NWO/Illuminati Obey: Death of the liberal class

[Hard_to_Beat]

 

[rayven]

Probably should post this in the wise thread by mantis

 

[fishardansin]

I think the "death of liberalism" is a very complex story. However, I think in the most simplistic description it has actually killed itself.

1. The concept of "my truth" and excessive freedom of speech is where it all died.

2. The vast growth in human knowledge sees us all have to specialise more and more and rely on either mainstream thinking but often hear vastly different decenting points of view. There has also been a massive upswing of sources of media.

3. The current economic system has seen us all go through a 3 or 4 generation period of amazing affluence, in our part of the world, but also forced us to "buy in" much more than ever as our affluence is based heavily upon debt, that we can't walk away from.

4. Decades of media studies have lead to political and scientific discussion given to the public as catchphrases and emotionally charged imagery in a manner closer representing propoganda. There has been a constant undertone to increase distrust in politicians and dismiss any sort of detailed discussion.

Regards point 1 there is such a thing as "my truth" however, many people are unable to distinguish between what is subjective, where "my truth" applies, and what is objective. Even with high levels of intelligence and education the lines between subjective and objective are not clear anyhow.

The biggest problem with the concept of "my truth" is that many people think that their feelings on a matter are just as important as what an expert has spent their whole life studying, building upon work for centuries. This bleeds into point 2. Because much of the differences between mainstream ideas are subtle people seem them as a one message, while the subtle differences may be greater than they understand. So if they don't LIKE what the mainstream has to offer they turn their attention to almost conspiratorial points of view. This is very evident in regards to climate change and vaccination.

 

[rayven]

I think the "death of liberalism" is a very complex story. However, I think in the most simplistic description it has actually killed itself.

1. The concept of "my truth" and excessive freedom of speech is where it all died.

2. The vast growth in human knowledge sees us all have to specialise more and more and rely on either mainstream thinking but often hear vastly different decenting points of view. There has also been a massive upswing of sources of media.

3. The current economic system has seen us all go through a 3 or 4 generation period of amazing affluence, in our part of the world, but also forced us to "buy in" much more than ever as our affluence is based heavily upon debt, that we can't walk away from.

4. Decades of media studies have lead to political and scientific discussion given to the public as catchphrases and emotionally charged imagery in a manner closer representing propoganda. There has been a constant undertone to increase distrust in politicians and dismiss any sort of detailed discussion.

Regards point 1 there is such a thing as "my truth" however, many people are unable to distinguish between what is subjective, where "my truth" applies, and what is objective. Even with high levels of intelligence and education the lines between subjective and objective are not clear anyhow.

The biggest problem with the concept of "my truth" is that many people think that their feelings on a matter are just as important as what an expert has spent their whole life studying, building upon work for centuries. This bleeds into point 2. Because much of the differences between mainstream ideas are subtle people seem them as a one message, while the subtle differences may be greater than they understand. So if they don't LIKE what the mainstream has to offer they turn their attention to almost conspiratorial points of view. This is very evident in regards to climate change and vaccination.

Did you watch the doco?

British filmmaker Temujin Doran has released a new movie that is based on the book "The Death of the Liberal Class" by Truthdig columnist Chris Hedges. The film, titled "Obey," explores the rise of the corporate state and the future of obedience in a world filled with unfettered capitalism, worsening inequality and environmental changes.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Left wing rubbish to the core. It says unions was/will be silenced by gangsters. The unions were the ******* gangsters.

 

[radiojake]

Well thought out analysis, Gus -

Thanks for your input

 

[Gus Poyet]

Well thought out analysis, Gus -

Thanks for your input

You're welcome.

It's hard to sit through 50 minutes of left wing propaganda.

Especially when it mentions socialism and unions an example of some shining light to combat the obey principle being made, despite them being all about control and obeying.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

It's hard to sit through 50 minutes of left wing propaganda.

Then don't.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Then don't.

I had too.

Just to confirm my suspicions.

 

[evo]

You're welcome.

It's hard to sit through 50 minutes of left wing propaganda.

Especially when it mentions socialism and unions an example of some shining light to combat the obey principle being made, despite them being all about control and obeying.

I made it to about the 25 minute mark. I kept expecting him to support his views with some sort of argument but it was never forthcoming. It amounted to one man's opinion.

I give it a resounding: 'meh'

 

[Gus Poyet]

I made it to about the 25 minute mark. I kept expecting him to support his opinions but it was never forthcoming. It amounted to one man's opinion.

I give it a resounding: 'meh'

My biggest concern was the music choice. It had an eerie feeling of some kind of subliminal drone to it. Which would be a good choice in hindsight if you were wanting to create a brain dead drone.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

My biggest concern was the music choice.

Deep.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Deep.

It's highly important if you're trying to sell anything. Be it a product or an idea.

Basic consumerism psychology.

 

[nicky]

It's perplexing that everyone isn't aghast over the power corporations yeild.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but temporarily embarassed millionaires" - John Steinbeck

 

[Gus Poyet]

Corporations power over anyone is limited by that persons actions.

Don't like Banks? Don't put ya money in one.

Don't like a certain company? Don't use it. Find an alternative.

There's bucket loads of alternatives if people really did want to make an effort. It's just easier for people to moan about stuff though.

 

[rayven]

Don't like Banks? Don't put ya money in one.



There's bucket loads of alternatives if people really did want to make an effort. It's just easier for people to moan about stuff though.

What would they be?


Whats the most amount of cash your legally allowed to carry?

What is the maximum amount of cash stored at home , will insurance companies pay out in the advent of a robbery?

 

[Gus Poyet]

What would they be?

Whats the most amount of cash your legally allowed to carry?

If you have a good hiding place who would know you had a cent to your name?

What is the maximum amount of cash stored at home , will insurance companies pay out in the advent of a robbery?

Does that matter?

If you're anti-corporation then you won't mind taking that risk because you think they are evil and you don't want them to have your money.

 

[placebo]

It's perplexing that everyone isn't aghast over the power corporations yeild.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but temporarily embarassed millionaires" - John Steinbeck

No, Socialism never took hold because it's an ineffective economic system that shouldn't be taken all that seriously by anyone.

 

[Seeds]

What would they be?


Whats the most amount of cash your legally allowed to carry?

What is the maximum amount of cash stored at home , will insurance companies pay out in the advent of a robbery?

Why do you have to hold cash. Cash is just a medium of exchange. Put your money in assets.

 

[Seeds]

Are the socialists actually trying to claim thay the current system has too much control. What the hell do they think socialism is???

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

No, Socialism never took hold because it's an ineffective economic system that shouldn't be taken all that seriously by anyone.

It's astounding that this is the only response you can give in relation to that quote.

 

[radiojake]

Are the socialists actually trying to claim thay the current system has too much control. What the hell do they think socialism is???

Atleast socialism didn't try to pretend that it didn't exert control -

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For what it's worth, I'm not a socialist, mostly because socialism still has some of the same fundamental assumptions that capitalism has (perpetual production/consumption economy based on growth) -

They are both inefficiently equipped to deal with the current plague of environmental degradation.

 

[MrCharisma]

Why do you have to hold cash. Cash is just a medium of exchange. Put your money in assets.

Assets don't buy you goods and services required for survival , you are paid with money not assets , you need money to purchase assets, some assets depreciate and cost money to maintain.

 

[MrCharisma]

Corporations power over anyone is limited by that persons actions.

Don't like Banks? Don't put ya money in one.


There's bucket loads of alternatives if people really did want to make an effort. It's just easier for people to moan about stuff though.

So your boss is willing to pay you cash in hand?

 

[placebo]

It's astounding that this is the only response you can give in relation to that quote.

Steinbeck is a quality author, but that quote is total nonsense. What's so astounding about my response? Socialism is a poor economic theory and ultimately ineffective, which is why it never took off.

Nothing astounding about it.