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poshman said:
Perhaps read the post. If saying the ANE mindset is different than the western mindset is bigoted...

The ANE covers more than just Islam and extends beyond Israel/Palestine. It is also seen as similar but different to far eastern mindset.

Do you not think there are differences between western thinking and eastern?

Bigoted? Stupidity.
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I'm just saying you edited what you originally posted.
 

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Episode IV said:
They do not. We're all the same, humanity. Haven't you heard?
It's unfortunate that, as I've mentioned before, there are those who cannot understand exactly what it means that we are.

The vast majority of commentary here comes from posters who live in Australia, a land girt by sea, never invaded by a foreign power (yeah yeah, I know), sometimes several of them at once, and with no experience of what they're speaking about.
We have no rowdy neighbours, those who hate us only do so at a distance (again... mostly), we've never had missiles exploding in the sky overhead to such an extent that our children are suffering rates of PTSD at a rate of 50% or more.

Idealistic stances and moral absolutism are a social constructs which have become part of the fabric of the world only through Abrahamic ideals enforced upon most of the rest of the world through Western dominance, and more recently economic pragmatism.
Whether by hard power or soft power - enforcement is the only way ideals survive. That enforcement also provides the comfortable little bubbles in which the idealists can survive and thrive without consequence.

Sympathy is often displayed here, by one side or the other - that's quite natural. Any claim to empathy, however, is often an obvious lie, albeit disguised by cloudy idealistic thinking often indiscernible as such even by those claiming it.
We call ourselves Australians, but that sympathy for one side or the other quite often depends upon our backgrounds.

Empathy is almost impossible for most Australians. Perhaps some of the newer ones, but that form of empathy is more than a little hypocritical in nature and by no means universal. Again, it's a very human thing.
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Is it ok with you if I interpret this post as you saying that you have no empathy?
 
poshman said:
You don't agree about it not being edited? You can check the post and see that? If you still disagree we can ask a mod to confirm.

Or are you saying that you don't agree that other far more ancient civilisations think differently to the western mindset?
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Yes I don't agree that it hasn't been edited. If you can prove it, ok, then I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, so to speak.
 
stax on the mull said:
Yes I don't agree that it hasn't been edited. If you can prove it, ok, then I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, so to speak.
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You are hilarious. You make a claim, don't prove your claim, then say you guess you will give the benefit of the doubt if your claim is incorrect.

The doublespeak and bad faith has entered new territory.
 
You can feel the feels for the Israelis and the Palestinians more than anybody else and it makes no difference, but making sure everyone knows it makes it about you.

The US war machine was pulled out of the gravy train of Afghanistan by Trump and within a month of Biden trying to avoid having a single US casualty after Trump's planned time to pull out rushed it, stuffed it and was shifted to Ukraine, then again the republicans got in the way and cut funding promises so the War Machine Eye of Sauron turned to the middle east.

The only surprise is the progressives here are both anti war and anti Trump when they get what they want in regards to less war with that MAGA group.
 
poshman said:
You are hilarious. You make a claim, don't prove your claim, then say you guess you will give the benefit of the doubt if your claim is incorrect.

The doublespeak and bad faith has entered new territory.
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I'm citing you with the "benefit of the doubt" comment, but you must be aware by now how this thread allows for dual realities.
 
Taylor said:
You can feel the feels for the Israelis and the Palestinians more than anybody else and it makes no difference, but making sure everyone knows it makes it about you.

The US war machine was pulled out of the gravy train of Afghanistan by Trump and within a month of Biden trying to avoid having a single US casualty after Trump's planned time to pull out rushed it, stuffed it and was shifted to Ukraine, then again the republicans got in the way and cut funding promises so the War Machine Eye of Sauron turned to the middle east.

The only surprise is the progressives here are both anti war and anti Trump when they get what they want in regards to less war with that MAGA group.
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A complete embarrassment the Afghanistan withdrawal. Loss of life and billions of equipment. All so they could say they did it in time for 9/11.

As to all the feels and no practical solution, it is the revolutionary way. There is no plan post revolution, which is why it fits the socialist ideology so well.
 
poshman said:
Ha? I am lost.

Are you still claiming it was bigoted of me to say the ANE mindset is different to the western mindset?
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I wasn't interested in that post, but I will say that I have a different mindset to you and we don't live in different countries.
 
poshman said:
A complete embarrassment the Afghanistan withdrawal. Loss of life and billions of equipment. All so they could say they did it in time for 9/11.

As to all the feels and no practical solution, it is the revolutionary way. There is no plan post revolution, which is why it fits the socialist ideology so well.
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It's certainly cheap politics.

Politics of feelings are quite literally designed to hijack the votes of the non-engaged politically, those with good intentions but no solution and the stupid - always to the benefit of career political types.

The political class, which includes their media buds, is only interested in using the rubber stamp of the election process to validate their own empowering.

Doesn't it seem odd that almost everywhere there are a choice between two groups who almost the same on everything and if someone comes from outside that established system they are mocked, derided and outright attacked by that system?

Did nobody notice that in the twelve months since the US was recording massive trouble finding workers for the likes of McDonalds that they're projecting 12,000,000 arrivals via their southern border solving that problem of keeping costs down for big business?

... or do people think 12 million people just disappear and don't work?
 

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stax on the mull said:
I wasn't interested in that post, but I will say that I have a different mindset to you and we don't live in different countries.
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Yet it was that post which interacted with and said it was bigoted. At least this was the post that the others used to prove their claim that I said I disliked Islam, which has proven to be a figment of that posters imagination. You then posted the below:
stax on the mull said:
Just on this. My recollection was the tone and wording of the way it was originally posted was different.

There was mention of visits to North Africa and the Middle East, Poshman talking about both his business and charity work, and preceding that was a phrase along the lines of "before you all come at me..." to justify what he was saying.

When I first saw it, I had to stop from reading it all the way through because it seemed too bigoted and not worthy of consideration or response.
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So, when exactly will you admit you were wrong?

Are you now acknowledging there is a difference in mindset between the ANE and the west? And do you acknowledge it is not bigoted to state that?
 
Taylor said:
It's certainly cheap politics.

Politics of feelings are quite literally designed to hijack the votes of the non-engaged politically, those with good intentions but no solution and the stupid - always to the benefit of career political types.

The political class, which includes their media buds, is only interested in using the rubber stamp of the election process to validate their own empowering.

Doesn't it seem odd that almost everywhere there are a choice between two groups who almost the same on everything and if someone comes from outside that established system they are mocked, derided and outright attacked by that system?

Did nobody notice that in the twelve months since the US was recording massive trouble finding workers for the likes of McDonalds that they're projecting 12,000,000 arrivals via their southern border solving that problem of keeping costs down for big business?

... or do people think 12 million people just disappear and don't work?
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And sadly burdening social services and health care beyond breaking point.

It has been deeply sad, and I thought it would be amusing, to watch the promoters of sanctuary cities suffer with their constituents due to the influx of illegal immigrants. It has always been obvious that it was convenient as they weren't dealing with the issue. I hope that they fix the issue and that the coastal, deeply democrat cities start to see the light.
 
poshman said:
Yet it was that post which interacted with and said it was bigoted. At least this was the post that the others used to prove their claim that I said I disliked Islam, which has proven to be a figment of that posters imagination. You then posted the below:



So, when exactly will you admit you were wrong?

Are you now acknowledging there is a difference in mindset between the ANE and the west? And do you acknowledge it is not bigoted to state that?
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Yeah, the bit I remember is how said "before you all come at me" - which indicated that you thought there was already something problematic that could be read into your post, and you went on to remark how you had visited Middle East and North African and that you went there for reasons relating to business and for working for charity. That wording and what preceded it isn't there now though I recognize the other bit in the 1st paragraph, so that's why I say you moderated what you said. Perhaps I just caught your post early before you changed your mind about how you were going to put what you were going to say.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about whether it was edited or not, but I trust you can understand how someone might think your post wasn't worth commenting on, even if I've subsequently made it public in the forum that I thought it was bigoted when I indicated it had been changed, so I can also see how someone else might say you were against Islam.

Some stuff isn't that interesting so you move on, and that post, in it's original wording and tone I quickly moved on from after the way it made me feel, and the version as it is now is similarly of no interest to me as a question from you. Do you know what I mean?

At the moment, I'm really big on how all the warriors of the anti-woke are ignoring how the Pillow Guy was cancelled by Fox News, but nobody other than me seems to care. Where's all the RWNJ outrage? Unlike you though, and this may go to how our values differ, I don't demand answers to questions from people when they're not interested in what I'm saying.
 
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stax on the mull said:
Yeah, the bit I remember is how said "before you all come at me" - which indicated that you thought there was already something problematic that could be read into your post, and you went on to remark how you had visited Middle East and North African and that you went there for reasons relating to business and for working for charity. That wording and what preceded it isn't there now though I recognize the other bit in the 1st paragraph, so that's why I say you moderated what you said. Perhaps I just caught your post early before you changed your mind about how you were going to put what you were going to say.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about whether it was edited or not, but I trust you can understand how someone might think your post wasn't worth commenting on, even if I've subsequently made it public in the forum that I thought it was bigoted when I indicated it had been changed, so I can also see how someone else might say you were against Islam.

Some stuff isn't that interesting so you move on, and that post, in it's original wording and tone I quickly moved on from after the way it made me feel, and the version as it is now is similarly of no interest to me as a question from you. Do you know what I mean?

At the moment, I'm really big on how all the warriors of the anti-woke are ignoring how the Pillow Guy was cancelled by Fox News, but nobody other than me seems to care. Where's all the RWNJ outrage? Unlike you though, and this may go to how our values differ, I don't demand answers to questions from people when they're not interested in what I'm saying.
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I don't know who the pillow guy is... so I don't care.

I think you are referring to a separate post. Which would mean your commentary on this post is incorrect.

Now that is settled.

Do you acknowledge there is a difference in mindset between ANE and western countries? Do you admit that acknowledging that means we can celebrate and understand those cultures and even work with them? Or do you think we should treat them like any westerner even when they don't wish it?
 
stax on the mull said:
Yeah, the bit I remember is how said "before you all come at me" - which indicated that you thought there was already something problematic that could be read into your post, and you went on to remark how you had visited Middle East and North African and that you went there for reasons relating to business and for working for charity. That wording and what preceded it isn't there now though I recognize the other bit in the 1st paragraph, so that's why I say you moderated what you said. Perhaps I just caught your post early before you changed your mind about how you were going to put what you were going to say.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about whether it was edited or not, but I trust you can understand how someone might think your post wasn't worth commenting on, even if I've subsequently made it public in the forum that I thought it was bigoted when I indicated it had been changed, so I can also see how someone else might say you were against Islam.

Some stuff isn't that interesting so you move on, and that post, in it's original wording and tone I quickly moved on from after the way it made me feel, and the version as it is now is similarly of no interest to me as a question from you. Do you know what I mean?

At the moment, I'm really big on how all the warriors of the anti-woke are ignoring how the Pillow Guy was cancelled by Fox News, but nobody other than me seems to care. Where's all the RWNJ outrage? Unlike you though, and this may go to how our values differ, I don't demand answers to questions from people when they're not interested in what I'm saying.
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There is a significant difference when someone hasn't engaged on a topic or made personal attacks on someones character based on something they assume was said.

I haven't engaged on the pillow man. You engaged and attacked my character, which means it is fair for me to ask questions. Only a truly low person would do otherwise.
 
poshman said:
There is a significant difference when someone hasn't engaged on a topic or made personal attacks on someones character based on something they assume was said.

I haven't engaged on the pillow man. You engaged and attacked my character, which means it is fair for me to ask questions. Only a truly low person would do otherwise.
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I'm sure I did, but you're big enough to forgive.
 
King Huskii said:
I do. You just didn't like me pulling you up on your bigotry.
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hahaaha your imagined bigotry.

I think that it is clear bigotry to think that to very different cultures would have the same mindset. And then to assume they think and act like westerners.

Showing your bigotry there as well as weak comprehension skills.
 
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