Peter Hore

[Docker_Brat]

Originally posted by larrikin
It's really sad that England has a cooler serial fence jumper than us.

That bloke (I've forgotten his name) who went on the courts at Wimbledon, got in the Man Utd. photo and went out to bat in the Ashes at least puts some thought into his stunts, and more importantly they don't affect the game.

Interestingly he is also unemployed.

Karl Power.

Hardly a pest, more a joker. Damn good at it too and as you say, he puts some thought into. Most importantly it is harmless.

 

[gPhonque]

Shame on you Peter Hore for attempting to help some poor innocent people gain some kind of freedom.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Originally posted by gPhonque
Shame on you Peter Hore for attempting to help some poor innocent people gain some kind of freedom.

The problem is he apparantley left them out in the desert without food and water.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Docker_Brat

The problem is he apparantley left them out in the desert without food and water.

Oh ok then...

Shame on Peter Hore for not inviting them into his house (if he has one) and cooking them roast dinners for the rest of their lives.

In fact, i suppose it's Peter Hore's fault they were locked in a prison in the first place.

I suppose it was also his fault that they happened to be born in a country no so lucky as ours.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Originally posted by gPhonque


Oh ok then...

Shame on Peter Hore for not inviting them into his house (if he has one) and cooking them roast dinners for the rest of their lives.

In fact, i suppose it's Peter Hore's fault they were locked in a prison in the first place.

I suppose it was also his fault that they happened to be born in a country no so lucky as ours.

I dont agree with locking up refugees at all. But is being in the desert without access to food or water a better option?

Let them out, but at least not leave them to fend for themselves in a hostile environment.

 

[happy_in_hell]

Where do most of these refugees come from?

Afghanistan? Is there not desert in Afghanistan? I agree, a gallon of water would be nice, but the environment would probably be moe hosile for us city slickers than the refugees at Woomera

 

[Docker_Brat]

Originally posted by happy_in_hell
Where do most of these refugees come from?

Afghanistan? Is there not desert in Afghanistan? I agree, a gallon of water would be nice, but the environment would probably be moe hosile for us city slickers than the refugees at Woomera

Didn't these people have homes once? I doubt very much that they just lived in the desert.

 

[Sydneyfan]

Originally posted by Docker_Brat

I dont agree with locking up refugees at all. But is being in the desert without access to food or water a better option?

Let them out, but at least not leave them to fend for themselves in a hostile environment.

I agree with what you say Docker_Brat, I also disagree with locking up refugees but to release refugees into the desert without food or water is extremely negligent. Woomera's 200kms from the nearest decent sized town, the temperature regularly drops below zero at this time of year in the desert. If the activists were genuinely concerned about the refugees' welfare not just making a political statement they would have at least given the refugees some provisions. I don't believe it has helped the refugees' cause and instead has placed the 10 refugees still unaccounted for (including 2 children) in serious danger. If the protesters wanted to pull off the breakout they should either given provisions or conducted the breakout in one of the suburban detention centres (Maribyrnong or Villawood) where they wouldn't have placed the refugees in danger.

But, then again maybe what Peter Hore said is right, they did dump him, not vice versa, maybe the refugees also realised that he is w@nker and got the hell away from him!

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Sydneyfan
But, then again maybe what Peter Hore said is right, they did dump him, not vice versa, maybe the refugees also realised that he is w@nker and got the hell away from him!

Hehe. I'll give you that one.

My problem is that you people all seem to care more about a World Cup qualifier than the detainees freedom.

Is Peter Hore really that much of a ****er?

His intentions are certainly more honorable than those who run this country.

 

[Still Crowing]

Originally posted by gPhonque


Hehe. I'll give you that one.

My problem is that you people all seem to care more about a World Cup qualifier than the detainees freedom.

Is Peter Hore really that much of a ****er?

His intentions are certainly more honorable than those who run this country.

You are joking are you not? What drugs are you on?

Disrupting funerals, where's the political statement in that? The guy is just a looney! He should be locked up! He's like a mentally unstable version of the rent-a-crowds that like to hook their cause of civil disobedience to whatever happens to be the issue of the day.

btw, what he & his fellow tree hugging hippies did wrt to the detainees is tantamount to attempted manslaughter. If you've ever been to the SA outback at this time of year, you know that the best place for anyone after dark is inside, even if it is in a portakabin style room. Better there, than freezing to death cold, hungry and lost in a foriegn country! Geez, I have survival skills, and I wouldn't go outdoors with what they had!

All you bleeding heart liberal types really ought to get a clue. Breaking people out from a federal compound is not only against the law, but it's dangerous and stupid. I'm not going to debate the rights and wrongs of the Federal Govt's "lock up the SIE's", (that's for another debate) but once they are in the centres, breaking them out is the same under law and common sense as breaking out the choppers of this world from federal penitentiaries. Think about that before you stick up for these guys.

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by JUBJUB
Why can't we just lock him inside the Woomera detention centre ?

Well he already looks like he's on a hunger strike.

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by gPhonque
Shame on you Peter Hore for attempting to help some poor innocent people gain some kind of freedom.

Innocent????

So gaining access to Australia illegally isn't an offence?

How do we know they are innocent? Many of them are irrational and for all we know could be terroists and we don't want our own September 11, do we?

If they had done things properly they wouldn't have to be locked up in the Woomera detention centre. They should be thankful, they could be staying in far worse places.

They have caused nothing but trouble, they expect us to bend over backwards for them, in return for what?

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Still Crowing


You are joking are you not? What drugs are you on?

Disrupting funerals, where's the political statement in that? The guy is just a looney! He should be locked up! He's like a mentally unstable version of the rent-a-crowds that like to hook their cause of civil disobedience to whatever happens to be the issue of the day.

btw, what he & his fellow tree hugging hippies did wrt to the detainees is tantamount to attempted manslaughter. If you've ever been to the SA outback at this time of year, you know that the best place for anyone after dark is inside, even if it is in a portakabin style room. Better there, than freezing to death cold, hungry and lost in a foriegn country! Geez, I have survival skills, and I wouldn't go outdoors with what they had!

All you bleeding heart liberal types really ought to get a clue. Breaking people out from a federal compound is not only against the law, but it's dangerous and stupid. I'm not going to debate the rights and wrongs of the Federal Govt's "lock up the SIE's", (that's for another debate) but once they are in the centres, breaking them out is the same under law and common sense as breaking out the choppers of this world from federal penitentiaries. Think about that before you stick up for these guys.

You're an Afghan.

You were born in, and had lived your life thus far, in Afghanistan.

You have half a family. (the other half were murdered)

You have a little money.

You decide, perhaps stupidly, perhaps not, to spend it on an attempt to sneak into a new country and the possibility of a new, less violent, life.

You manage to get within a bee's **** of your new life, only to be locked into a prison with no immediate prospects of freedom, and indeed, no idea whether you're going to be sent back to Afghanistan.

After X amount of months being locked away, a few guys come and help you escape - if you choose to.

What would you do?


Rather than belittling Peter Hore because he happened to disrupt your precious World Cup qualifier (and i'm as p|ssed off as anybody about that), how about you look beneath what the media tells you to believe about him and look at why he's doing some of these things. (and btw, i agree that interupting a funeral is well and truly overstepping the mark)

I know i'd probably try and escape with Mr ****er Hore if i were in that position, although i certainly wouldn't think of him as being a ****er.

Woomera escapees 'safe'
03jul02

ACTIVISTS have claimed the ten asylum seekers on the run from the Woomera Detention Centre for almost a week are safe.

Police have said there were no reports of any sightings of the eight adults and two children, aged 12 and 14, overnight.

There have been concerns for their safety because of freezing temperatures in the South Australian outback.

But Dave McKay, from the Refugee Embassy protest group set up outside the detention centre, said a group calling itself the Desert Liberation Front, had sent him a brief message to say the 10 escapees had reached safety.

"We had a message saying they were in a safe area," he said.

Mr McKay said it was believed the father of one of the child escapees still on the run was living in Sydney on a temporary protection visa.

He said the child and his mother had been held in Woomera, awaiting deportation.

• The Immigration Department has said 89 detainees at Woomera remain on a hunger strike.

AAP


I guess you'd rather stay there on a hunger strike instead?

 

[Joe Mama]

Of course missing out on qualifying for the World Cup in 1998 was more important than what's going on in Woomera.

P.S
DO NOT TAKE THAT MESSAGE SERIOUSLY

The man (Peter Hore) is a paranoid schizophrenic (this was diagnosed when he was in his early 20's, I read it in an article in FHM magazine about a year ago) so you have to take what he says, and what he believes in with a grain of salt (as with most rent a crowd protestors).

And that includes you, gPhonque .

 

[Sydneyfan]

Originally posted by Catman


Innocent????

So gaining access to Australia illegally isn't an offence?

How do we know they are innocent? Many of them are irrational and for all we know could be terroists and we don't want our own September 11, do we?

They seem fairly innocent to me, sure they don't have the correct documentation to enter Australia, but then again in Afghanistan during the Taliban regime I'd presume it would have been fairly difficult to get the correct documentation and most likely would have either been beaten or killed for your efforts.

They seem quite rational to me, spent their live in a truly horrific place, half their family killed, most likely to be of indigenous Hazara descent who are discriminated against in Afghanistan; are given the opportunity to get out (you've heard that life is actually pleasant in some places), you'd be irrational to stay in Afghanistan IMHO.

Sure, process the refugees and deport the ones found to have a shady past but I'd like to see the process quickened and children placed in safe houses in the community, not behind bars. There's children who have spent the vast majority of their life behind bars, that's not a very nice thing to do from a country which prides itself as being a fair nation.

I seriously doubt that they are many terrorists amongst the group in Woomera, why would Al-Queda send their operatives via boat to Australia where they'll wait 5 years before being released into society while they can produce false documentation get them on a plane and be in Australia within a week, not a pleasant thought but it has probably happened before. The refugees are not criminals, they are innocent people seeking a better life.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Wayde Petersen
Of course missing out on qualifying for the World Cup in 1998 was more important than what's going on in Woomera.

P.S
DO NOT TAKE THAT MESSAGE SERIOUSLY

Oh damn. I was just about to go off at you as well.

The man (Peter Hore) is a paranoid schizophrenic (this was diagnosed when he was in his early 20's, I read it in an article in FHM magazine about a year ago) so you have to take what he says, and what he believes in with a grain of salt (as with most rent a crowd protestors).

And that includes you, gPhonque .

For a start, i don't see how the fact that he's a paranoid schizophrenic has anything to do with this.

Were the other people with him all paranoid schizophrenics as well?

Would it matter if they were?


Either way - don't get me wrong. I'm not about to go and break out 30-odd detainees because i don't agree they should be locked away in those conditions.

But i'd like to think that i can use my brain a little and not just bag the guy because it's popular to do so.

Ooh! He looks strange! He does weird things! He speaks the truth! He must be a ****er.

 

[Lockyer24]

he is a ****er.

 

[Still Crowing]

Originally posted by gPhonque

<snipped>

For a start, i don't see how the fact that he's a paranoid schizophrenic has anything to do with this.

Were the other people with him all paranoid schizophrenics as well?

Would it matter if they were?


Either way - don't get me wrong. I'm not about to go and break out 30-odd detainees because i don't agree they should be locked away in those conditions.

But i'd like to think that i can use my brain a little and not just bag the guy because it's popular to do so.

Ooh! He looks strange! He does weird things! He speaks the truth! He must be a ****er. [/B]

Oh right, I am attacking someone who is different, therefore I am wrong. If he was black or asian I'd be a rascist too? Blow it out your ar.se! And to try to make me look like someone who cares more about football than peoples lives, well, that speaks volumes about your character. You dont know jack about me, what I've done in my life, and the things I've seen. Do you work for a tabloid?, perhaps with the initials *cough* Herald Sun *cough*.

Facts:
He is a dangerous person, not only to himself, but to others.
He has no 'political agenda'. He only seeks to disrupt other people lives in an attempt to get attention.
He is only interested in his own publicity, not whatever interest his shenanigans manifest themselves in.

Okay, so I am not Afghan, I don't plan on being Afghan (so who gives a crap if they're socialist's).

I cannot say for certainty why they thought they could just up sticks and leave their country and go somewhere else. Sorry, not on my watch. Life, like all games, has rules. Know the rules, play by them, you get by. Think you are outside the rules, and sooner or later you get tripped up. My Dad and his folks had to spend years immigrating to Australia after WW2 in the 40's. Admittedly it shouldn't take as long now, what with technology, but there is still a process.

We have a recently arrived American (now Aussie) on the boards. Why don't we ask him why he didn't just jump on a plane and fly here to stay? I'm speaking for him now, but I'm sure he knew that there were procedures to follow, paperwork to do (probably sometimes in triplicate!).

Go to Great Britain and ask them how their "just let 'em roam free whilst we determine their right to a visa" strategy is working. Here, I'll save you the time....it doesn't. Trying to round up the people who have been deemed inelligable for refugee status/visa's is next to impossible. The ethnic community of the applicants see's to that. At least we know where our illegal entrants are, both for their safety and the populations. They might not like it, but hey, as we didn't invite them over, they'll have to take the couch.

I respect the fact that:
1 you are passionate
2 you are trying not to believe everything you read/see.
and I think it's admirable.
Unfortunately, IMO, I think on this issue, people that think like you are only getting half (if that) the picture from the fourth estate. I'm not suggesting that you have to join the Navy and rescue these people from their leaky 'boats' (and I use that term lightly), or join the police to see what it's like being on the other side of a protest by tree huggin hippies who want to do you harm, or work as a screw in the detention centres to get some perspective.
Simply I am suggesting that in some instances, the issue of refugees has been hijacked somewhat by different political groups, many of which dont give a rats tossbag about the actual refugees. In this instance, I know what I have seen, I have first hand experience in some of these issues. How many "free the refugee's" types on the Flinders St steps have only what they read in the papers?

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Still Crowing
We have a recently arrived American (now Aussie) on the boards. Why don't we ask him why he didn't just jump on a plane and fly here to stay? I'm speaking for him now, but I'm sure he knew that there were procedures to follow, paperwork to do (probably sometimes in triplicate!).

You're comparing the "efforts" of an American to come to Australia to those of an Afghan?

Er, ok.

Go to Great Britain and ask them how their "just let 'em roam free whilst we determine their right to a visa" strategy is working.

I never said that. (just as i never said that you cared more about the World Cup than peoples lives.)

I never said open the doors and let them come in droves.

But locking innocent children away for months is simply inhumane. What kind of future do these children have? I highly doubt that they'll ever get a decent education and/or get the chance to lead normal happy lives. More likely, they'll end up either back where they came from. (which would be the last thing any of those people would want)

I suppose the children are "law-breakers" as well as potential terrorists?

Give me a break.

I respect the fact that:
1 you are passionate
2 you are trying not to believe everything you read/see.
and I think it's admirable.

Don't patronise me.

1. I'm not "passionate." More sympathetic. If i were in their shoes, i'd be thinking 2 things: a) I don't want to go back, and b) Australians are no better than the rest of the world.

2. I make my own mind up on what i believe. I read the facts. I treat each topic on it's own merits. I apologize for not calling Peter Hore a ****er for trying to help these people. He might be a ****er, but good on him this time for sticking it up the governments arse and helping the refugees.

Simply I am suggesting that in some instances, the issue of refugees has been hijacked somewhat by different political groups, many of which dont give a rats tossbag about the actual refugees.

You're right. Most of them don't care about the refugees. I believe it's "human rights" that these groups care about.

And in this case, these people have come from a country with virtually no human rights to a country with seemingly even less.

 

[Still Crowing]

Originally posted by gPhonque


You're comparing the "efforts" of an American to come to Australia to those of an Afghan?

Er, ok.

Same rules. Just because they are Afghans, doesn't give them the right to do as they please.

I never said that. (just as i never said that you cared more about the World Cup than peoples lives.)

I never said open the doors and let them come in droves.

But locking innocent children away for months is simply inhumane. What kind of future do these children have? I highly doubt that they'll ever get a decent education and/or get the chance to lead normal happy lives. More likely, they'll end up either back where they came from. (which would be the last thing any of those people would want)

I suppose the children are "law-breakers" as well as potential terrorists?

Give me a break.

And your solution would be?? Lock up the parents, but seperate the children, because they are 'innocents'. Now that's inhumane! Sorry, but I blame the parents here. The parents come, then have the nerve to blame us for the conditions they find their children in. Que? Sorry, but if I was 3, and my mum for example took me to a place with an influenza outbreak, she'd have to weather the consequences of her choice. Now I have this feeling that you're going to come back with the old "they are doing it for their kids" line. Sorry, doesn't wash with me. I once saw a woman throw her child up against a bulkhead to break it's arm, so we would have to fly the tyke off to a mainland hospital, thereby changing it's staus.

Don't patronise me.

1. I'm not "passionate." More sympathetic. If i were in their shoes, i'd be thinking 2 things: a) I don't want to go back, and b) Australians are no better than the rest of the world.

2. I make my own mind up on what i believe. I read the facts. I treat each topic on it's own merits. I apologize for not calling Peter Hore a ****er for trying to help these people. He might be a ****er, but good on him this time for sticking it up the governments arse and helping the refugees.

Fine, take my comment as you have. I do respect people that dont just sit there and take what they are given as gospel. It shows a greater development of mind than your average joe sixpack. You dont like the way I put it, no skin off my nose.
It's fine to be sympathetic, I prefer to be pragmatic.

You're right. Most of them don't care about the refugees. I believe it's "human rights" that these groups care about.

And in this case, these people have come from a country with virtually no human rights to a country with seemingly even less.

Fine, you don't like it, go somewhere else. I love my country, and I'm willing to make sacrifices for it. I believe in what we as a country do, both for our own people and the people of other countries. All you seem to want to do is hang sh|t on it. I see no constructive criticism, which would be fine. I just see you falling for the "bitch at the government - everything thats wrong must be their fault" line that the opposition (whoever they may be at the time) think is 'politics' in Australia.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by gPhonque
If i were in their shoes, i'd be thinking 2 things: a) I don't want to go back, and b) Australians are no better than the rest of the world.

Both reasonable thoughts. Its not written down anywhere that Australia needs to be any better than the rest of the world, is it?

And in this case, these people have come from a country with virtually no human rights to a country with seemingly even less.

Their chances of being bombed, shot or starving through lack of food provided are much improved in Australia as opposed to Afghanistan.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Still Crowing


Same rules. Just because they are Afghans, doesn't give them the right to do as they please.

You're missing the point here.

And your solution would be??

Not a solution but something to think about...

How many millions of $$$ each year do the greedy arseholes who run this country (both parties) spend on, for example, luxurious family trips to Europe etc each year?

Our country's politicians obviously believe it's more important to spend $50,000 on taking their family on a taxpayer funded trip to France than it is to put the money into something constructive and worthwhile.

Will it ever change?

No.

Am i allowed to bitch?

Absolutely.

By the way, what's your solution to the problem?

I once saw a woman throw her child up against a bulkhead to break it's arm, so we would have to fly the tyke off to a mainland hospital, thereby changing it's staus.

I saw an Australian guy get p|ssed and smash a bottle over a girl's head.

I guess we all do that hey?

Fine, you don't like it, go somewhere else. I love my country, and I'm willing to make sacrifices for it. I believe in what we as a country do, both for our own people and the people of other countries. All you seem to want to do is hang sh|t on it. I see no constructive criticism, which would be fine. I just see you falling for the "bitch at the government - everything thats wrong must be their fault" line that the opposition (whoever they may be at the time) think is 'politics' in Australia.

I see Australia turning into another country where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.

If that's your idea of a country heading in the right direction, then perhaps you should go and live in India.

cheers (and don't take any of this too personally )

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Porthos
Both reasonable thoughts. Its not written down anywhere that Australia needs to be any better than the rest of the world, is it?

I would have thought it would be something to aspire to. Perhaps not.

Their chances of being bombed, shot or starving through lack of food provided are much improved in Australia as opposed to Afghanistan.

Yeah - until they get sent back.

 

[catgirl2002]

Originally posted by -PC28-
This ******** has been implicated in the Woomara escape...

What a ****er. When they find him, can we lock him look him up with them?

On second thoughts, can we send him to a far off land where he won't annoy anyone??

this is a sick and sad individual.. this is one case where capital punishment should be bought back just for him... hanging, gasing, lethal injection - anything to get rid of the man. He spoils special events.

How stupid are these people to release the detainees and then just dump in the middle of the desert, with no food, no water. I don't agree with the detainees being free this way, but this man has absolutely no commonsense at all. He is a waste of space on this planet.

keep smiling
Jennifer

 

[dogs105]

Originally posted by Catman


Innocent????

So gaining access to Australia illegally isn't an offence?

I thought that any person had the right to seek asylum in Australia.

Whether it is granted is another thing, but it is not illegal to be an asylum seeker.