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Was really impressed with Darling and Brown yesterday which got me thinking that our spine is actually going to be pretty strong in a few years.

FF: C.Wilson, Darling
HF: Kennedy, Darling
C: Naitanui, Lycett
HB: Brown, Schofield, B.Wilson
FB: McKenzie, Bown
Emg: Hamp, McGovern

Ret: Glass, Bones, Cox

Seems like we have a nice spead between talls and smalls/mids so can focus on best available at the draft for the next couple of years without having to worry about plugging huge deficiencys in the list..... providing the youngsters come on like we all hope of course.

Yes, we still need some quality crumbers and fast outside mids!
 
FB: MacKenzie
CHB: Brown
R: Naitanui
CHF: Kennedy
FF: Darling

It's a very solid young spine. Time will tell if they become A grade, but they've all shown some promising signs. I rate it only behind Essendon and maybe the GC in terms of potential for young spines in the AFL (Collingwood's is very good they just need a better young ruckman than Wood and I personally don't rate Dawes that highly). Our young spine is very underrated outside of WA.
 
Prem87 said:
FB: MacKenzie
CHB: Brown
R: Naitanui
CHF: Kennedy
FF: Darling

It's a very solid young spine. Time will tell if they become A grade, but they've all shown some promising signs. I rate it only behind Essendon and maybe the GC in terms of potential for young spines in the AFL (Collingwood's is very good they just need a better young ruckman than Wood and I personally don't rate Dawes that highly). Our young spine is very underrated outside of WA.
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I personally think that it is underrated in WA as well.

Once Brown is played back permanently and Mackenzie continues his development after Glass goes, it will be a handy combo. Very exciting when you add in the medium/small defenders in JoJo, Hurn, Sheppard, Smith etc.
 
Re Darling, When he is fully developed and had some experience would he be a better CHF or FF?

I ask because if he would be a better CHF is there any chance Kennedy could move to FF and have Darling at CHF?

Kennedy is a very good contested mark and could adapt to FF pretty well I think and I think Darling would have a better tank and be more agile and from the tiny bit that i have seen and the decent amount i have read would seem more like a natural CHF more than FF.
 

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jknothimjustafan said:
Re Darling, When he is fully developed and had some experience would he be a better CHF or FF?

I ask because if he would be a better CHF is there any chance Kennedy could move to FF and have Darling at CHF?

Kennedy is a very good contested mark and could adapt to FF pretty well I think and I think Darling would have a better tank and be more agile and from the tiny bit that i have seen and the decent amount i have read would seem more like a natural CHF more than FF.
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Should it pan out that way - there is no reason they couldn't alternate during a game

CHF is fairly taxing - so it would be good to have an option to keep them both on the field.
 
Since when is Kennedy a good contested mark? Can hardly remember the last time I saw him win a one on one, certainly didn't on the weekend against a bloke who hasn't played an AFL level match before. Oh sorry, one where Coad tripped over...
 
jknothimjustafan said:
Re Darling, When he is fully developed and had some experience would he be a better CHF or FF?

I ask because if he would be a better CHF is there any chance Kennedy could move to FF and have Darling at CHF?

Kennedy is a very good contested mark and could adapt to FF pretty well I think and I think Darling would have a better tank and be more agile and from the tiny bit that i have seen and the decent amount i have read would seem more like a natural CHF more than FF.
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I wouldn't go movin Kennedy too much, because his biggest asset is his workrate which is best served at centre half forward pushing up the wing. Don't go wrecking a spot which is coming along nicely to try and possibly fix another. After yesterdays game I think our no 1 FF is darling. He looks a great prospect up there and has the speed and fitness to push up th field and pinch hit in the middle.
 
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Since when is Kennedy a good contested mark? Can hardly remember the last time I saw him win a one on one, certainly didn't on the weekend against a bloke who hasn't played an AFL level match before. Oh sorry, one where Coad tripped over...
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He's good in a tight contest on the lead but that's about it. He's an ok contested mark, took a few when he was in great form early last year. We wouldn't be asking for him to play a Travis Cloke kind of role though in any case, we would have him leading out from the square as much as possible.
 
It is looking solid and I dont know what the stats are or if it is my imagination but we dont seem to dominate in the air too much.
Big grabs etc.

Maybe its the same for all teams and in modern day football the aerialist is a rare thing.
 
Darling reminds me a lot of Fev in the way he moves and even in body shape but doesn't mean he will be a gun FF. One thing going for him as a FF is that he's damn quick/explosive on the lead like Fev but more importantly is very very smart in his leads etc.

Callum Wilson is underatedly good on the lead also, really knows when to time them, its just a shame no one spots him up.

Naita although dangerous up forward, forces the team subconsciously to bang it high to the square rather than kick the ball into space to force the forward to lead into it. We look a million times better when no ruckman play anywhere near the forward 50. Cox needs to play the sweeper role in defence when not rucking and Naita just needs to make every contest around the ground and play as a clearance specialist.
 
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Since when is Kennedy a good contested mark? Can hardly remember the last time I saw him win a one on one, certainly didn't on the weekend against a bloke who hasn't played an AFL level match before. Oh sorry, one where Coad tripped over...
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He took 3 contested marks on the weekend - that is a very good return from any player ... as a team we only took 11 and GC only got 6!
 

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Rids said:
He took 3 contested marks on the weekend - that is a very good return from any player ... as a team we only took 11 and GC only got 6!
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Fair enough, you're the stats man!

But I think we'd all agree it's an area of his game he can work on, if he can get it right with his athleticism he can be a 50+ goal a season forward for the next decade.
 
what's happened to Schofield??

i went for o/s about round 11 last year and missed 7 weeks and didn't see much of the last few rounds when i got back. but when i left he looked like he was firmly digging in as our long term CHB but there were a lot of negative comments about him in the back half of the season....

and judging on this thread he's fallen out of favour further....

i think our spine was starting to look like it was developing very nicely last year and the addition of Darling and the performances of Callum Wilson in the last few games means that between the two of them we should be able to find a long term solution at FF.

It's kind of the opposite situation we found ourselves in 2002 and 2003 where our midfield was developing well but we aging KPP - McIntosh, Jakovich, Wilson - and even Phil Matera was chipping in as a FF.

Without sounding like another optimistic pre-season post it's probably a better position to be in where your KPP develop before your midfielders because midfielders usually develop faster than KPP so you can potentially time it so that your entire team peaks at once.... But it can also be a bit more risky because if your midfield doesn't develop than you won't win a premiership and you will end up wasting having a quality spine....
 
bodazoka said:
FB: McKenzie
CHB: Brown
CHF: Kennedy
FF: ?????

Ruck: Naita

Still need a quality FF and at this stage McKenzie doesnt look like a premiership FB.
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alot of players dont look like premiership players until they win a premiership.
 
jknothimjustafan said:
Re Darling, When he is fully developed and had some experience would he be a better CHF or FF?

I ask because if he would be a better CHF is there any chance Kennedy could move to FF and have Darling at CHF?

Kennedy is a very good contested mark and could adapt to FF pretty well I think and I think Darling would have a better tank and be more agile and from the tiny bit that i have seen and the decent amount i have read would seem more like a natural CHF more than FF.
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Darling is playing as the 3rd Tall in the forward line, His best pos IMHO is off the HFF to kennedys right, Kennedy likes to lead to the left more then the right.
bodazoka said:
FB: McKenzie
CHB: Brown
CHF: Kennedy
FF: ?????

Ruck: Naita

Still need a quality FF and at this stage McKenzie doesnt look like a premiership FB.
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LYCETT at FF

We generally play 3 talls at each end of the ground.
It makes sense that Lycett who will be playing mainly as a forward in the WAFL this year will be our long term FF.

As I see it in 2 or 3 years if not next year depending on cercumstances obviously.(Talls Bolded)
FB: Waters, Mackenzie, Schofield
HB: Hurn, Brown, Smith
C: Rosa, Stevens, Sheppard
HF: Strijk, Kennedy, Darling
FF: LeCras, Lycett, Hams
RR: Naitanui, Shuey, Gaff
Int: Masten, Ebert, Houlihan, S.Selwood
Sub: Broome

Yes their is 4 on the int bench and thats because after a few stars get injuried they will change it back and still have the SUB.
I see Naita and Lycett rotating between FF and Ruck to throw the opposition off. 1 in athletic with Freaky skills and the other is Fast and powerful. I cant think of 1 defender in the league who could handle 2 forwards 200cm plus all game.
 

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thorne89 said:
Are we all hoping Lycett may turn out like a Tippett style ruckman who plays mainly/almost exclusively as a forward when developed?
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From what i've seen of him i dont think he'll ever end up like tippett. But if he reaches his potential think ottens at his best or if we're really really lucky think paul salmon.
 
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Are we all hoping Lycett may turn out like a Tippett style ruckman who plays mainly/almost exclusively as a forward when developed?
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I certainly am, assuming they keep the 3+1 interchange rule - Lycett 70/30 FF/ruck would fit the bill perfectly if he's good enough.

That's the beauty of Darling too, he's so flexible that he can play the third tall/HF while Lycett is FF and then when Lycett moves into the ruck Darling becomes the key target.
 
I think we have promising talls, it whether we can get the ball to them this year.

Juddernaut33 said:
alot of players dont look like premiership players until they win a premiership.
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There's a few former premiership players at the club who get slagged on this board. End of the day they have a flag no matter whether you think other players where more talented.

Hypothesis:

Would you rather be a champion player and play 250-300+ games but never get a flag. (Richo, Harvey, Grant, B. Johnson etc...)

or

Be a solid player 100-150 games or so and walk away with ultimate glory.
(Bones, Lynch, Rowan Jones etc...)

or

Fluke a flag and play 50-100 games or so.
(Richard Hadley, Steven Armstrong, Clay Sampson etc...)
 

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