Opinion Pendles vs Selwood

[Nicco_jj]

I almost made this a roast thread... But I am extremely biast so I thought opinion was better!

The key question that needs addressing is; why is Pendles talked up by the media yet STILL seems to be rated behind Selwood and others when they compare them?
Just the other night on AFL 360 they compared Judd, Pendles, Selwood and Fyfe in their first 100 games. They all agreed that Judd was the best, but also seemed to basically dismiss Pendles as being the next rung down after Judd, Selwood and Fyfe.

Why? Is it possible that this gun of a player is STILL underrated? What else does he have to do?

Pendles is currently the number 1 ranked AFL player officially through the AFL Rankings system. Ablett is next, and would be first if not for his injury. Selwood is third, but looks as though he'll lose his spot to Fyfe soon.

The only stat that Selwood leads Pendles in is contested possession. Which is fine... They're different types of players. And that is exactly my issue; if they are both absolute premium players and are both very different, how then can Selwood be rated higher than Pendles by the general public? I wouldn't care if people thought that they were equals or equally as valuable... But to hear the consensus that one is far better than the other is nonsense.

I don't have time right now to post both their achievements (if someone else could that'd be great). But I looked at them yesterday and they're very even. Pendles has been all Australian more, and has won a norm Smith. Whilst Selwood has been runner up in the Brownlow and has been in 2 more Premierships.


What do YOU think?

 

[mattys123]

Because he's a Collingwood player, it's simple really.

As we saw with Dunstall and Brown's commentary on Saturday, no matter how hard the media try to act unbiased when it comes to us, they can't.

Everyone grows up hating us, so they hate our players and through that bias want to down grade our club, our players and their achievements at every step.

It's just part of the deal, that those from other clubs, while they maybe not as good as a Pendlebury, Swan or Cloke, will be rated higher because they aren't Collingwood players.

 

[PepperFace]

I dont think its an issue. Any club would love to have either. We currently lack someone with the mental toughness as Selwood. People can whinge about his head ducking as much as they want but he keeps putting his head in the right spot to get those frees. We would love it if he played for us.

I dont see the need to get upset if someone thinks player X is better than player Y

 

[JA27]

despite playing in 3 premierships selwood will be remembered for ducking and playing to the umpires.

pendlebury will be remembered the way daicos is, he does things other players cannot.

pendlebury for mine has been a little down on his very best but he still makes me laugh when he looks like he is walking but no one can catch him.

 

[vjknight]

Because he's a Collingwood player, it's simple really.

As we saw with Dunstall and Brown's commentary on Saturday, no matter how hard the media try to act unbiased when it comes to us, they can't.

Everyone grows up hating us, so they hate our players and through that bias want to down grade our club, our players and their achievements at every step.

It's just part of the deal, that those from other clubs, while they maybe not as good as a Pendlebury, Swan or Cloke, will be rated higher because they aren't Collingwood players.

<<<<<<< afl team of the century thread

 

[dansa]

They're all great players and different in their strengths and weaknesses but if they were comparing first 100 games Fyfe and Judd are in a level above in my opinion.

Selwood and Pendlebury are much closer although very different types of players. If you had to make a choice based on just their first 100 games I might just have Selwood ahead, but Pendles just slightly ahead in over all games. Too close to call really.

* Edit
Thinking about it more and looking at some stats. Selwood's first 100 games were clearly better than Pendlebury. Closer to Judd levels, who is the standout of the modern era.

 

[hellfire]

Anyone who doesn't think Pendlebury is on their level is blind. He is a better player than Selwood right now, and at their best, they are neck and neck.

 

[unplugged]

Apples and oranges. But imagine both of them in the same team. Wowee.

 

[golazo]

The Collingwood factor.

When people do their ladder predictions, they always predict us 4-5 spots lower than reality. It's been happening as long as I can remember. 2010 we were supposed to finish 8th. 2011, after a flag, we were going to get found out and finish 4th or 5th... it's just the way it goes.

We've always had dud players. Nathan Buckley was overrated if you ask opposition fans. Apparently Swan's on the level of Woewodin, in terms of calibre of Brownlow winners.

In the Malthouse years, apparently we only won games because we had a coach who was getting absolutely everything out of his list. The players were shit. In 2010 it was the game plan, not the players. We had a great coach they said....now general consensus is he's one of the worst. But now people see we have not only shit players, but a shit coach, who was also a shit, overrated player..and that's why we had the bottom 4 predictions.

If Fyfe played for Collingwood, he'd be labelled a clanger machine or something like that. If we get Dangerfield next season, watch everyone say that he's already past it. We even saw it with Luke Ball... we were stupid for getting him in 2009. "can't kick more than 20 meters" was what people were saying. Ended up having 2-3 elite seasons before it caught up with him

 

[dansa]

People need to remember they were only discussing first 100 games not careers to date.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I think Pendles gets his accolades. He's certainly a top 5 player in the comp and on consistency top 2 only behind Gary Ablett when fit. Fyfe is a fantastic player really maturing and playing in a top tier team so they'll continue to talk him up.

Selwood's form has been up and down this season and IMO currently he is behind a number of others this year, but we know at his best he can be devastating.

Pendles is just so laconic also. He turns games without people even realising just going about doing what he does every week. Guys like Fyfe and Selwood are very distinctive when on song and tearing you apart.

We know he's the best, doesn't matter what the infidels think or report.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

The Collingwood factor.

When people do their ladder predictions, they always predict us 4-5 spots lower than reality. It's been happening as long as I can remember. 2010 we were supposed to finish 8th. 2011, after a flag, we were going to get found out and finish 4th or 5th... it's just the way it goes.

We've always had dud players. Nathan Buckley was overrated if you ask opposition fans. Apparently Swan's on the level of Woewodin, in terms of calibre of Brownlow winners.

In the Malthouse years, apparently we only won games because we had a coach who was getting absolutely everything out of his list. The players were shit. In 2010 it was the game plan, not the players. We had a great coach they said....now general consensus is he's one of the worst. But now people see we have not only shit players, but a shit coach, who was also a shit, overrated player..and that's why we had the bottom 4 predictions.

If Fyfe played for Collingwood, he'd be labelled a clanger machine or something like that. If we get Dangerfield next season, watch everyone say that he's already past it. We even saw it with Luke Ball... we were stupid for getting him in 2009. "can't kick more than 20 meters" was what people were saying. Ended up having 2-3 elite seasons before it caught up with him

Good post. Another common tendency over many years is if we have a good win to really devote most of the analysis to 'where the other team went wrong'. This 'glass half empty' analysis of Collingwood wins has been going on as long as I can remember. From the more explicitly biased commentators it often comes across as a really frustrated whinge about how useless the other team was, where they let everyone down, it really amounts to another form of barracking. Few teams cop more heat in the press each week than ones that have lost to Collingwood because the commentariat ineivitably vent their frustrations on them for letting humanity down by not crushing the Collingwood peasants.

 

[dansa]

Because he's a Collingwood player, it's simple really.

As we saw with Dunstall and Brown's commentary on Saturday, no matter how hard the media try to act unbiased when it comes to us, they can't.

Everyone grows up hating us, so they hate our players and through that bias want to down grade our club, our players and their achievements at every step.

It's just part of the deal, that those from other clubs, while they maybe not as good as a Pendlebury, Swan or Cloke, will be rated higher because they aren't Collingwood players.

It was only last year (or was it 2013?) that all the media shows were constantly rating Pendlebury as either no1 or 2 behind Ablett . This year Fyfe is on fire and flavour of the year to date. It's cyclical, they need to beat up some debate.

I agree Dunstall and Brown like to give it to the Woods but to think the media in general is against us is one eyed in my opinion.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

Pendles may in the end suffer in the same way Bucks did. Although he has a medallion, he's only won one flag to Duckwood's 3. That was how it always panned out with Bucks in comparisons with Hird and Voss. I always had Bucks the better player who suffered from being in inferior teams.

 

[Ketchup]

Does it really matter? We know pendles is a jet, we're privileged to watch him every week. What media personalities think should be irrelevant. Pendles wouldn't care. I wish he had 3 medallions but. And I bet he does too.

 

[Gone Critical]

I do think at times Collingwood players suffer a bit in external ratings but I have never thought Pendles has.

Externally he is the one player continually talked up by the media and opposition supporters. Clear to me why also because he is such a fantastic player to watch, on that basis if anything his effectiveness gets talked up a little because he looks so good doing it. Swan gets the bad deal in this respect. Bucks did a bit also.

As to Selwood I have always rated him just above Pendles and he was quicker to make a splash as a young player. Stepped in from day 1. I think he is more inclined to step in and change a game when things are on the line than Pendles. As great as they have been neither have by mid career reached the absolute elite levels Bucks, Voss, Hird, Judd and Ablett have. Fyfe might though.

 

[jmac70]

Still makes me laugh that Hawthorn took Mitch Thorp ahead of Selwood.

 

[golazo]

Still makes me laugh that Hawthorn took Mitch Thorp ahead of Selwood.

Yeah, lucky for them they got it right with a few (more than a few)others. Richmond on the other hand....

 

[jmac70]

Yeah, lucky for them they got it right with a few (more than a few)others. Richmond on the other hand....

True. Essendon did take Gumbleton in that draft too, not to mention The Squib at number 1 for the Blosers.

 

[golazo]

True. Essendon did take Gumbleton in that draft too, not to mention The Squib at number 1 for the Blosers.

Squibbs probably would've been an elite player if he was drafted and developed by a half decent club, instead of that rabble with a cheater/loser culture

 

[TradeDraft]

Pendles - He does not Duck and Play for Free Kicks

 

[Seedsfan]

Pendles is the best mid in the comp, he is better than Duckwood By the length of the Flemington straight

 

[Pendles!]

Pendles is the best player in the Comp and has been since half way through 2010.

 

[Seedsfan]

Pendles is the best player in the Comp and has been since half way through 2010.

After Swan passed the baton on

 

[dansa]

Pendles - He does not Duck and Play for Free Kicks

You're not watching close enough TD.
Not to the levels of Selwood admittedly.