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Globally including the US most people are more concerned about themselves and their family over how their country is portrayed by outsiders. Will be interesting to see how that is expressed next week.
 
I realise that for most of you I am knocking on an open door, but poshman seems convinced that Trump, in between wending his way from catastrophe to catastrophe, has accomplished actual good stuff. What he has accomplished is stasis in the bureaucratic arm of the government through neglect, incompetence or systemic attempts at dismantling the social fabric. He has presided over the erosion of basic EPA regulations. He has systematically rat*ed the US postal network.

But he has come up with a phenomenal healthcare plan.

Before Covid, I read Michael Lewis' The Fifth Risk (highly recommended; synopsis and background here ) and when the pandemic came, I knew the US would cop it in the date. Because they let a ******* slumlord roll the dice on not paying for the basic social network that we crazy socialist Australians take for granted.
 

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salim malik said:
If Trump loses will the right wing high court judges back him if he refutes the count and refuses to give up the White house?
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They won't, because conservatives/originalists don't generally read their politics into law - they read what the law says.

So they will throw him out of office if the law says two terms. It's as simple as that.
 
Taylor said:
They won't, because conservatives/originalists don't generally read their politics into law - they read what the law says.

So they will throw him out of office if the law says two terms. It's as simple as that.
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Trump has never been in step with convention and law.
Why did he shoe horn in double quick time the right wing Christian nutter.
 
poshman said:
free health care for illegal immigrants is not a moderate position.

free school for all is not conservative.
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Yet that's what happens in the People's Socialist Republic of Australia. As well as the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia and most of the Western world.

I don't understand how super wealthy countries paying for the health and education of it's population is "Socialist" and radically left wing.
 
benfica said:
The next prez 😂😂😂 lol merica
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It's weird because nobody else said anything stupid in 1977 o_O

That was back when Ken Olson said "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home."

You would think they'd find something a bit more recent to hang him with? You have 43 years to work with people!
 
salim malik said:
Trump has never been in step with convention and law.
Why did he shoe horn in double quick time the right wing Christian nutter.
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Don't go assuming there is a conspiracy for the originalist supreme court justices to throw out the intention and literal wording of the law to suit a political agenda.

Actually look at the dissenting opinions on recent cases where the liberal justices voted as a unified block to say that a citizen has no specific right to possession of firearms and that abortion up to the point of full and complete birth is acceptable.

The conservative justices are there to read the law as it is, the congress is there to make laws to suit new social politics. Currently both sides are happy to not legislate on it and instead send the discussion to the court. That isn't the purpose of the court.
 
salim malik said:
If Trump loses will the right wing high court judges back him if he refutes the count and refuses to give up the White house?
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I have heard that and thought it so, but Howard Dean (former Democrat candidate) interviewed on Wednesday's edition of Planet America made the point that the resolution of a disputed election results doesn't rest with the Supreme Court. He said that congress was the final arbitrator. (not sure what that means though)
 
stax on the mull said:
I have heard that and thought it so, but Howard Dean (former Democrat candidate) interviewed on Planet America made the point on Wednesday that the resolution of a disputed election results doesn't rest with the Supreme Court. He said that congress was the final arbitrator.
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That's correct.

If the electoral college votes doesn't produce a winner then the House of Representatives vote as a state block with each state having one vote for the president, and the senate giving each state one vote for the vice president.

We could actually have a circumstance where the Democrat controlled house loses it's advantage (California's 53 congressional seats reduced to one vote) and the republicans vote in a president (I'm not even sure it has to be Trump, I think it can be anyone) and then the Senate potentially flipped to Democrat control meaning they elect Biden as VP with 26-24 votes.

We could see Trump President, Biden Vice President, presiding over a Democrat House of Reps and Senate.

Now that would be turbulent.

The supreme court would come into play if votes appear in tight contests after the close of the polls, the case before the court would be that the votes can't be shown to be true votes cast before the close of the polls unless they are post marked. That's where the case would hinge on supreme court decisions. They could throw out 20,000 votes and give a state (or multiple states) to a candidate.

It would be interesting if there are examples each way, say one state with more electoral votes is leaning towards Trump if they throw out late votes but two others are leaning to Biden if the late votes are thrown out. If the electoral college votes for one outweighs the other I'm curious how they will be argued in the court.

I'd like to think that the rule of law would be applied evenly between all cases and if that benefits one side over the other then so be it.
 
Wigarus said:
How do you define socialist? I mean I admit I am mostly ignorant in all things politics so I honestly don't know. The things you have complained about all exist in Australia and just seem needlessly cruel to not have in a wealthy country. Also if you say full socialist do you mean that the government will start to take control of private businesses?

I feel like free healthcare, free school, a living wage, all of those things are investments in the future. What is it that you don't like about the system we have here?


Honestly, Trump seems so repulsive of a human being that I honestly struggle to understand how anyone could want him as their representative.
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No we don’t have all those things. We don’t have free university. We don’t have free healthcare for illegals. In fact while we have a public system if you can’t pay, for many things you will wait years. Knee replacements - pain surgeries etc.

A living wage? Where do we have that?
 

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Bigger said:
Mate, I don't think the American "far left" you are wetting your knickers about is in fact very left at all.

I certainly don't think a bloke who has been a politician for 47 years and done effectively fu**-all is going to all of a sudden turn into Pol Pot.

And AOC and her "classmates" are the future of the party. But right now they are still wrangling with all the Facebook Grandpas and easily-addled who think Medicare For all is tantamount to seizing the means of production, so we are stuck with a couple of septuagenarians who are about as far left as David Cameron or John Howard and a former Attorney-General who is an enforcer of laws and pragmatic moderate drafted in to shore up the socially progressive vote.
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Again with the insults. If someone disagrees with part of what you say they must by ‘easily addled’.

AOC wants to put in place the green new deal. Having read through the website that alone would put the economy down the drain. The ideas presented are a recipe for disaster. have you read the website?

if you don’t think she is far left and a self professed socialist with Bernie then it definitely isn’t the centre or right who have changed the definitions of left - centre - right.
 
poshman said:
if you don’t think she is far left and a self professed socialist with Bernie then it definitely isn’t the centre or right who have changed the definitions of left - centre - right.
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As a side note, you'll notice Bernie Sanders has stopped saying "millionaires and billionaires" and now just says "billionaires". He started doing this when he wrote a book that sold well and now he is a millionaire.
 
Bigger said:
I realise that for most of you I am knocking on an open door, but poshman seems convinced that Trump, in between wending his way from catastrophe to catastrophe, has accomplished actual good stuff. What he has accomplished is stasis in the bureaucratic arm of the government through neglect, incompetence or systemic attempts at dismantling the social fabric. He has presided over the erosion of basic EPA regulations. He has systematically ratfu**ed the US postal network.

But he has come up with a phenomenal healthcare plan.

Before Covid, I read Michael Lewis' The Fifth Risk (highly recommended; synopsis and background here ) and when the pandemic came, I knew the US would cop it in the date. Because they let a ******* slumlord roll the dice on not paying for the basic social network that we crazy socialist Australians take for granted.
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I have read all of his books. The undoing project is one of my favourites. I disagree with him on most of his points in the fifth risk. He is a very good writer though.

The Republicans and Democrats both day that foreign relations and certain policies will be the end of the world. Every candidate in the last 40 years promises to move the embassy to Jerusalem. Trump did it. I remember the predictions of world war three. It never happened.

Trump stopped support of Iran. Also was going to cause world war three. At the moment it looks like it is going better than anything Obama or Bush achieved. Could it still turn to crap? Yes. Had it been terrible from Bush and Obama. Yes. At the moment it seems improved and definitely not worse.

Do I think he or any administration have a lot to be proud of? Not at all. Do I subscribe to Trump is the end of the world going from disaster to disaster? No.
 
wayToGo_ said:
It's weird because nobody else said anything stupid in 1977 o_O

That was back when Ken Olson said "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home."

You would think they'd find something a bit more recent to hang him with? You have 43 years to work with people!
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Hunter never did anything wrong... that’s a recent one.

I never knew anything about Burisma.

Brags about firing the investigator into Hunter and his mates... oh has nothing to do with hunter just a coincidences it was a short time after his son received emails asking for his dads help to get rid of the prosecutor.

If you don’t vote for me you ain’t black..

This is an important time we don’t want four more years of bush...

And the kids would run their hands up my legs and my blonde leg hair.. oh he has said a heap.
 
Taylor said:
As a side note, you'll notice Bernie Sanders has stopped saying "millionaires and billionaires" and now just says "billionaires". He started doing this when he wrote a book that sold well and now he is a millionaire.
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Yes - so completely stereotypically socialist.
 
poshman said:
Hunter never did anything wrong... that’s a recent one.

I never knew anything about Burisma.

Brags about firing the investigator into Hunter and his mates... oh has nothing to do with hunter just a coincidences it was a short time after his son received emails asking for his dads help to get rid of the prosecutor.

If you don’t vote for me you ain’t black..

This is an important time we don’t want four more years of bush...

And the kids would run their hands up my legs and my blonde leg hair.. oh he has said a heap.
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And if you did the same with Trump it'd be a 100 page dossier.

You can't seriously compare the Hunter Biden rumours - culminating in Tucker's "the dog ate my homework" excuse with the endless list of controversies surrounding not only Trump's family but him directly? The DOJ investigated the Hunter situation and found nothing. Fox News was so desperate to make something out of it, it was the top story on their website for 4 days straight. It gave them a spike in ratings but it has since become pretty clear they are making a mountain out of a mole hill and fabricating the truth a heap. If you think Guiliani has any credibility whatsoever and outright lying is beyond him you aren't following things very closely.

Meanwhile Trump's family were caught stealing money from a children's charity. Not just rumour - found guilty and not allowed to apply for a charity licence. He refuses to release his tax returns because he is not only guilty of crimes but also that he isn't actually very wealthy. Almost everyone surrounding Trump in 2016 (except his family) is now in jail. Do you think banks forgive $300m in loans without any quid pro quo? He has instigated something 4000 litigation suits! He fires or tries to fire anyone who disagrees with him. He interferes in legal and democratic processes continually. It is an endless list. The man is a fake and cares about no-one but himself.

It is like having a mass murdered standing in front of you and then pointing at the 10 year old down the street who you claim may have shop lifted a chocolate bar because he looks a bit suspicious. Biden isn't a great candidate but he's not an evil dictator like Trump. What I find most hilarious is people thinking Trump is like them. He isn't a Republican at all. He also isn't a successful business person. He's just a kid that inherited a fortune and used it as a slush fund for his conman act.
 
poshman said:
Again with the insults. If someone disagrees with part of what you say they must by ‘easily addled’.

AOC wants to put in place the green new deal. Having read through the website that alone would put the economy down the drain. The ideas presented are a recipe for disaster. have you read the website?

if you don’t think she is far left and a self professed socialist with Bernie then it definitely isn’t the centre or right who have changed the definitions of left - centre - right.
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Champ, "easily-addled" refers to the QAnon conspiracy theorists and Pizzagate peanuts and anti-vaxers and that whole low-info tide Trump surfed in on of old, stupid or scared white drongoes who, it seems, will eat up any horsecock as long as it contains the right blend of envy, salaciousness, heartstring-tugging appeals to base emotions and worst fears.

If you want to self-select with those guys, knock yourself out.

And if you think "the economy" is anything more than a collective term for production and consumption within a select community and is more important in and of itself than the people responsible for its existence, then you need to have another think. And if you think "the economy" is the stock market, then you really need to have another think.

I'll tell you what a recipe for disaster is. Keep shooting s**t into the veins of the planet so a very small percentage of the people living on it can own really nice things. Preserving a system that guarantees the worldwide universal degradation of enjoyment of life just ******* because.

That's the recipe for disaster.

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Generally speaking, abundance of resources so that someone can work on innovation instead of hand to mouth working to live is a requirement of making the world a better place through new developments.

This is why you can see tax receipts grow when you reduce taxation, the surplus is moved into investing in new ventures which generate new revenue.
 
Let’s shift our gaze away from that “cesspool” country below Canada, ......

WA is allowing movement interstate, from mid November. Correctly, NSW & Vic have been put on notice and their citizens will need to “jump through some hoops”, before they’re allowed in.

Let’s hope everyone takes all the required precautions, and don’t get complacent.
 
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