Fact PREMIERSHIPS at a DIFFERENT CLUB

[stmookeyj]

A lot of players make the excuse that they left a club to play in a premiership or play in finals. In an attempt to bust the myth, here's a list of players since 1980 that left a club one year to play in another clubs' premiership side. Note that this table only takes into account players who left a VFL/AFL club rather than a SANFL/WAFL/interstate club in the pre-draft days.

[B]PLAYER              CLUB LEFT        YEAR     CLUB ARRIVED      FLAG YEAR[/B]
Mick MALTHOUSE      St.Kilda         1976     Richmond          1980
Barry ROWLINGS      Hawthorn         1978     Richmond          1980
Peter WELSH         Hawthorn         1978     Richmond          1980
Greg WELLS          Melbourne        1980     Carlton           1981
Mario BORTOLOTTO    Geelong          1980     Carlton           1981, 1982
Val PEROVIC         St.Kilda         1979     Carlton           1981, 1982
Michael BYRNE       Melbourne        1982     Hawthorn          1983
Russell GREENE      St.Kilda         1980     Hawthorn          1983, 1986, 1988
Terry DANIHER       Sth Melbourne    1977     Essendon          1984, 1985
Bryan WOOD          Richmond         1982     Essendon          1985
Tony ELSHAUG        Melbourne        1983     Essendon          1985
David RHYS-JONES    Sydney           1984     Carlton           1987
Justin MADDEN       Essendon         1982     Carlton           1987, 1995
Shane MORWOOD       Sydney           1982     Collingwood       1990
Doug BARWICK        Fitzroy          1987     Collingwood       1990
Peter WILSON        Richmond         1989     West Coast        1992, 1994
Paul HARDING        St.Kilda         1991     West Coast        1992
Sean DENHAM         Geelong          1991     Essendon          1993
Greg WILLIAMS       Sydney           1991     Carlton           1995
Matt CLAPE          West Coast       1994     Carlton           1995
Earl SPALDING       Melbourne        1991     Carlton           1995
Brad PEARCE         Brisbane         1993     Carlton           1995
Glenn MANTON        Essendon         1994     Carlton           1995
Dean RICE           St.Kilda         1993     Carlton           1995
Matthew HOGG        Footscray        1991     Carlton           1995
Dean LAIDLEY        West Coast       1992     Nth Melbourne     1996
Robert SCOTT        Geelong          1994     Nth Melbourne     1996
John BLAKEY         Fitzroy          1992     Nth Melbourne     1996, 1999
Mark ROBERTS        Brisbane         1990     Nth Melbourne     1996
Peter BELL          Fremantle        1995     Nth Melbourne     1996, 1999
Darren JARMAN       Hawthorn         1995     Adelaide          1997, 1998
Kym KOSTER          Footscray        1995     Adelaide          1997, 1998
Matthew ROBRAN      Hawthorn         1991     Adelaide          1997, 1998
Brett JAMES         Collingwood      1996     Adelaide          1997, 1998
Shane ELLEN         Footscray        1995     Adelaide          1997, 1998
Matthew CONNELL     West Coast       1993     Adelaide          1997, 1998
Troy BOND           Carlton          1995     Adelaide          1997
Clay SAMPSON        Melbourne        1996     Adelaide          1997
Peter CAVEN         Sydney           1995     Adelaide          1997, 1998
Mark STEVENS        Nth Melbourne    1997     Adelaide          1998
James THIESSEN      Richmond         1993     Adelaide          1998
Shannon GRANT       Sydney           1997     Nth Melbourne     1999
Martin PIKE         Fitzroy          1996     Nth Melbourne     1999
Martin PIKE         Nth Melbourne    2000     Brisbane          2001, 2002, 2003
Winston ABRAHAM     Fremantle        1997     Nth Melbourne     1999
Shane CLAYTON       Brisbane         1998     Nth Melbourne     1999
Sean WELLMAN        Adelaide         1995     Essendon          2000
Paul BARNARD        Hawthorn         1995     Essendon          2000
John BARNES         Geelong          1999     Essendon          2000
Brad SCOTT          Hawthorn         1997     Brisbane          2001, 2002
Chris JOHNSON       Fitzroy (Merger) 1996     Brisbane          2001, 2002, 2003
Alastair LYNCH      Fitzroy          1993     Brisbane          2001, 2002, 2003
Mal MICHAEL         Collingwood      2000     Brisbane          2001, 2002, 2003
Blake CARACELLA     Essendon         2002     Brisbane          2003
Darryl WAKELIN      St.Kilda         2000     Port Adelaide     2004
Brett MONTGOMERY    West.Bulldogs    1999     Port Adelaide     2004
Gavin WANGANEEN     Essendon         1996     Port Adelaide     2004
Jarrad SCHOFIELD    West Coast       1998     Port Adelaide     2004
Damien HARDWICK     Essendon         2001     Port Adelaide     2004
Byron PICKETT       Nth Melbourne    2002     Port Adelaide     2004
Matthew BISHOP      Melbourne        1999     Port Adelaide     2004
Josh MAHONEY        West.Bulldogs    2000     Port Adelaide     2004
Barry HALL          St.Kilda         2001     Sydney            2005
Nick DAVIS          Collingwood      2002     Sydney            2005
Craig BOLTON        Brisbane         2002     Sydney            2005
Paul WILLIAMS       Collingwood      2000     Sydney            2005
Darren JOLLY        Melbourne        2004     Sydney            2005
Darren JOLLY        Sydney           2009     Collingwood       2010
Jason BALL          West Coast       1999     Sydney            2005
Tyson STENGLEIN     Adelaide         2004     West Coast        2006
Daniel CHICK        Hawthorn         2002     West Coast        2006
Steven ARMSTRONG    Melbourne        2005     West Coast        2006
Tom HARLEY          Port Adelaide    1998     Geelong           2007, 2009
Brad OTTENS         Richmond         2004     Geelong           2007, 2009
Cameron MOONEY      Nth Melbourne    1999     Geelong           2007, 2009
Brent GUERRA        St.Kilda         2005     Hawthorn          2008
Trent CROAD         Fremantle        2003     Hawthorn          2008
Stephen GILHAM      Port Adelaide    2005     Hawthorn          2008
Stuart DEW          Port Adelaide    2006     Hawthorn          2008
Luke BALL           St.Kilda         2009     Collingwood       2010
Leigh BROWN         Nth Melbourne    2008     Collingwood       2010

Note that a number of players on this list either played for clubs before the club they left, or played for clubs after they left their premiership team without success. 3 players on this list (Thiessen, Mahoney, Dew) all didn't appear in the AFL between the time they left their club and the time they appeared in their premiership team. There are also a couple of players (e.g. Andrew McLeod) who were listed by clubs without playing a game before heading to another club for a premiership.


To me, this proves that most of the time, leaving a club for another does not guarantee any premiership, and if a premiership is eventually won it comes well after they transfer except in a few cases. It also shows that building a team from the draft is probably the better way to making a flag contender.

 

[scaryness]

pretty good list so far.
thought i would do some research on this from 1898-1910 but I don't know how to do the box list so you can add these if you want.

Jack Deas - maybe the first player to do so. In 1897 played only 2 games for south melbourne, then didn't play a game in 1898, moved to Fitzroy and was in the 1899 premiership team.

Eddie Drohan - Played in both the 1898 and 1899 Fitzroy premierships and moved to Collingwood in 1903 and they won the premiership that year.

Corrie Gardner - Played 12 games for Essendon in 1898, didn't play in 1899, then moved to Melbourne in 1900 and won the premiership.

Harry Parkin - Played 2 games for Geelong in 1899 then moved to Melbourne and won the 1900 premiership.

Jack Purse - Played 1 game for st. kilda in 1898-1899 then moved to Melbourne and won the 1900 premiership.

Jack Incoll - Played 4 games for South Melbournein 1899 then moved to Collingwood and won the premierhsip in 1902 and 1903.

Arthur Leach - Moved from Essendon in 1898 and played in collingwoods 1902-03 premierships

George & Teddy Lockwood - both twins moved from Geelong in 1902 and won both 1902-1903 premierships

Jack McDonough - Moved from South in 1904 and won back to back premierships for Fitzroy (1904-05)

Frank Caine - Played in Carltons 1906 and 1907 premierships then played in the 1912 premiership for essendon.

Fred Elliott - Played for Melbourne in 1899 then played in Carltons 1906 and 1908 premierships

Jim Flynn - Played for Geelong from 1897-1902 then played in Carltons threepeat from 1906-1908

Mick Grace - Played in Fitzroys 1898-1899 flags then played in carltons 1906 and 1907 flags

Ted Kennedy - played for Essendon from 1901-1903 then played in Carltons threepeat.

Harvey Kelly - Played for South in 1902 then played in Carltons 1907 and 1908 flags.

Dick Harris - Played for Essendon then moved to Carltons to play in 1907 premiership.

Vin Gardiner - Played for Melbourne in 1905 then played in Carltons 1908 and 1915 premiership.

Horrie Drane - Played for Melbourne then played in South's 1909 premiership.

Ted Wade - Played for Melbourne then played in South's 1909 premiership.

Charlie Norris - Played in Collingwoods 1910 premiership then moved to Fitzroy and played in Fitzroys 1913 and 1916 premierships.

Dave Ryan - Played for Geelong then played in Collingwoods 1910 flag.

 

[Supermercado]

Ted Wane - Played for Melbourne then played in South's 1909 premiership.

Should be Ted Wade.

Other ex-Melbourne players not mentioned are;

Vernon Hazel
Essendon 1911

Lou Riley
Collingwood 1935-1936

Peter Keenan
North Melbourne 1977