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poshman said:
The radio is pretty good and when I am in the car I will listen to parts of country hour. The sports coverage depending on code is brilliant.

Name a policy they have landed on the same side or promoted that would line up with farmers? They are a minority. Name a policy in general where they land on the Liberal side.

So the employees are mostly from the left, we know editors and management are but we are meant to believe they are being unbiased? Like NPR?
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Glad you agree on sports.
Re Farmers. What do you mean? I've never known them 'to land' on either side. Farmers aren't a minority. They get 1hour of radio in the middle of everyday. How can you say that is a minority?They report what's happening to farmers across the country during country hour as well as very local news. The ABC has biased people in it. But I don't think it has a biased structure.
The abc has a business show every single week night. That's not bias.
The TV show Australian storey has people from all walks of life.
I'd admit that some interviews have a left bent depending on who is asking questions, but that pales when compared to the coverage they give the non mainstream, rural or otherwise.
The ABC does a great job.
 
BanjoRules said:
Starting to sound like Sky is more balanced than the ABC :)
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The main problem we've had are governments and their willing mouthpieces manipulating narratives and weaponising 'disinformation'.

A example of a variety of examples given by Glenn Greenwald.

"... part of an overall effort to create an entire industry based on a fake term, disinformation and a fake expertise disinformation expert, so that they can seize control of the discourse not not to correct it but to disseminate their own lies under coverage of this title."

"...media Outlets want to keep keep hold of a monopoly over the flow of information and one of the weapons they use is this disinformation industry and yet the Times of London yesterday published a big editorial condemning the fraud of the disinformation industry.

The headline of which was "The Times View on Press Ratings Agencies Quote Arbiters of Truth" and then the sub headline underneath reads "Self-appointed monitors of news accuracy such as the global disinformation index can undermine objective reporting by penalizing sites they disagree with"

Now these Media Outlets are starting to be targeted by these "disinformation experts". Now they're starting to raise their voice "What makes the influence of the global disinformation index (GDI) so pernicious as the Times is the dubiously broad construct of "disinformation" it now employs, not content with identifying false information, it now seeks to damage the financial model of websites.

... illustrates a Sinister irony of the anti-disinformation industry in setting themselves up as neutral Arbiters of accuracy the influence of their own biases risk creating a new form of misinformation. That is exactly the point when somebody proclaims themselves to be the Arbiter of Truth inside Homeland Security, or in highly well-funded think tanks or new organizations.

You know that what they're really doing is trying to seize control of the flow of information to discredit and ultimately suppress and censor any information that contradicts their political agenda."

 
BlueE said:
The main problem we've had are governments and their willing mouthpieces manipulating narratives and weaponising 'disinformation'.

A example of a variety of examples given by Glenn Greenwald.

"... part of an overall effort to create an entire industry based on a fake term, disinformation and a fake expertise disinformation expert, so that they can seize control of the discourse not not to correct it but to disseminate their own lies under coverage of this title."

"...media Outlets want to keep keep hold of a monopoly over the flow of information and one of the weapons they use is this disinformation industry and yet the Times of London yesterday published a big editorial condemning the fraud of the disinformation industry.

The headline of which was "The Times View on Press Ratings Agencies Quote Arbiters of Truth" and then the sub headline underneath reads "Self-appointed monitors of news accuracy such as the global disinformation index can undermine objective reporting by penalizing sites they disagree with"

Now these Media Outlets are starting to be targeted by these "disinformation experts". Now they're starting to raise their voice "What makes the influence of the global disinformation index (GDI) so pernicious as the Times is the dubiously broad construct of "disinformation" it now employs, not content with identifying false information, it now seeks to damage the financial model of websites.

... illustrates a Sinister irony of the anti-disinformation industry in setting themselves up as neutral Arbiters of accuracy the influence of their own biases risk creating a new form of misinformation. That is exactly the point when somebody proclaims themselves to be the Arbiter of Truth inside Homeland Security, or in highly well-funded think tanks or new organizations.

You know that what they're really doing is trying to seize control of the flow of information to discredit and ultimately suppress and censor any information that contradicts their political agenda."

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Yep without exaggeration this frightens me more than most things. The labelling of opinion and rhetoric that challenges your world view as misinformation or disinformation, and then creating entities to censor and suppress that information. It's dangerous dangerous shit
 

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Bicco said:
Glad you agree on sports.
Re Farmers. What do you mean? I've never known them 'to land' on either side. Farmers aren't a minority. They get 1hour of radio in the middle of everyday. How can you say that is a minority?They report what's happening to farmers across the country during country hour as well as very local news. The ABC has biased people in it. But I don't think it has a biased structure.
The abc has a business show every single week night. That's not bias.
The TV show Australian storey has people from all walks of life.
I'd admit that some interviews have a left bent depending on who is asking questions, but that pales when compared to the coverage they give the non mainstream, rural or otherwise.
The ABC does a great job.
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How are farmers not a minority? There is by definition far fewer of them than other members of society. They are a minority by definition.

You will rarely find a far left farmer, or far right for that matter. They are across the centre politically and lean conservative or common sense.

When discussions are taking place about emissions and global warming and new regulations, are the farmers fought for as much as other minorities? Or does it conflict with the left ideology in other areas and so shouldn't be mentioned?

The ABC does a horrible job of being impartial.

Would you believe a institution that was 99% one side of politics from the management through to editors and journalists was unbiased if they were of the different political persuasion than you?

You have proved the problem with them with articles you have shared personally on many occasions. Do you think their panel shows are also unbiased?

Is it only the abc who manages to escape bias or is that just people on the left?
 
Farmers and classical music lovers aren’t minorities in today’s meaning of the word, which focuses on racial and gender groups, victims and oppressed, which are what the left champions. Farmers are generally respected, until they clash with the climate cult, and CML are more of a niche group who so far are looked on as harmless 😉

The thing with the left and the ABC is that they know their view of the world is the correct one, virtuous, fair, morally right, and they brook no debate or alternative view and actively block or denounce opposing opinions. I’m thinking of interviews on 7.30, specifically with Shadow Minister for Climate and Energy, Ted O’Brien, during which Sarah Ferguson wouldn’t let him finish a sentence, and a high-ranking Israeli army officer who was told she didn’t believe a word he said and then cut him off. Peter Dutton has also received disrespectful treatment by Ferguson.

It’s Louise Milligan, btw.
 
Kram said:
Wheat and sheep farmers that would be happy to scorch every inch of earth they own just to make a few extra bucks on a crop are about the last people I'd listen to on the environment.
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Which is fine, but, the argument being made is one for voicing niche or minority stories and points of view.

You can't have just all the minority points of view you agree with if in fact that is you purpose and not left wing ideology.
 
If you bought $10,000 worth of WA1 in June of 2022 you have $1,493,600 today and could sell all of it and walk away with approximately $741,800 tax free and a tax bill of around $333,810 for $1,148,790 profit after tax.

But just as an aside, if the boomers do not like the ALP then they have the money (as shown in demographic spending habits) to bring all their next twelve months of spending into the next six months - pushing up inflation and lifting interest rates, bombing the current government in the election less than six months after.

Another interesting observation is that a nuclear power plant costs very little more per household than the $300 per household in energy rebate will, except it will provide cheap power for decades and lower prices over that time greater than $300 while being clean and green.
 
Taylor said:
If you bought $10,000 worth of WA1 in June of 2022 you have $1,493,600 today and could sell all of it and walk away with approximately $741,800 tax free and a tax bill of around $333,810 for $1,148,790 profit after tax.

But just as an aside, if the boomers do not like the ALP then they have the money (as shown in demographic spending habits) to bring all their next twelve months of spending into the next six months - pushing up inflation and lifting interest rates, bombing the current government in the election less than six months after.

Another interesting observation is that a nuclear power plant costs very little more per household than the $300 per household in energy rebate will, except it will provide cheap power for decades and lower prices over that time greater than $300 while being clean and green.
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Yes... if only I knew what their upper value will be 12 months from now. Missed the boat on this one sadly.

The federal gov is looking like they want to spend their way out of inflation. Also... what a crazy world we live in when a budget is looking like being over $20b in the red and it is considered 'conservative'.

Sheer lunacy.
 
I've noticed a lot of ALP voters being very upset with the performance of the government across this term, hoping now for an ALP/Green/Teal minority government out of the next election.

The LNP need to come up with some policy positions to be a counter point to the ALP. Not that I expect those closeted socialists voting ALP changing to voting green will achieve anything other than the next preferences round going to the ALP anyway, but that middle Australia want to vent their frustrations on someone.
 
poshman said:
Yes... if only I knew what their upper value will be 12 months from now. Missed the boat on this one sadly.

The federal gov is looking like they want to spend their way out of inflation. Also... what a crazy world we live in when a budget is looking like being over $20b in the red and it is considered 'conservative'.

Sheer lunacy.
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I'm expecting a global slow down around credit availability stalling will result in a recession and inflation will not be a problem anymore - they'll be pumping out cash to try and keep the economy on life support soon enough.

Building bulk housing hopefully, building national infrastructure would be great.
 
Taylor said:
I've noticed a lot of ALP voters being very upset with the performance of the government across this term, hoping now for an ALP/Green/Teal minority government out of the next election.

The LNP need to come up with some policy positions to be a counter point to the ALP. Not that I expect those closeted socialists voting ALP changing to voting green will achieve anything other than the next preferences round going to the ALP anyway, but that middle Australia want to vent their frustrations on someone.
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The behaviour of the Greens, particularly over the last few months, should place them dead last on election day.
 

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I don’t think being not biased means you’re not allowed to criticize people talking nonsense. I hate this idea you have to allow the flat earther equal time for “balance”.

Everything I’ve read about Dutton & his nuclear pitch says it has no grounds in practical reality on any useful timeline or cost basis.

Why should he be allowed to spout that or any other deliberate lying unchallenged?

Same goes for any Politician. Next time Albanese or anyone from labor talks about anti corruption or protecting whistle blowing I want journalists jumping down their throats for the deliberate lying they did before the last election.

Tony Abbot started this crap in Australia with his team Australia nonsense that the ABC should basically be a cheerleader for the government. That’s Pravda stuff. They should hold power to account full stop.

It’s the minorities on the social/economic end of the scale who need a voice. Corporations & big business doesn’t need more representation in the media for “balance”.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised you had that reaction to that teenage boy story. I had a similar thought when I first read the headline and thinking it was basically a hotness scale but "rapeability" list seems way way over the line and even teenage boys should understand that is pretty disgusting.

Maybe expulsion is a little harsh and I'd have been more lenient though with a pretty serious suspension but I'm not sure the punishment is too far off the mark
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I know someone who's got contact with a parent at that school in question. What was not said by the media was that the boys at the school knew of the list and openly rejected the 3 students who came up with the list. In fact it was a young male who reported the list to teachers. My point is simply generalising and sensationalising every story by media means we loose the truth in whats being discussed.

In many ways the fact that males at the school rejected misogynistic behaviour by 3 male students is a positive sign of how the school operates in regard to respect for women.
 
Personally, I'd prefer it if all women in Australia were considered "unrapeable". If I were writing for a show like The Chaser I'd have a sketch where a teenage boy is swiping through blurred photos of women and saying "unrapeable" and "oh, definitely unrapeable" for a little bit then turning to the camera and saying "women aren't for rape".
 
Taylor said:
I'm expecting a global slow down around credit availability stalling will result in a recession and inflation will not be a problem anymore - they'll be pumping out cash to try and keep the economy on life support soon enough.

Building bulk housing hopefully, building national infrastructure would be great.
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Life support would still be ugly. Sadly unless the situation gets very bad, I am not sure the voter base will ever suck up the pain required to get us on the right track long term.
 
poshman said:
Life support would still be ugly. Sadly unless the situation gets very bad, I am not sure the voter base will ever suck up the pain required to get us on the right track long term.
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I don't think either voter base would be prepared to wear short term financial pain for long term gain. I'm one of many who don't support either side of politics now. I can't see any change in the way we do things in Australia unless more third party views or views of independents who don't align with either side of politics getting heard. I think independents blocking the recent absurd ALP budget is a good start. I'm actuallu for traditional ALP views and I was repulsed by how far that budget went away from traditional ALP values. In case people are unaware people who own multiple homes but have their name on the energy bill receive $300 help per energy bill ($1,300) if in Queensland) so a rich person with two holiday homes gets a minimum of $900 in energy credit but zero help for the homeless in any meaningful way.
 
BanjoRules said:
Can any of you that maintain the ABC is not left wing biased name any ABC conservative presenters ?
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Amanda Vanstone presents a weekly show on Radio national. Tom Switzer was a presenter of various shows and was there about a decade until he retired recently. The Religion and Ethics report is by nature a program with a conservative outlook.

As far as programs like Insiders, Q&A, and the now defunct Drum it's more difficult to think of conservative commentator who hasn't appeared on those programs.

Then there's the ABC board which as someone pointed out earlier in reference to Tony Abbott, became stacked with appointments from big mining companies and friends of the coalition. Janet Albrechtsen was on there FFS!
 
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