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Hey,

I was trawling through some old stats and I saw that in 1989, Paul Hawke had 492 disposals in 19 games for Collingwood, finished 7th in the Browlow and was runner up in the B & F.

Prior to that, he spent about 4 years at Sydney racking up 20 disposals per game

After that 1989 season, Hawke didn't play again for Collingwood, bobbing up only to play 1 game for Sydney in 1991.

Anyone remember why, after seemingly a seemingly very impressive 1989, Hawke was a no-show in your premiership year?

Apologies if you have a thread for this sort of question, I couldn't find it.
 
Easy explanation, injuries. Even before coming to Collingwood Hawke was injury prone, and while he had a very good (and injury free) 1989 the rest of his career was ruined by soft tissue injuries I believe.
 
So amazingly we won our premiership missing our leading goalkicker in BT and our runner up in the best and fairest from the previous year.
 

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Had a stellar first season with the pies and then literally dropped off the planet, injuries obviously played a part but he seemed to lose the desire/hunger after one brilliant year.
 
mattys123 said:
Easy explanation, injuries. Even before coming to Collingwood Hawke was injury prone, and while he had a very good (and injury free) 1989 the rest of his career was ruined by soft tissue injuries I believe.
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I read somewhere that he played out 1990 in the reserves. Just found it all fascinating.
 
TiAn_ said:
I read somewhere that he played out 1990 in the reserves. Just found it all fascinating.
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I'm pretty sure he returned late in the year from injury (going off memory here) and then couldn't break into a side that went on to win the flag, and was an emergency for the grand final itself, so he did get close to getting a game in the big one.
 
Yeah he was an emergency but not really any chance to play from memory, with the 2 other emergencies in McKeown and Richardson being far better chances. I think Richardson failed a fitness test actually.
 
Kirby said:
Yeah he was an emergency but not really any chance to play from memory, with the 2 other emergencies in McKeown and Richardson being far better chances. I think Richardson failed a fitness test actually.
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Yeah Leigh put Richo through the ringer during the week, it was an AC or a collar bone that was the issue, he survived Leighs first tests then woke up on the Thursday and could hardly move, he pulled the pin then, they had a thing on tele a few months back about the 1990 GF, explained it all in that.

He would have played if fit though.
 
Soul_Pie said:
So amazingly we won our premiership missing our leading goalkicker in BT and our runner up in the best and fairest from the previous year.
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That is amazing! Shows how 1990 really was getting the right mix in the team, not all stars. In fact really our only 'superstar' would've been Daicos? Next would've been Rowdy and Shawry. All the rest were just hard working players who got the best out of themselves.
 
Millane was no battler son.

The likes of Monkhurst, Morwood, Wright, Russell and Francis were all pretty handy too.
 
Kirby said:
Millane was no battler son.

The likes of Monkhurst, Morwood, Wright, Russell and Francis were all pretty handy too.
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I'll add Micky McGuane to that list.
 
Adding Russell and Franics to the side killed any chance he had of getting a game. No spot for him.
 

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Kirby said:
Millane was no battler son.

The likes of Monkhurst, Morwood, Wright, Russell and Francis were all pretty handy too.
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Millane won the MVP in 1990 didn't he?
 
Off topic, the '90 GF dock on 7, where Lethal apparently shoved a concussed Rowdy Brown's head into the wire down the race, while yelling "The kid's coming back" at Terry Daniher, is about the greatest thing I've ever seen.

Paul Hawke I do remember doing some good things in '89. But my memory of yesterday is shady at best, so '89? I'm kidding myself.
 
Jelly Bean said:
Exactly. Wright runner up in brown low that year by 1 vote. And millane won aflpa MVP that year.
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The memories of pants standing on the boundary with the ball held aloft in sheer triumph are bittersweet now, but my enduring memory of that game was seeing Darren Bewick run down from behind in the second quarter. It lifted the whole team and we went on to glory.
 

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jonbe54 said:
The memories of pants standing on the boundary with the ball held aloft in sheer triumph are bittersweet now, but my enduring memory of that game was seeing Darren Bewick run down from behind in the second quarter. It lifted the whole team and we went on to glory.
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Scotty Russell ?? Tackle ?
 
I can remember Hawke's first year at Collingwood, I think 1988. I was in the market for a new hero at the time and was close to taking him on board. He just had this real presence and confidence and I thought he would be a great player for us. I also got from St. Pat's the word that Mick McGuane had wanted number 4 in the senior team but it had already been given to Hawke as part of the transition from his former club (Sydney?) where he'd worn that number. McGuane wore #4 for St. Pat's but in this case was forced to settle for #34 for the Pies.

One year later I found my new hero, Gavin Brown and by 1990 I forgot about Hawke (how fickle we are!). I was just thinking on the question and it occured that Hawke was taken by the Pies to add to our midfield but then in 1990 we picked up Francis and Russell from South Australia. I suspect these two probably kept him out of the side (as well as his injuries), they were younger, faster and possibly hungrier at the time. Certainly they were the ingredient that helped take us to the flag that year. I'm hoping drafting South Aussies this year will be a good omen!

In the mid 2000's I taught Paul Hawke's daughter and remembered him again. In his day he was a fair player.
 
What I remember about 1990 was how tough we were as a side and individually. Millane, Shaw, Brown, Kelly, Manson, Crosisca, Banks, Kerrison, Monkhorst, Francis all had varying levels of fierceness and aggression. We had some class in Barwick, Morwood, Daicos, Russell, Wright, Brown, McGuane and of course Millane. People forget it took Buckley to thrash Carey at CHB and choose pies over Port before he was universally loved by fans. His problem is as good as he was he did not influence games with his physcial presence like Millane.

There were players deserving of a spot Hawke was probably one and being a touch on the slow side was really in competition with Shaw. McKeown to me was a gun full back and perfect swingman to chuck up forward, Brendan Tranter was talented and at another club probably would have played 200 games. Heath Shepherd and terry Keays oozed talent but lacked commitment. Alan Richardson and BT were unlucky. BT kept us in the game against the Coast which we drew with an important goal.

We also probably had the unluckiest player ever to not play a game for the Pies in Michael Sinni. He ended up winning the Liston Medal in 1993 for Prahran (i think under BT as coach). Other names around the same time include Mark Orval, Andrew tarpey (much maligned but i thought could have been something), Athas hrysoulakis (poor mans Daicos), Jason Croall, Colin Alexander(goal sneak), Darren Saunders.
 
IIRC Croall was captain of the 1986 Under 19's premiership side that formed the basis of our 1990 senior premiership side, playing alongside Brown Monkhorst MvGUane and Crosisca. He had some talent.

By all accounts Orval was the most talented of the lot. I saw his sons name floating around as a posssible draft pick this year, dont know if he was picked up but hope he has the career his old man never had. (edit...theres a kid called Dylan Orval on the Crows rookie list. I assume thats him, picked up last year)
 
wednesdaywarrior said:
I was just thinking on the question and it occured that Hawke was taken by the Pies to add to our midfield but then in 1990 we picked up Francis and Russell from South Australia. I suspect these two probably kept him out of the side (as well as his injuries), they were younger, faster and possibly hungrier at the time. Certainly they were the ingredient that helped take us to the flag that year. I'm hoping drafting South Aussies this year will be a good omen!
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There is NO chance we would have won the premiership without Russell and Francis. In 88 and 89 we were struggling with Shaw and Kerrison forming the worst roving combination in the competition, basically playing as taggers.
 
Last time I saw Paul was six years ago. He owned a pub in Mooroopna (near Shepparton). Think he played with Wagga in 1993 before going to Tatura in the GVFL in 1994. He had a very good career in the GVFL after his AFL career finished. He coached Tatura to the 1995 flag and then spent time with the Shepparton Swans. Really nice guy.
 

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