Roast Our Assistant Coaches

[TradeDraft]

There are More then Bucks as Coach(Though the Head One) so the Assistants are also have Blame in This.

Scott Burns is our Midfield Assistant Coach and our Midfield has been Nothing Close to what it's Capable of. I remember people saying he did a Terrible job with the West Coast Midfield

Steve Grace I think he been doing a better job then Matthew Lappin but still forwards look very ordinary and lost at times.

Ben Hart Defense most of the Year been a Joke with the Stupid Zone Crap. We do go men on men but when it works we go back to the Bloody Zone Crap.

Dale Tapping is the only good Coach we have

 

[Shaneprice97]

We need a full clean out to enter a new era.

 

[TradeDraft]

We need a full clean out to enter a new era.

The Footy Department does need a Clean Out

 

[1892]

Tapping aside, it's difficult to say what our assistant coaches bring without being inside the club. Seemingly Buckley staying on is a given, so a ruck coach, development manager and review of our coaching panel and fitness department should be the off field priorities. Are there any experienced high calibre assistant coaches available?

 

[doodles98]

Have we worked out the shafting order yet? Will Ed be doing the "boning"? I believe he's our "boning" specialist.

 

[Vicky Park]

Tapping is an interesting one. The VFL team has improved each year under him, assuming we finish higher than 2015. At face value, he has coached extremely well. He has aided the development of young senior-listed players, including some very raw talent (e.g Sier); instilled a winning VFL culture despite a revolving door of VFL players each year; had seniors pulled early or held over from games at the last minute; and had to play guys like Gault and Golds when, with respect to those two, there may have been better options elsewhere at VFL level. All this with assistance from Tarks and Rocca, who are criticised on here.

There was a rumour Tapping had an offer from another club at the end of 2015, but opted to stay. With his success so far this year, he will be sought after. I hope we hold onto him, and maybe it is time for him to step up to a senior assistant role.

 

[jmac70]

Tapping is an interesting one. The VFL team has improved each year under him, assuming we finish higher than 2015. At face value, he has coached extremely well. He has aided the development of young senior-listed players, including some very raw talent (e.g Sier); instilled a winning VFL culture despite a revolving door of VFL players each year; had seniors pulled early or held over from games at the last minute; and had to play guys like Gault and Golds when, with respect to those two, there may have been better options elsewhere at VFL level. All this with assistance from Tarks and Rocca, who are criticised on here.

There was a rumour Tapping had an offer from another club at the end of 2015, but opted to stay. With his success so far this year, he will be sought after. I hope we hold onto him, and maybe it is time for him to step up to a senior assistant role.

Tapping is also a mad Collingwood supporter.

 

[Babylove]

There are More then Bucks as Coach(Though the Head One) so the Assistants are also have Blame in This.

Scott Burns is our Midfield Assistant Coach and our Midfield has been Nothing Close to what it's Capable of. I remember people saying he did a Terrible job with the West Coast Midfield

Steve Grace I think he been doing a better job then Matthew Lappin but still forwards look very ordinary and lost at times.

Ben Hart Defense most of the Year been a Joke with the Stupid Zone Crap. We do go men on men but when it works we go back to the Bloody Zone Crap.

Dale Tapping is the only good Coach we have

To be fair I think there are promising signs in both the defence and midfield lines. The defence and midfield have probably had the biggest change in personal either through recruitment or injury, but both have good albeit it has taken them time to gel as a group.

The defence has been our strongest line in the back half of the year, and has good depth with Goldsack, Williams and Toovey all spending a lot of time at VFL level and Ramsey, Scharenberg and Langdon spending most of the year injured.

The midfield has good depth as well and has gotten better as the year has gone on as well. They do need more consistency on the defensive side of the game and better forward entries though. And Grundy has gone from strength to strength and has taken some pretty big scalps in the second half of the year.

The biggest problem with both these lines is the age of the core of them and will get better the more pre seasons they get.

The forward line is the biggest concern. To often it simply doesn't function. Some blame can go to the quality of forward entries from the mids and backs, but it is just not cohesive enough often enough. There have been some positive individual performances but as a group it's been disappointing.

I have no problem with cleaning out the coaches though and getting some new talent and ideas into the place.

 

[frizzle]

I hope that whoever coaches us next gets to pick all his own assistant coaches & wipe the slate clean.
Same with development coaches. Get the best there is & not gift roles to our ex players.

 

[Vicky Park]

We need to be a club where assistant coaches want to go. Our facilities must surely be attractive, and knowing we have the resources to stay at the forefront in that regard. Our list must also be attractive, with in the next 1-2 years many of our younger players starting to hit the sweet spot in terms of age, games played and experience. We have a strong board, and the highest media profile. Anything else? What about our central location, and an allocated parking space! Gotta be better than Seaford or Essendon.

So what is holding us back from attracting the best? For years I've been referring to Bucks' loyalty to his assistants, and the general lack of turnover. Is his loyalty misplaced? Is Bucks himself the problem? Do the best assistants want to learn under the best coaches? I also think we need to add a more highly experienced coach to the team. Whatever you think of Rocket, we were performing better when he was around as Director of Coaching*, in Bucks first two years as senior coach (2012-3). Rocket was then moved to the job that Balme eventually took.

*Edit: I've just checked Wikipedia and Rocket held the position of 'Football and Coaching Strategist' from October 2011 until the end of 2013. Maybe we need to revisit this role?

A lot of this comes down to Football Department spending, and paying the tax on exceeding the limit. But I'm with many others on this - surely we can pay the tax, if it benefits our club?

 

[jmac70]

We need to be a club where assistant coaches want to go. Our facilities must surely be attractive, and knowing we have the resources to stay at the forefront in that regard. Our list must also be attractive, with in the next 1-2 years many of our younger players starting to hit the sweet spot in terms of age, games played and experience. We have a strong board, and the highest media profile. Anything else? What about our central location, and an allocated parking space! Gotta be better than Seaford or Essendon.

So what is holding us back from attracting the best? For years I've been referring to Bucks' loyalty to his assistants, and the general lack of turnover. Is his loyalty misplaced? Is Bucks himself the problem? Do the best assistants want to learn under the best coaches? I also think we need to add a more highly experienced coach to the team. Whatever you think of Rocket, we were performing better when he was around as Director of Coaching*, in Bucks first two years as senior coach (2012-3). Rocket was then moved to the job that Balme eventually took.

*Edit: I've just checked Wikipedia and Rocket held the position of 'Football and Coaching Strategist' from October 2011 until the end of 2013. Maybe we need to revisit this role?

A lot of this comes down to Football Department spending, and paying the tax on exceeding the limit. But I'm with many others on this - surely we can pay the tax, if it benefits our club?

Pert will not pay that tax. The football department have to operate within their budget.

 

[Vicky Park]

Pert will not pay that tax. The football department have to operate within their budget.

Do you know why jmac? Is it so contentious? Also wondering if other clubs pay the tax.

 

[jmac70]

Do you know why jmac? Is it so contentious? Also wondering if other clubs pay the tax.

Pert's focus is on revenue.

 

[Vicky Park]

Pert's focus is on revenue.

That's all well and good, and Pert no doubt has KPIs and budgets to meet, but at the expense of us being a better footy team? I'd like to know the $numbers. Are we not exceeding the limit in order to avoid paying how much tax? $500k? Half of that would surely net us a top tier ruck coach, to work full time with Grundy.

(p.s. hope Pert doesn't get a bonus for bringing the footy department spend in on or under budget, to avoid the tax, while the team's performance languishes)

 

[bucksisbest]

I suspect league wide we would be seen as having the second worst coaching/football department after Brisbane.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Just make tapping the Seniors coach and let him pick his crew. Clear out everyone else.

 

[Roverjg]

All other clubs are able to have appropriate structures and coaches (incl. an appropriate ruck coach) in place and fall under the football dept. salary cap (Hawks, Swans, Geelong, Crows etc) and without the benefit of high draft picks and not bottom out. Why can't we?

Do we have too many people in roles that provide no value add or do we have too many jobs for the boys that are not qualified for the job or is Bucks ensuring he is the biggest bull in the paddock? Having the best resources in the AFL is not going to bring qualified people to the club if we are being stifled for success because of poor structural set-up, player list and outlook.

 

[BPikkers]

A new coach brings with him a new team. I'm sure Tapping will be a part of the makeup given he would have invaluable insight into the players. He should be rewarded for his performance.

 

[Mkcaptain]

Pert will not pay that tax. The football department have to operate within their budget.

I think I read somewhere (probably here) that lots of Legends members told the club they'd drop their memberships any of their money ended up at other clubs

 

[Go Woods]

Burnsy - Gone!
Harvey - Gone!
Hart - Gone!
Keep Tapping and elevate into defensive assistant role.
Grace - ???????
Love to see Luke Hodge *if he retires come into assistant midfield role.
Go after Brett Rattan as Senior assistant to Bucks....

 

[Babylove]

Pert will not pay that tax. The football department have to operate within their budget.

To be fair that is a smart business decision and you'd be hard pressed to find a CEO who would make a different one. Pert's responsibility is to keep the club viable financially, which gives us the money to do a lot and ensure we an afford to spend the max cap available.

 

[HFF]

Major overhaul of the entire backroom staff.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Have we worked out the shafting order yet? Will Ed be doing the "boning"? I believe he's our "boning" specialist.

I think Ed is busy doing water sports

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Tapping is an interesting one. The VFL team has improved each year under him, assuming we finish higher than 2015. At face value, he has coached extremely well. He has aided the development of young senior-listed players, including some very raw talent (e.g Sier); instilled a winning VFL culture despite a revolving door of VFL players each year; had seniors pulled early or held over from games at the last minute; and had to play guys like Gault and Golds when, with respect to those two, there may have been better options elsewhere at VFL level. All this with assistance from Tarks and Rocca, who are criticised on here.

There was a rumour Tapping had an offer from another club at the end of 2015, but opted to stay. With his success so far this year, he will be sought after. I hope we hold onto him, and maybe it is time for him to step up to a senior assistant role.

Really nicely said

 

[Saintly Viewed]

To be fair I think there are promising signs in both the defence and midfield lines. The defence and midfield have probably had the biggest change in personal either through recruitment or injury, but both have good albeit it has taken them time to gel as a group.

The defence has been our strongest line in the back half of the year, and has good depth with Goldsack, Williams and Toovey all spending a lot of time at VFL level and Ramsey, Scharenberg and Langdon spending most of the year injured.

The midfield has good depth as well and has gotten better as the year has gone on as well. They do need more consistency on the defensive side of the game and better forward entries though. And Grundy has gone from strength to strength and has taken some pretty big scalps in the second half of the year.

The biggest problem with both these lines is the age of the core of them and will get better the more pre seasons they get.

The forward line is the biggest concern. To often it simply doesn't function. Some blame can go to the quality of forward entries from the mids and backs, but it is just not cohesive enough often enough. There have been some positive individual performances but as a group it's been disappointing.

I have no problem with cleaning out the coaches though and getting some new talent and ideas into the place.

Valid points re forwards.
The group that's been mostly dissapointing.
Let's call it.
Moore is not ready yet, in truth he's a work in progress. Still a while away from being elite level quality.
Cloke has slumped, for whatever reason, he's just not productive enough. Maybe he's done, maybe not, but it kills.
Cox offered something but is in reality a back up ruck who can pluck a few (kicks well) but far from dominating.
Fasolo had a break out year but injury has curtailed the last bit but he's at least back.
We don't have Elliot (huge loss, will he be back next year?) that hurts.
Maybe Swan could have assisted on ocassion up forward? We don't seem to have a dominant big type forward, seeing the aforesaid Cloke is in a slump.
White, been ok but not going to be a long term great forward.

Be nice in time with Moore getting up to speed, surrounded by Elliot and Fasolo...