Outcoached

[Tigerland]

Not panicking yet but a few worrying points....

We were outcoached by a mile. A very bad performance tonight by Terry & Co. A great job this year but too worried about the cameras tonight perhaps. I don't know who did the analysis on melbourne but they sure got it wrong.

Tivendale on Daivey? - Surprised we wern't pumped by 100 points.

Pettifer was a shocker ..... every time he gets the balll he kicks to a 50/50. He never finds a lead or player alone. He stands at the wrong position at the fall of the ball. He's a front and centre forward and that's where he should be.

Gasper..... Just forget tonight. Worst game for the year - hopefully just a blemish. More Wallace's fault for bad matchups.

Kraks..... The more I see the more I think... trade him. He does a few handy things.. But watch his opponent - always attacking and rebounding.

Simmonds.... Needs to start to show something. When 40 metres out kick it 60 metres into the stands not try and guide it through. Needs to smarten up -makes bad decisions.

Schultz..... back to coburg son.

Too Rich conscious again............. Can't do that against the Eagles.

 

[Thrice3]

We just didn't have the classy players, simple.
We didnt have the right players to matchup well on this team, I don't blame TW but Tivendale on Davey, WTF?
Our classy players consist of Richo, Brown and Coughlan.
Theirs Yze, Green, Bruce, Johnstone(to a certain degree) Davey etc. With players like Chaffey and Tivendale in the side we're going to be 2 players short on the field against the top sides.

 

[Terry Tan]

Ease up guys - Melbourne were on fire tonight kicking all sorts of snaps and off the ground goals. They were really hungry and hard and everything went their way. No team would have beat them tonight.

 

[Thrice3]

I wouldn't under estimate this side either, they did humiliate Geelong by 40pts.

 

[Stafford678]

Rearly missing Stafford

he gives us that solid target at the top of the sqaure, and he usualy allways gets a mismatch

 

[CJH]

Wrong game plan.

We were never going to match them in a shoot out. They have too many skilled runners through the middle. This is there biggest strength

Our biggest strength (even now) is our ability to win the contested ball. This is not the strength we played to. We were too concerned at running the ball through the middle and not enough at crushing them at the contest.

We have Johnston, Cogs and Tuck in the middle. Not many sides can match 3 key inside players in the middle. Our game plan this year should be close the game up, play the contests and kill them on the break.

The fact is that sides like Geelong and Melbourne are far more even and skilled through the middle and even though this is where we want to be, this is not were we are at.

Watch me cut and paster these comments into another thread...

 

[jko'neal]

Ease up guys - Melbourne were on fire tonight kicking all sorts of snaps and off the ground goals. They were really hungry and hard and everything went their way. No team would have beat them tonight.

Agreed,shocking side to match up on Melbourne they just have guys running all over the shop and when things go right for them they kick goals from out of their arse!.Great team when on fire the "D's" if we was ever going to flood tonight was the night.

 

[Croat tiger]

i was thinking along the same lines,didn't wallace beat the almighty powerful 2000 bombers by playing a flooding game rather than playing an attacking one which won them the game.sometimes you have to resort to ugly football if the other team has a strong forward line structure to win a game even if it's not pretty football.

 

[bluehouse]

Chaffey and Tivendale concern me - and campbell - are we goig for the premiership this season? if we are then he can't be selected - if it is next year then that's fine we will carry him for the rest of the year

 

[CJH]

i was thinking along the same lines,didn't wallace beat the almighty powerful 2000 bombers by playing a flooding game rather than playing an attacking one which won them the game.sometimes you have to resort to ugly football if the other team has a strong forward line structure to win a game even if it's not pretty football.

While we are doing well, let nobody be in doubt that we are in a development year. Tonight was again a part of the education of our players to know where the standard is at.

 

[Stafford678]

Chaffey and Tivendale concern me - and campbell - are we goig for the premiership this season? if we are then he can't be selected - if it is next year then that's fine we will carry him for the rest of the year

Ok this is one critisim i have of our list/youngsters

if you look at our side

apart from the injured Stafford and Suspended Hall, Rory Hilton is the only other experianced player who wasn't in the team , Morrison has played a handfull of games and been around for a number of years but, i think its important that we have some 80+ game players in our team

and unfortantly we can't exactly drop tivendale and chaffey, i think chaffey hasnt been too bad but tivendale geee he ********s me up the wall

Last year we got rid of and rightly so, marsh, fletcher, fleming,houlihan, blumfield and some others that have played a fair few games

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Just a bad match all round from the 1st minute of the game till the end.

No point trying to figure out where we lost it IMO everything that went wrong did go wrong.

 

[Wajalla]

Some of you guys are being a bit harsh. Just remember, this is the wooden spoon side of 2004 with lots of new players in a the team. We cannot expect to go from Wooden spoon to top 4 in 1 year. Sure we got pumped but by a team who is classy and played finals football regularly over the last few years. Give Terry and the boys a break and be greatful we have just about doubled our wins from 2004 - thats nearly a 100% improvemnet in that area. GIVE THEM TIME

 

[wagstaff]

Chaffey and Tivendale concern me - and campbell - are we goig for the premiership this season? if we are then he can't be selected - if it is next year then that's fine we will carry him for the rest of the year

Campbell has done some good work at stoppages this season and is still an excellent shot at goal, but he's the last player I want to see with the ball on the half-forward line. Usually takes eons to dispose the ball in search of the perfect pass and invariably passes it off to a one-on-one contest 45 metres out on the boundary.

Tivendale is Tivendale. I've generally been a fan of him but it wouldn't surprise if he was squeezed out of this side in the not too-distant future. A problem with his kicking I've noticed is that while they can be bullet-like they have no trajectory on them. Too often they are so travelling so low that opposition players can easily come across and cut them off.

As for Chaffey, this is somewhat third-hand information, but I heard that one of the opposition players he was supposed to tag earlier this season was surprised at how easily he was able slip Chaffey and how weak he was in the physical stakes.

 

[sante]

Rearly missing Stafford

he gives us that solid target at the top of the sqaure, and he usualy allways gets a mismatch

We need Stafford back for the rest of the season. He is excellent up forward for us.

 

[Harpoon]

Ok, I'm not normally good commenting about individual players, positional play and tactics (I think I will have to start watching more closely), but in terms of the individual effort of Simmonds, would it be fair to comment that I perceive him as being potentially as frustrating as Ben Holland when he played for us? Not that I was ever that disappointed with Holland to be honest.

Harp.

 

[Harpoon]

Just a bad match all round from the 1st minute of the game till the end.

No point trying to figure out where we lost it IMO everything that went wrong did go wrong.

That's a keen observation there PRR mate, "everything that went wrong did go wrong"! Don't you mean everything that "could've gone wrong did go wrong?"!

Just had to catch u out there mate, 'twas too funny to ignore, sorry

Harp.

 

[sante]

It was just that everyone had an off night. TW wasn't really out coached. Because it was his decision to put Gaspar on Yze, not Daniher's.

 

[Hawk Dork]

He needed to move Gaspar and Graham and didnt.

 

[tigerT]

big build up, friday nite footy, 3rd vs 4th, roof closed, 45k, on the back of several wins in a row, and were down 5 goals to zip in 11 minutes F.UCK!!!!

like someone said earlier, it was just one of thos bloody games where the opposition is red hot and everything they do works out. wen u see ben holland beating graham on the lead for pace u know ur having a bad night. We fought bravely but we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot, shoot for goal to hit the front, miss from 30 meters, rebound goal to the dees. 12 point turnaround.. lets move on and get ready to belt the weagles


I will say a good learning curve for the boys, we tried a shootout against probably the best corridor front running side in the comp and were found wanting, keep plugging away, were sh.itloads better than last season already

 

[Crumden]

Daniher did a good job shaking the tags early on. EG we had Hyde starting on a wing then running into the centre to tag Johnstone, but Johnstone was running from the centre to the other wing, so Hyde was always trying to catch up to him and it gave Johnstone some space. The space Melbourne's midfielders were able to create in the first 10 minutes let them cut us to pieces.

Gaspar wasn't a good matchup for Yze, just as he wasn't a good matchup for Williams earlier in the season. While Gaspar and Kellaway are good when playing to their strengths, they are not particularly versatile. In some ways we may have been better off if Neitz played. Sheedy used to sometimes play a small forward line against us to create similar mismatches. With the success of smaller forwards this year we need to develop someone who can take them on.

Graham wasn't a particularly good matchup on Holland, but then on paper he wasn't on Brown the week before. Just shows that because something works one week doesn't mean it will work the next. But with both Hall and Stafford out it was possibly our best bet if we wanted to keep our structure in place.

Tivendale was burnt off for pace against Davey, but other than that I don't think he played as badly as a lot of people are suggesting. Not many others would have kept up with Davey either. Deledio maybe, but do you rob Peter to pay Paul?

At the end of the day, we have been able to come from behind in a couple of games because we kept attacking and refused to just contain a loss. The same strategy that has got us over the line in a few also leaves us open to blowouts. I'd still prefer to keep playing to win rather than flooding to contain a loss.