Random Stats from 2015

[SaintsSeptember]

Jack Steven is second in the AFL for "inside 50"s but on average per game Joey is number 1.

Nick Riewoldt takes more marks per game than any other player. Dempster is 12th.

Delaney is tenth in the AFL for disposal efficiency, but of those above him , only Jarad Rivers had enough game time for it to be anything more than a fluke. ( ie the rest were young players who played one game and did a real good job of disposing of their 3 balls ).

Joey is 4th in the AFL for uncontested disposals. Wherever he's running to , it must be the right place.

Steven is 4th in the AFL for tackles.

 

[Kilroy]

Jack Steven is second in the AFL for "inside 50"s but on average per game Joey is number 1.

Nick Riewoldt takes more marks per game than any other player. Dempster is 12th.

Delaney is tenth in the AFL for disposal efficiency, but of those above him , only Jarad Rivers had enough game time for it to be anything more than a fluke. ( ie the rest were young players who played one game and did a real good job of disposing of their 3 balls ).

Joey is 4th in the AFL for uncontested disposals. Wherever he's running to , it must be the right place.

Steven is 4th in the AFL for tackles.

Josh Bruce was 7th in total contested marks. Equal 10th in total goal-kicking. That means he's arrived as a legitimate tall forward in the AFL.

Cam Shenton kicked 4 goals at an 80% conversion rate and Sinclair kicked 18 goals at 66.7% (that is, 2 out of every 3 shots went through the big sticks).

Billy Longer came 7th in total hitouts (with a bullet!).

Jack Steven was 3rd for average AFL fantasy points, Joey 8th. (Steven was actually 1st and Joey 3rd for average “inside 50s”.)

 

[sasaint]

Josh Bruce was 7th in total contested marks. Equal 10th in total goal-kicking. That means he's arrived as a legitimate tall forward in the AFL.

Cam Shenton kicked 4 goals at an 80% conversion rate and Sinclair kicked 18 goals at 66.7% (that is, 2 out of every 3 shots went through the big sticks).

Billy Longer came 7th in total hitouts (with a bullet!).

Jack Steven was 3rd for average AFL fantasy points, Joey 8th. (Steven was actually 1st and Joey 3rd for average “inside 50s”.)

Talk about the Saints being the quiet achievers!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Its not great news.
Armitage is our best clearance winner, but he's 14th in the AFL.
Then there is daylight....Steven.... more daylight, Joey, then more daylight and Ross.
Some of Ross, Dunstan etc need to step up and help Armo out so that we aren't so lacking in this area.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Its not great news.
Armitage is our best clearance winner, but he's 14th in the AFL.
Then there is daylight....Steven.... more daylight, Joey, then more daylight and Ross.
Some of Ross, Dunstan etc need to step up and help Armo out so that we aren't so lacking in this area.

I suspect the coaches were expecting Seb to do more of that heavy lifting, but then he was out for the first half of the year, and really rusty in the second.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I suspect the coaches were expecting Seb to do more of that heavy lifting, but then he was out for the first half of the year, and really rusty in the second.

We need our best to be better, and we need more to shoulder the load.

During our last game against west coast clearances were:
Priddis 9
Shoey 6
Armitage 5
Steven 5
Newnes 5
Ross 5
Naitanui 4
Sheed 4
Hutchings 4
Gaff 4

It kind of suggests that our best are holding their own but we need more from the other 18 players.
( interestingly Saints won more centre clearances ).

Dunstan is interesting, sometimes he has a blinder, could be great if he becomes more consistent.

Bulldogs round 13.
Dunstan 9
Armitage 8
Bompetelli 7
Dickson 4
Goodes 4
Hrovat 4

The loss to GWS was interesting
Ward got 9 Clearances, but Joey got 8.
Then we had Steven on 6.
But they then had all of Coniglio , Steele, Treloar and Palmer getting 5.
( Longer got 5 too ).

Yes Ross may well help and so will Dunstan (Ross only got 7 disposals in the GWS game above ). To me Ross needs to be able to be averaging 4 or more clearances per game, because he's not good enough in other areas.
They are going to have crap games too though.
Freeman and Gresham could make a difference in this area.
Sometimes i wonder why Weller has to be a tagger too, i think he'd go OK if he was off the leash.

 

[The Punter]

The potential advantage we'll get that other clubs do not necessarily have is Longer winning his own clearances. I suspect he has this potential in him to become a better version of Ben Hudson and win his own clearances after ruck contests.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The potential advantage we'll get that other clubs do not necessarily have is Longer winning his own clearances. I suspect he has this potential in him to become a better version of Ben Hudson and win his own clearances after ruck contests.

I noticed that, i think it's what makes him a clear choice for number one ruck.

 

[DarkSaint]

I noticed that, i think it's what makes him a clear choice for number one ruck.

Plus his durability especially with the capped rotations. The Guy is a freak already at such a young age and in 3 or so years time when he gets an even bigger engine look out!

 

[kosifantutti]

I don't get the love for Longer. Some nice ruck work and tries hard but seems to have no idea in marking contests which should be one of his major weapons.

 

[RoundCubic]

I don't get the love for Longer. Some nice ruck work and tries hard but seems to have no idea in marking contests which should be one of his major weapons.

This is like complaining about a 19 year old 25 disposal a game inside mid because he doesn't kick goals or have a bounce often enough for you he is a freaking pup

Longer was Vic metro Captain is still developing physically but came 7th in the AFL for total HO's and 10th for average HO's this year while missing 4 games and playing with an injury from his last 4 Longer was running top 3 before round 15 and he had only turned 22

Longer as a junior did take marks and played forward as an underager but rucks are gonna be slower then even forwards to adjust to AFL because they have such a physical advantage as a junior and then a huge physical disadvantage against their opponents in the AFL most of his opponents are aged between 27-33.

Longer averaged much more HO's and similar stats to Goldstein at the same age Longer is already better then half the 1st rucks and he apparently came to last preseason out of shape

For a glimpse of his future forget the Essendon game (34 HO 18 disposals) where he got a nice article look at the Carlton game playing as our lone ruck aged 21 against 2 rucks aged 25 and 28 he had 51 HO's, 20 disposals and 5 tackles he is a machine!!!

Longer is also hard at the ball at ground level tackling mid's and creating space for our boys (he'll end his career with a nose uglier then Burkys) he still needs to develop other parts of his game but he also had 47 HO against GWS and 39 HO against GC he's not a nice ruck he is the freaking demolition man!!!

He will absolutely demoralise opposition midfields in the future as they have to spend all day watching our guys getting first touc

Another year or two once he gets his full AFL body and fitness he will take more pack and contested marks, Longer also spend some time forward as a junior and people predicted he would start as a ruck/forward so he may start kicking some goals.

I would guess in 2017 he will be top 3 for HO's in the league and averaging 13-16 disposals 3-5 tackles and 5-6 marks a game with the odd goal

Longer also has those qualities we look for in character and leadership he will be a big finals player. People say Billings is our only elite prospect but Longer was a big part of why we looked so much better this year and as far as HO's go Longer is elite

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

I don't get the love for Longer. Some nice ruck work and tries hard but seems to have no idea in marking contests which should be one of his major weapons.

I wont go Into as much detail as Round Cubic but Billy is still very young in Ruck terms. I think hes developing at a great rate and for a kind of laconic guy off the field he seems to have a real competitive edge on it. Will lock in the number 1 ruck position for yrs to come.
But hey thats just my opinion. Your entitled to yours Kos

 

[The Punter]

Longer's inability to clunk marks is an annoyance, and an area in which he is clearly behind Hickey. If Longer could do that and perhaps pinch hit forward occasionally, that would be such an added string to his bow. But his trajectory is only going in one direction.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

As part of the Stats topic.
Longer is rated 17th of the AFL rucks.

 

[The Punter]

Rated by?

Let me try to guess the first 16: Goldstein, Sandilands, Natanui, Jacobs, Martin, Mumford, Ryder ... then you're getting into disputed territory depending on how you assess Grundy, McEvoy, Blicavs, Gawn, Sinclair, Kruezer & Maric. And I've still only got to 14. Surely Longer is better than anyone Essendon, Gold Coast or the Western Bulldogs have got to put on the park at the moment.

 

[gringo2011]

Jack Steven finished with the 11 most kicks in the AFL and has a better average than some of the guys above him who racked up more in finals, he is also 4th for tackles. Armo 9th for handballs but much better percentage than the finalists. Jack Steven was 8th in fantasy footy scores but was 1st on percentage.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Rated by?

Let me try to guess the first 16: Goldstein, Sandilands, Natanui, Jacobs, Martin, Mumford, Ryder ... then you're getting into disputed territory depending on how you assess Grundy, McEvoy, Blicavs, Gawn, Sinclair, Kruezer & Maric. And I've still only got to 14. Surely Longer is better than anyone Essendon, Gold Coast or the Western Bulldogs have got to put on the park at the moment.

The official afl player ratings.
Minson is a legit addition to your list.
http://www.afl.com.au/afl/stats/player-ratings/overall-standings#position/ruck
You can find an explanation on how they do it. They don't show the actual algorithm which makes it hard to explain for example how Bliclavs is rated higher than Martin who has double the hitouts. But maybe it includes hitouts to advantage, and takes off points for clangers.
It also seems that the goals weighting is fairly high, maybe favoring forwards who do a bit of ruckwork.
Its for 2015 and has: ( the stats have been added by me ).
Goldstein Rating 606
Natanui
Jacobs
Sandilands
Maric - HO 558 Goals 11 Clearances 75 Disp 287 CP177 Rating 448
Ryder - HO 412 Goals 18 Clearances 37 Disp 210 CP121
McEvoy- HO 371 Goals 12 Clearances 39 Disp 210 CP121
Bliclavs- HO 343 Goals 4 Clearances 76 Disp 382 CP202 Rating 375
Martin - HO 650 Goals 5 Clearances 96 Disp 433 CP200 Rating 369
Mumford ONLY 11 games - HO 423 Goals 1 clearances 35 Disp 133 CP85
Minson ONLY 10 games - HO 265 Goals 3 clearances 35 Disp 102 CP57
Lobbe (17 games) HO 517 Goals 5 clearances 31 Disp 141 CP80
Pyke HO 519 Goals 4 Clearances 31 Disp 164 CP 87 Rating 285
Grundy HO 462, goals 8, Clearances 61, Disp 293 CP154
Hale HO 285 , goals 13, Clearances 38, Disp 163, CP 93
Witts (ONly 11 games ) HO 245, goals 5, Clearances 31, Disposals 115, CP67
Longer HO 525, goals 1,Clearances 49, Disp 167, CP 101 Rating 268

Not much difference in scores between Pyke and Longer.
Jordon Roughead is rated 21st
Tom Nichols 22nd
Cam Wood , Carlton's best 23rd ( on spot ahead of GC Zac Smith ).
Tom Hickey is 28th
Essendon's best was Giles at 32nd Rated 4 ahead of Lleuenberger

 

[The Punter]

Those player ratings are ... not very useful.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Those player ratings are ... not very useful.

You kind of have to question ratings that put players that have been de-listed and not picked up by anyone in the top 20 of their category.

 

[sonnywalters]

We ranked 18th in goal conversions. We were the only side in the AFL to kick more points than goals for the season.

Hawks ranked first.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We ranked 18th in goal conversions. We were the only side in the AFL to kick more points than goals for the season.

Hawks ranked first.

Of our highest points kickers *, Riewoldt, Minchington and Bruce kick more goals than points.
Lonie, Schnieder and Paddy kick more points than goals.

Joey kicked less points for the year ( 15) than Lonie (17) but also less goals. But some of his goals were pretty tasty so i forgive him.

* based on average per game.

Apart from our experienced trio , Joey, Steven, Armo, the most kicks into 50 ( average per game ) was from...............










BILLINGS

 

[hayes]

We ranked 18th in goal conversions. We were the only side in the AFL to kick more points than goals for the season.

Hawks ranked first.

Of course they were first. Ridiculous how good that football team is, whatever they're doing we need to start doing it ASAP.

Of our highest points kickers *, Riewoldt, Minchington and Bruce kick more goals than points.
Lonie, Schnieder and Paddy kick more points than goals.

Joey kicked less points for the year ( 15) than Lonie (17) but also less goals. But some of his goals were pretty tasty so i forgive him.

* based on average per game.

Apart from our experienced trio , Joey, Steven, Armo, the most kicks into 50 ( average per game ) was from...............










BILLINGS

Lonie's set shots were pretty good from memory, I reckon it was the ones on the run that he rushed and missed. Just a matter of time before he becomes the dead eye that he was as a junior IMO.

 

[hayes]

We were 8th for inside 50's. That tells me that we really were trying to score but the entries were either rubbish bombs (first Melbourne game and second Bulldogs game come to mind) or we had a shot and missed it. Freo as a comparison were ranked 14th in the same stat.

Ranked 17th for clearances. So even though we weren't getting first use we still found a way to get the ball into our 50. Again using Freo as a comparison they were first for clearances yet still struggled/refused to get the ball into their F50.

Things like that gives me a lot of faith in Richo's gameplan and the way he wants us to play because he recognises you need to be good both ways to win a flag. If we can pump it I50 despite being second to the ball all game imagine how we'll go if guys like Longer, Dunstan, Ross can improve our clearances to go with having Webster (who's moving up the ground), McKenzie, Lonie, Sinclair, Billings finding more of the ball to improve the quality of those entries? Once it's in there though we have to convert.

Pretty encouraging stuff IMO.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We were 8th for inside 50's. That tells me that we really were trying to score but the entries were either rubbish bombs (first Melbourne game and second Bulldogs game come to mind) or we had a shot and missed it. Freo as a comparison were ranked 14th in the same stat.

Ranked 17th for clearances. So even though we weren't getting first use we still found a way to get the ball into our 50. Again using Freo as a comparison they were first for clearances yet still struggled/refused to get the ball into their F50.

Things like that gives me a lot of faith in Richo's gameplan and the way he wants us to play because he recognises you need to be good both ways to win a flag. If we can pump it I50 despite being second to the ball all game imagine how we'll go if guys like Longer, Dunstan, Ross can improve our clearances to go with having Webster (who's moving up the ground), McKenzie, Lonie, Sinclair, Billings finding more of the ball to improve the quality of those entries? Once it's in there though we have to convert.

Pretty encouraging stuff IMO.

We were pretty good at the forward pressure thing, that meant balls coming out of the 50 often turned around and went back in again.