party alliance

[bunsen burner]

What is it with people who align themselves with a major particular political parties and absolutely would not consider voting for the other one? It seems most of these people have been brought up in either a Liberal or Labor following household and have never questioned the relevance of taking such a one sided stance.

In generations gone by, there was a very distinguishable difference for what Labor and Liberal stood for. This is why people developed set-in-stone support for either party. Over time, these distinguishable differences have been watered down. It is more appropriate these days to support the candidate who you think has the better all-round package (policies, leadership, trust, reliability etc). The party that they represent shouldn't be the only factor anymore. In fact the party they represent should only have a small bearing on who a person votes for.

So why do people take what their parents have drilled into them as gospel? Why do these people not question it? Things do change over time and people who get stuck in past generations are usually out of date and often misinformed. People should change with the times.

Obviously I voted option 4.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
What is it with people who align themselves with a major particular political parties and absolutely would not consider voting for the other one? It seems most of these people have been brought up in either a Liberal or Labor following household and have never questioned the relevance of taking such a one sided stance.

In generations gone by, there was a very distinguishable difference for what Labor and Liberal stood for. This is why people developed set-in-stone support for either party. Over time, these distinguishable differences have been watered down. It is more appropriate these days to support the candidate who you think has the better all-round package (policies, leadership, trust, reliability etc). The party that they represent shouldn't be the only factor anymore. In fact the party they represent should only have a small bearing on who a person votes for.

So why do people take what their parents have drilled into them as gospel? Why do these people not question it? Things do change over time and people who get stuck in past generations are usually out of date and often misinformed. People should change with the times.

Obviously I voted option 4.

I'm a Liberal voter. I've always been a Liberal voter. The party appeals to me more than the others. It might have something to do with how successful they've been.

 

[bunsen burner]

Re: Re: party alliance

Originally posted by goaldrush
I'm a Liberal voter. I've always been a Liberal voter. The party appeals to me more than the others. It might have something to do with how successful they've been.

So you would never consider voting Labor? You mean you don't even need to follow what's going on because you think Liberal are unquestionably a better party?

 

[lioness]

Well I come from a pretty much Labor voting family, but come election time I usually sit down and see which party I agree with most. I try very hard not to blindly vote for the one party just because my family does.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Re: Re: Re: party alliance

Originally posted by bunsen burner
So you would never consider voting Labor? You mean you don't even need to follow what's going on because you think Liberal are unquestionably a better party?

Nope. I have always voted Liberal. I hate the Labor party.

 

[Sydneyfan]

I'm a swinging voter, tend to the left but am not blindly sided to one party. I think in the last 8 years since I've been allowed to vote I'm voted at various times for Labor, the Greens, the Democrats (regret that now) and Liberal (really, really regret that now, hey I was young ).

Yesterday, I voted for the Greens, largely as a protest vote and due to the fact that I don't particularly like Bob Carr but he's done quite a good job and I believe the incumbent had much more nous and mileage on the challenger. My electorate is a very strong Labor seat so my vote was never going to be too influential, funny in the past my electorate was the opposite, blue-blood country. It's interesting how at the moment Liberal are so strong at a Federal level yet Labor dominate at the State level.

 

[Rohan_]

I vote for Peter Costello.

Have always voted Liberal. Where I live is dominated by Liberal people and I come from a private school background.

Take a strong interest in economics as I have a degree in this area and can see how well the Liberals have economically changed this country for the better.

Labor = unions and teachers who wouldn't have a clue about economic rationalisation.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by Rohan_
I vote for Peter Costello.

Have always voted Liberal. Where I live is dominated by Liberal people and I come from a private school background.

You mean because you went to a private school you have to follow the rest and always vote Liberal? Or are you saying that private school people are above the rest and know better?

Either way, it makes you look pretty stupid.

Take a strong interest in economics as I have a degree in this area and can see how well the Liberals have economically changed this country for the better.

Yes, that is this govt, but doen't necessarily mean that all Liberal govts will be the same.

Although this is tangent to the point, I will bring it up to pre-empt others: Economic policy may not be everything - but that is a matter of opinion and as it is irrelevent to this argument, let's not go there.

Labor = unions and teachers who wouldn't have a clue about economic rationalisation.

Here you show your ignorance to changing times. It isn't that black and white anymore.

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Or are you saying that private school people are above the rest and know better?

Most likey.. no only kidding!

Most people support a party depending on their socio-economic status and background.

Here you show your ignorance to changing times. It isn't that black and white anymore.

The ALP is a joke and here (in Victoria) it hasn't changed much at all. The unions still have the power and the Government is led by a school teacher.

 

[Fred]

I've voted for most of them in the past. Don't remember politics ever being discussed at home while growing up so formed my own opinions.
I would probably be slightly on the liberal side overall but have voted labout more than once too.

Of the governments in my adult lifetime, Whitlam was by far the biggest disappointment. He had the opportunity to do so much but comprehensively blew it.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Rohan_

Here you show your ignorance to changing times. It isn't that black and white anymore.

The ALP is a joke and here (in Victoria) it hasn't changed much at all. The unions still have the power and the Government is led by a school teacher. [/QUOTE]

If you want a real joke - think Kirner. What irks me is that she is still asked her opinion on things although her government was a disaster. She has no credibility whatsoever.

 

[Unwritten_Law]

Option 4.

I'm from a traditional labor household.

BUT....

I'd vote Liberal in the national election. People do not think much of John Howard but can you imagine a country ran by Simon Crean or to lesser extent Kim Beazely T'would be a joke.

I'd vote Labor in state parliament. The liberal policy here is "errr...our policy is to disagree with Labor...we couldn't make up anything ourselves...we prefer to sling mud at other Liberal Candidates...oh hang on how about we bring football to Hobart..." Sort of sums up why they only just hold majority over the greens in parliament.

 

[otaku]

sounds like the liberals in NSW.

bunch of incompetant people, they are.

I voted option 4 in this poll and I am amazed at how blind some people are when it comes to politics *looks at Rohan*

However, i spose in a democracy, we can t just line people up against the wall because their views differ from ours....

 

[Port01]

Voted for Beasley last time, if there was an election tomorrow I'd probably vote informal.

Don't like Howard or the liberals or many of their policies.
Labor doesn't have any policies and Crean is hopeless.
Democrats and Greens have become totally irrelevant as alternatives, anyone whos sole target is the protest vote needs to be shot.

 

[Goldenblue]

Re: Re: party alliance

Originally posted by goaldrush
I'm a Liberal voter. I've always been a Liberal voter. The party appeals to me more than the others. It might have something to do with how successful they've been.

Libs always successful?

I guess you were not around in the 80s when they were a rabble? I guess you also can not understand why they are not in power in any State government?

If the federal ALP had any credibility, I doubt that they (the Libs) would be in power federally either.


BTW: Swinging voter here, and good thread BB.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Re: Re: Re: party alliance

Originally posted by Goldenblue
Libs always successful?

I guess you were not around in the 80s when they were a rabble? I guess you also can not understand why they are not in power in any State government?

If the federal ALP had any credibility, I doubt that they (the Libs) would be in power federally either.


BTW: Swinging voter here, and good thread BB.

I was around in the 80's, just wasn't old enough to vote. Labor wasn't that good either.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Rohan_
I vote for Peter Costello.

Have always voted Liberal. Where I live is dominated by Liberal people and I come from a private school background.

Take a strong interest in economics as I have a degree in this area and can see how well the Liberals have economically changed this country for the better.

Labor = unions and teachers who wouldn't have a clue about economic rationalisation.

I vote Liberal too, but then you look at someone like Tony Blair (Labour) who would have to be the best political leader on the planet, and it makes you wonder how anyone could vote for the opposition. He has changed the perception of "labour."

 

[DaveW]

Labour man. Have only voted in two elections - one federal, one state. Would like to say I'm a swinging voter but I just can't see myself ever voting for those Liberal w@nkers in the near future.

 

[Goldenblue]

Re: Re: Re: Re: party alliance

Originally posted by goaldrush
I was around in the 80's, just wasn't old enough to vote. Labor wasn't that good either.

If they weren't that good, why did they keep the Libs out of power for 13 years?

 

[knuckles]

Re: Re: Re: party alliance

Originally posted by Goldenblue
Libs always successful?

I guess you were not around in the 80s when they were a rabble? I guess you also can not understand why they are not in power in any State government?

If the federal ALP had any credibility, I doubt that they (the Libs) would be in power federally either.


BTW: Swinging voter here, and good thread BB.

I would say the reason the ALP dominate at state levels, is that the line of demarkation b/w both parties is so vague, that the ALP are seen as a safer "Right" party. Having said that, there's no reason the Libs won't be in power in all states in 8 years, and ALP at federal....its become that way.

As a total package, Howard/Costello don't have a serious challenger. Not just because they are good at the art of politics, but they are good at what they do.

BTW, I don't vote b/c I don't think it should be compulsory. But that's another issue.

 

[Goldenblue]

Re: Re: Re: Re: party alliance

Originally posted by knuckles
Having said that, there's no reason the Libs won't be in power in all states in 8 years, and ALP at federal....its become that way.

Libs in NSW and Vic are a rabble, dont see them in power in the near future.

In both States, I think they simply lack the talent.

In WA, I think there will be a change of leadership here with the WA Libs. Barnett simply does not have the backing of his party members.

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by Dan26
but then you look at someone like Tony Blair (Labour) who would have to be the best political leader on the planet, and it makes you wonder how anyone could vote for the opposition. He has changed the perception of "labour."

I was reading some press that states that Blair will be lucky to survive the next election.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Rohan_
I was reading some press that states that Blair will be lucky to survive the next election.

Speaking of survival, I hope you haven't got next weeks posts planned out - it'd be a shame to waste all that time.

 

[TheFoxhat]

I am not a sheep like a lot of people tend to be on this to be on this subject .
I tend to vote for local issues,the things that really count in where,like what will you do for me......
Not just the issues the media float to get a reaction ...

BTW i chose number 4 because i don't want to encourage the BA$*****.....

I would really like the major parties to come up with some original policies for a change instead of using outdated policies from the past......

 

[NakedDeadGuy]

Originally posted by DaveW
Labour man. Have only voted in two elections - one federal, one state. Would like to say I'm a swinging voter but I just can't see myself ever voting for those Liberal w@nkers in the near future.

I started off exactly the same, didn't even have to think about it. Unionist, vote Labor.
The general softness of Beazley and the snivelling whinger Crean have changed my mind. Nowadays I vote for the party that offers the best 'what's in it for me?' policies. Saying that, in no way whatsoever could I envisage voting for the current Labor party. I'd rather be flogged to within inches of my life with a knotted rope and have electrodes attached to my genitals than vote for Greens. Simply by lack of a viable alternative, for me it looks like Liberal or informal.