open mike (kouta)

[godsmack]

saw a great interview with kouta, on open mike (foxtel) where he attributed his sucess to the guidence provided by barry mitchell and more importantly wayne brittain. Got me to thinking about how many of our champs had carrer best seasons under brittains coaching.

Kouta
Lappin
campo
lance
baumont
porter

I can't think of many more, except for ratten to a point.

Just fouind it interesting that some posters on this board, ( i wont name names, but you know who you are) critisise4d brittain, because, even though he was an excellent match day coach, he didn't do enough before the game to prepare. Looks like he did enough for these players to be the best that they could be. Baumont was of particular interest considering that he had a shocker last year, and isn't doing too good at the moment.

the reason for this post is that i'd like other carlton supporters to voice their opinions as to whether or not brittain would have made a good to very good coach, had his charges not been hit by injuries in 2001-2002??

ps. This is not an anti pagan post!!!

 

[Jimmae]

I still think Brittan and Parkin was a fantastic combonation... happy to take all three as a coaching board.

That said, Britts musn't be having much of an impact at Richmond at the moment - don't forget people can get stale.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Originally posted by godsmack
saw a great interview with kouta, on open mike (foxtel) where he attributed his sucess to the guidence provided by barry mitchell and more importantly wayne brittain. Got me to thinking about how many of our champs had carrer best seasons under brittains coaching.

Kouta
Lappin
campo
lance
baumont
porter

I can't think of many more, except for ratten to a point.

Just fouind it interesting that some posters on this board, ( i wont name names, but you know who you are) critisise4d brittain, because, even though he was an excellent match day coach, he didn't do enough before the game to prepare. Looks like he did enough for these players to be the best that they could be. Baumont was of particular interest considering that he had a shocker last year, and isn't doing too good at the moment.

the reason for this post is that i'd like other carlton supporters to voice their opinions as to whether or not brittain would have made a good to very good coach, had his charges not been hit by injuries in 2001-2002??

ps. This is not an anti pagan post!!!

He actually said Bittain helped him get over the death of his father.

BTW youd find he is an Elliott supporter and likes that era under Parkin cos they were well looked after and he had better players around him


Look at richmond if you want an indicator on how good Briits develops kids and his coaching style.

 

[Free Willy]

Brittain was very popular with the playing group.

This however was due to good inter-personal skills rather than admiration over his coaching ability.

Untill he gets another opportunity, it will be hard to re-asess his coaching ability, but going on his performances up to know - its a stinker.

Parkin was often quoted as saying he never got too close to the playing group & it was a way I suppose he maintained their respect on his ability rather than letting personalities or friendships get in the way.

Not too sure (in fact wouldnt have a clue - just guessing), but it would appear the Leigh Matthews & M.M. would probably stick to the same principals.

 

[godsmack]

interesting. Considering that parkin is respected as an excellent coach, i doubt he would have recommended britts as coach, if he felt that he wasn't capable of doing a fantasic job. If you look at his record, he took over as head coach in 2000. Prior to that it was common knowledge that parkin was not the match day coach during the 1999 season.

1999 Runners up
2000 Prelim - would have been further if kouta didn't go down with a knee
2001 semi - would have at least been prelim if kouta didn't go down with a knee
2002 - wooden spoon. - injuries played a big part in this result.

call it a stinker if you'd like, but on this evidence, it show that britts was a very good first up coach, and he could have been remembered as getting a flag in his first year as coach, had things not gone the way they did.

Again i must stress that this is not a anti pagan thread.

 

[Jimmae]

I still think they worked well as a combonation, and through some even further woeful trades and a slow and natural transition of opposition teams lists, Parkins dossiers on players became null and void and Britts had lost his usual platform to perform off.

 

[BlueBoy83]

Originally posted by godsmack
interesting. Considering that parkin is respected as an excellent coach, i doubt he would have recommended britts as coach, if he felt that he wasn't capable of doing a fantasic job. If you look at his record, he took over as head coach in 2000. Prior to that it was common knowledge that parkin was not the match day coach during the 1999 season.

1999 Runners up
2000 Prelim - would have been further if kouta didn't go down with a knee
2001 semi - would have at least been prelim if kouta didn't go down with a knee
2002 - wooden spoon. - injuries played a big part in this result.

call it a stinker if you'd like, but on this evidence, it show that britts was a very good first up coach, and he could have been remembered as getting a flag in his first year as coach, had things not gone the way they did.

Again i must stress that this is not a anti pagan thread.

are u sure ur not related to brits?? lol only kidding ....

well he's done a great job at tigerland hasn't he .... id take pagan any day!!!!

 

[godsmack]

Originally posted by Jimmae
I still think they worked well as a combonation, and through some even further woeful trades and a slow and natural transition of opposition teams lists, Parkins dossiers on players became null and void and Britts had lost his usual platform to perform off.

that assuming that britts used parkins dossiers on opposition players. And you know what they say, never assume, cause you'll make an A$$ out of U and ME.

This is not an insult. I feel as though i have to put this at the bottom of every one of my posts, as you could take it any way. Again, i'm not reffering to you sexuality when i say "take it any way", gees this is neverending.

 

[godsmack]

Originally posted by BlueBoy83
are u sure ur not related to brits?? lol only kidding ....

well he's done a great job at tigerland hasn't he .... id take pagan any day!!!!

last time i checked he wasn't the coach at the tigers, but i could be mistaken, cause you seem to know a lot more about football then what i do.

you have no choice in the matter, we'll leave the pagan thing until he he has come to the end of his contract, as i was told was appropriate.

Again, this is not a anti pagan post.

 

[Jimmae]

Look can I please make this clear: what happened when Brittan was left with injuries to a few key players? What happened when a game looked like it might blow out?

He got his blokes to flood flood and flood... he had no answers. When the time came for him to answer questions, he was like a school boy who had spent the night before laughing at how easy his test was going to be.

Staring at the question mark.

 

[Free Willy]

Hmmm perhaps you prove a valid point.........
Brittain could be an excellent coach.

All he needs is another opportunity.................& Parkin, or someone else of his ilk sitting in the coaching box as his "silent partner" holding his hand & leading the horse to water.

Of greater concern is the (litterally) "Million $ Question" - Will Kouta come back & play footy with some longevity & with the required impact that would justify his pay packet.
Gee - I hope so, it will make us a much much better unit.
I say that with the greatest amount of hope & optimism, rather than confidence.
Then again - Chris Grant looked gone for a while, so I suppose "hope" is all we have to hold onto at this stage.

Supposing Kouta is not right & clearly cant play with great effect or week in - week out, (Gee it kills me to say this next part...) I hope he will retire at seasons end, stay involved with the club.
In this scenario it would enable us to free up some serious cash & trade for some top liners, perhaps a KPP or Ruckman.

The best case scenario is that Kouta pulls on the boots in a couple of weeks & eases himself back in & finishes off the season in top gear with a BOG against the Pies.

 

[stokesy]

If Kouta doesn't play against Sydney, his gone.

 

[godsmack]

Originally posted by Free Willy
Hmmm perhaps you prove a valid point.........
Brittain could be an excellent coach.

All he needs is another opportunity.................& Parkin, or someone else of his ilk sitting in the coaching box as his "silent partner" holding his hand & leading the horse to water.

well what can io say to that. Parkin must have hated us with a passion to leave us in the hands of that hack....................

i think it's more like, brittain was left with nothing and tried to do his best with what he had. Having said that pagan had much more on the park last year, and achieved f##kall.

again this is not an anti pagan thread!!!!! i must stress that.

Supposing Kouta is not right & clearly cant play with great effect or week in - week out, (Gee it kills me to say this next part...) I hope he will retire at seasons end, stay involved with the club.
In this scenario it would enable us to free up some serious cash & trade for some top liners, perhaps a KPP or Ruckman.
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i think you should gert your head out , "the window" and smell the coffee. If you were in kouta's shoes, with a contract that was entered into in good faith, probably, up to your eyeballs in debt, "investing for the future", you'd forego your 1.3 a year, just so as to release the presure on the club??

i doubt it, no matter how much you love the club, it seems as thougfh the first opportunity that the club gets, it flicks you aside so i say, dream on willy.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Originally posted by godsmack
interesting. Considering that parkin is respected as an excellent coach, i doubt he would have recommended britts as coach, if he felt that he wasn't capable of doing a fantasic job. If you look at his record, he took over as head coach in 2000. Prior to that it was common knowledge that parkin was not the match day coach during the 1999 season.

1999 Runners up
2000 Prelim - would have been further if kouta didn't go down with a knee
2001 semi - would have at least been prelim if kouta didn't go down with a knee
2002 - wooden spoon. - injuries played a big part in this result.

call it a stinker if you'd like, but on this evidence, it show that britts was a very good first up coach, and he could have been remembered as getting a flag in his first year as coach, had things not gone the way they did.

Again i must stress that this is not a anti pagan thread.

I think Parkin said alot about his youth development policy qwhen he said last year and i quote "Carlton should trade their pick number 2 for N Brown, yopu can build a whole team around Brown. "

Trouble is he was 26 and Richmond sent their first round pick to the Doggies while they spend another year treading water and next year he is 27/28.

This football caper can be very brutal cant it Parks?????

 

[godsmack]

Originally posted by TheHeatleyStand
I think Parkin said alot about his youth development policy qwhen he said last year and i quote "Carlton should trade their pick number 2 for N Brown, yopu can build a whole team around Brown. "

Trouble is he was 26 and Richmond sent their first round pick to the Doggies while they spend another year treading water and next year he is 27/28.

This football caper can be very brutal cant it Parks?????

walker has not set the world on fire you know??

where as brown in a team like carlton would have fit in beautifully at the feet of fev and whitts

don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

 

[Jimmae]

We're talking about a mature ****.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Onfield, Brittain put us in this predicement with his list management. Disgraceful.

Ofcourse players such as Kouta, Beaumont, Murphy, Allan, etc loved him, under his guidence, they got away with BLUE MURDER.

 

[godsmack]

Originally posted by SurreyBlue
Onfield, Brittain put us in this predicement with his list management. Disgraceful.

Ofcourse players such as Kouta, Beaumont, Murphy, Allan, etc loved him, under his guidence, they got away with BLUE MURDER.

blue murdaer, which got us into a GF, prelim and semi, i'll also mention the woodenspoon, but that was due to injuries. If having the respect of your players, makes you an easy coach, well i'd rather have an easy coach, cause that's whats worked in the past.

again this is not an anti pagan post.