthomson]

With limited KPP backman available at present would Shannon Watt from the Roos be a good pick up at the right price? Don't get me wrong not my first choice but can certainly hold down FB while pushing Thornton up to CHB where he is much better suited! Thoughts?

 

[mojo31]

With limited KPP backman available at present would Shannon Watt from the Roos be a good pick up at the right price? Don't get me wrong not my first choice but can certainly hold down FB while pushing Thornton up to CHB where he is much better suited! Thoughts?

I cant see it myself. Colbert has retired and the Roos are looking for another key back so they would not let him go cheaply.
Go the draft and hope that Power re-signs with Brisbane and Mal gets a low offer and we snare him in the PSD.

 

[Pivot]

I cant see it myself. Colbert has retired and the Roos are looking for another key back so they would not let him go cheaply.
Go the draft and hope that Power re-signs with Brisbane and Mal gets a low offer and we snare him in the PSD.

Is Hay worth a look at?

 

[OZBomb]

Is Hay worth a look at?

Would only be a stop-gap measure at his age.

 

[bibi01]

No way for Hartlett or Setanta. I am not sure either is a backman. If they are, they need a full year there in the VFL next year because neither showed anything in that role in the twos this year. Crow is a good VFL player, that's all. Bryan CHB? No way. We are screwed. I hope Thornton was injured in the second half of this year because if he wasn't he went backwards. Prior to that I had been thinking, YES a Michael Sexton (when he was good) type CHB. Not so sure now. Livo is terrible. Just terrible. At his best he looks....terrible. No words to describe him at his worst. Polak would be a great get, therefore we won't get him!!!! Travis Gaspar? I don't think so - would only be putting fingers in the dyke. He doesn't run the ball out of the backline like a good CHB does. I know people keep saying Kennedy is a CHF/CHB but has anyone actually seen him play CHB? I have seen him play CHF, and in most of the reports from the Colts it says he played CHF. So where does the theory he can play CHB come from?

why would polak be great?

 

[av76]

Just wondering if people think Thornton can actually play CHB in the long-term?
It seems he played well as fullback early on in his career and people, including me, thought his skills would mean we can more him to CHB. Personally find him a much more convincing fullback with Livo playing in pocket.
If Thornton makes a better FB, Lance will need to continue playing CHB next year (if he's not traded) if we want to play someone who can defend and create something as well. Setanta might be able to play as a stopper but we can forget about any drive out of the backline.
Can't really think of an obvious candidate that we could get without trading Fev or Whitnall or trading our first round draft picks! Seems like it will the hardest hole to fill in the short-term. Hopefully we can get an immediate improvement in the midfield next year with Murphy, a PSD pick and a trade (e.g. salopek) so our backline isn't under as much pressure.

 

[Snoozer]

With limited KPP backman available at present would Shannon Watt from the Roos be a good pick up at the right price? Don't get me wrong not my first choice but can certainly hold down FB while pushing Thornton up to CHB where he is much better suited! Thoughts?

Shannon Watt is no good. Not worth considering at all. Should be playing VFL.

 

[Snoozer]

Just wondering if people think Thornton can actually play CHB in the long-term?
It seems he played well as fullback early on in his career and people, including me, thought his skills would mean we can more him to CHB. Personally find him a much more convincing fullback with Livo playing in pocket.
If Thornton makes a better FB, Lance will need to continue playing CHB next year (if he's not traded) if we want to play someone who can defend and create something as well. Setanta might be able to play as a stopper but we can forget about any drive out of the backline.
Can't really think of an obvious candidate that we could get without trading Fev or Whitnall or trading our first round draft picks! Seems like it will the hardest hole to fill in the short-term. Hopefully we can get an immediate improvement in the midfield next year with Murphy, a PSD pick and a trade (e.g. salopek) so our backline isn't under as much pressure.

Absolutely. Tall enough, fit enough, athlitic enough, skillful enough, reads the play well enough, tight enough, rebounds well enough... needs maybe a touch more bulk but that will come.

If we are gonna go any good, Lance needs to be as far away as possible from CHB. Not saying that he's no good there, but when he goes there it's a sure sign that the rest of our side is stuffed.

 

[HBF]

Just wondering if people think Thornton can actually play CHB in the long-term?
It seems he played well as fullback early on in his career and people, including me, thought his skills would mean we can more him to CHB. Personally find him a much more convincing fullback with Livo playing in pocket.
If Thornton makes a better FB, Lance will need to continue playing CHB next year (if he's not traded) if we want to play someone who can defend and create something as well. Setanta might be able to play as a stopper but we can forget about any drive out of the backline.
Can't really think of an obvious candidate that we could get without trading Fev or Whitnall or trading our first round draft picks! Seems like it will the hardest hole to fill in the short-term. Hopefully we can get an immediate improvement in the midfield next year with Murphy, a PSD pick and a trade (e.g. salopek) so our backline isn't under as much pressure.

Agree. Thornton played alot better at full back, just struggled against the bigger bodied players such as Gehrig and Hall.

My preference is to draft a good CHB in either this years draft or the next. We have to stop trading for players that are only going to provide short term fixes. I has been proved over and over again that this method of rebuilding does not work.

What we need to do is get a quality backman, whether it be a CHB or FB, preferably one that can play in both positions. I don't have enough knowledge on this years draftees to make an informed decision, although i'm sure some of you do.

We know we are going to take Murphy at 1, the next decision we have to make is do we take another mid at 4, or go with a KPP at 4. I suspect this will become clearer after trade week.

 

[Pivot]

Thornton plays much better at CHB and Livingston plays better at FB. These two fully fit are a decent combination. The problem is one of them is usually injured and not fully fit when playing, putting too much pressure on the other. I think these two when fully fit are the go at the moment. We need a genuine taller player to take the bulkier players or resting rucks. Bryan, Hartlett, Setanta would be ok. Maybe try for a Ryan Ferguson in a trade or a Justin Crow (with more bulk, has the height though) with a late pick in the draft.