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I have a reasonable musical knowledge. But this term has puzzled me slightly. I was reading the HS's 'Hit' mag last week, and I read the term 3 times in the one article (bands were described as 'post-Rock', post-punk, post-hardcore, or similar). It seems people have gone 'post' crazy. WTF does it mean, in that context? Post usually means 'coming after', but how can you be post-Rock, if Rock is still alive and well? Does it not mean chronologically after? Does it mean the band in question have progressed beyond the genre themselves? Does it mean they used to be Rock (or punk, or whatever) but they're not anymore? What does this mean?
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I think it means they still sound like the thing they are 'post', but they are not as good as the originals...
 

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The term Post-Punk has been used for a while though, and it made sense - coming out of the Ashes of the punk rock boom in the late 70s in the years directly following the Sex Pistols, but not full-on punk (influenced by punk).

Apart from that, Post-rock is such a vague term. What kind of rock are they referring to? Bunsen's right, I think it's just a buzzword hack journalists from Hit use to sound important.
 
The term post-rock has been associated with many experimental bands. A few of my favourites have been labelled so. Dirty Three and Sigur Ros for example. The reality is that they are poles apart in sound and style of song. Why the label? I suspect that the music press in general have problems slotting them into the tried and tested genres. I am not too offended by these labels. I at least think I can relate to what style of music that I am going to hear. A sound tending to the more instrumental though less than melodic. I am not sure that I am happy with that summation though.

Another term that we may hear is lo -fi. I love this style but again it's hard to define. I am a huge huge fan of Chris Knox/Tall Dwarfs and also like Daniel Johnston but again they are poles apart. The idea behind the term is that the recordings are lo fi and sound that way. The do it yourself ethos of the new wave in the mid to late 70's could be termed lo fi.

An interesting subject. Even if we do not like the labels I do recommend that anyone interested in finding bold new sounds will not be disappointed if they explore these "genres".
 
Yeah, very true John. I only got into this "post-rock" stuff recently and there's some really good bands out there. One I must mention is a Melbourne band called Laura...very good.

I can't remember the website, but do a google search for "The Silent Ballet" and you'll find a great new resource for post-rock, with reviews and stuff like that. There's a few albums available for download, which they've compiled themselves...that'll give you a good idea about what post-rock sounds like.
 
skybeau said:
Yeah, very true John. I only got into this "post-rock" stuff recently and there's some really good bands out there. One I must mention is a Melbourne band called Laura...very good.

I can't remember the website, but do a google search for "The Silent Ballet" and you'll find a great new resource for post-rock, with reviews and stuff like that. There's a few albums available for download, which they've compiled themselves...that'll give you a good idea about what post-rock sounds like.
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Fantastic site. What a great idea is the wiki page. Your a gem mate.
Cheers:thumbsu::thumbsu:
 
johnnyhoward said:
The term Post-Punk has been used for a while though, and it made sense - coming out of the Ashes of the punk rock boom in the late 70s in the years directly following the Sex Pistols, but not full-on punk (influenced by punk).

Apart from that, Post-rock is such a vague term. What kind of rock are they referring to? Bunsen's right, I think it's just a buzzword hack journalists from Hit use to sound important.
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Yet people even use the word "77 punk" as a subgenre for bands similar to the sound of Sex Pistols, for example this has been used to describe Aussie band H-Block 101. Shouldn't this just be called punk rock.

Just from wikipedia here are all the subgenres/fusion genres of punk rock.

2 Tone - Anarcho-punk - Anti-folk - Art punk - Celtic punk - Cowpunk - Crust punk - Dance-punk - Deathcountry - Death pop - Deathrock - Electro rock - Emo - Folk punk - Gaelic punk - Garage punk - Glam punk - Gothabilly - Hardcore punk - Post-hardcore - Horror punk - Jazz punk - Mod revival - Nazi punk - New Wave - No Wave - Noise rock - Oi! - Pop punk - Post-punk - Psychobilly - Punk blues - Punk Pathetique - Queercore - Reggae rock - Riot Grrrl - Scum punk - Ska punk - Skate punk - Streetpunk - Synthpunk - Taqwacore.


A couple of those even have their own subgenres. Most of it is crap, I don't know why some people have to pigeon hole artists. Just to show you the insanity of Wikipedia and sub-genre nazis, they have labelled Fugazi both hardcore and post-hardcore.
 
jabso said:
Well emo is pretty much post-hardcore (or hardcore punk at least) as far as I'm concerned.

On the topic of hardcore, that is the most broad sub-genre out there.
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No way. Metal was always a sub-genre of Rock. But is it any more? Is it it's own genre now? It certainly has distanced itself from the Rock genre in recent years. But has it made full genre status? If not, it is by far the broadest sub-genre. You mention hardcore as being the broadest....hardcore is actually a 'partial sub-genre' of Metal, being a hybrid of Metal and Punk.
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Roddy said:
No way. Metal was always a sub-genre of Rock. But is it any more? Is it it's own genre now? It certainly has distanced itself from the Rock genre in recent years. But has it made full genre status? If not, it is by far the broadest sub-genre. You mention hardcore as being the broadest....hardcore is actually a 'partial sub-genre' of Metal, being a hybrid of Metal and Punk.
We go round and round.....
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I meant broad as the definition. Metal is broader in the way you said but just aobut any punk rock band that's kinda fast, loud or raw and even for some reason heavier emo bands (including screamo) are called hardcore. I meant it is the most debated about genre.
 

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