Ratings

[theGav56]

Where's Kiwi ?.

He would fall into the C category, and as he started his footy career late, I think he has some upside to come.

He's in the C's!!!

 

[ImperialPurple]

Where's Kiwi ?.

He would fall into the C category, and as he started his footy career late, I think he has some upside to come.

Good pick up masai. I had him in C+ to start with, then moved him to "Too Young", then meant to move him back to C+, but must have cut but not pasted...

Have edited both the original and revised lists.

 

[theGav56]

48% of the contests he contests. He would only contest ~ 80% of the game total ATM.

About 25-30% of ruck contests end up neutralised with no one credited with 'winning" the hitout.

So out of 70-75 contests that are decided, he's winning 48! I think the problems may not be with him, they may be at ground level.

 

[Belnakor]

48% of the contests he contests. He would only contest ~ 80% of the game total ATM.

About 25-30% of ruck contests end up neutralised with no one credited with 'winning" the hitout.

Yup, Freo has the lowest amount of "opponent hitouts" in the comp by miles

 

[Ripper]

So out of 70-75 contests that are decided, he's winning 48! I think the problems may not be with him, they may be at ground level.

Yep He is down to 48% . I think you will find that there has been a lot more put in to neutralise him and the 25-30% may be a lot higher when 211 is involved.

 

[Belnakor]

So out of 70-75 contests that are decided, he's winning 48! I think the problems may not be with him, they may be at ground level.

In terms of clearances yes, we are middle of the road for clearances yet have the best tap ruckman. so obviously our players on the ground don't know what they are doing. Sandi himself leads our clearances which is just ridicilous (hase close behind). The major problem is guys like Matt Carr who are in their as "big bodies" yet barely average a clearance a game. Walker doesn't even manage that.

 

[Kenny_01]

Good job IP, atleast you are having a crack.

My rating system:

A: Top bracket of AFL footballers
B: Level below... consistant & reliable
C: Good AFL footballers, possibly with flaws in game
D: Solid players/ developing but talented
E: Fringe players/ close to retiring/ injury plagued
F: Not close to AFL standard


A: Pav, Sandi, Hase, Farmer

B: Johnson, Tarrant, J Carr, Bell, McPharlin, Longmuir, Hayden, Black

C: Dodd, Headland, Crowley, Solomon, Grover, Peake, Mundy, Thornton

D: Webster, Campbell, Murphy, Schammer, McManus, M Carr, Duffield

E: Cook, Haddrill, Walker, Parker, Gilmore, Browne, Rumble

F: -

Too young / havn't seen enough
Drum, O'Brien, Collard, Mourish, Ibbotson, Warnock, Smith, Foster, Copping, Dunn

 

[ImperialPurple]

A: Top bracket of AFL footballers
B: Level below... consistant & reliable
C: Good AFL footballers, possibly with flaws in game
D: Solid players/ developing but talented
E: Fringe players/ close to retiring/ injury plagued
F: Not close to AFL standard


A: Pav, Sandi, Hase, Farmer

B: Johnson, Tarrant, J Carr, Bell, McPharlin, Longmuir, Hayden

C: Black, Dodd, Headland, Crowley, Solomon, Grover, Peake, Mundy, Thornton

D: Webster, Campbell, Murphy, Schammer, McManus, M Carr, Duffield

E: Cook, Haddrill, Walker, Parker, Gilmore, Browne, Rumble

F: -

Too young / havn't seen enough
Drum, O'Brien, Collard, Mourish, Ibbotson, Warnock, Smith, Foster, Copping
Dunn

I like yours Kenny. Separate category C into two as there were too many in my category C and a gap in ability between the better ones and the not-as-goods. The only change I would make to yours would be Schammer and Black both up a category. I'm still not sold on Sandi as an "A" class player, but he's on his way.

 

[theGav56]

In terms of clearances yes, we are middle of the road for clearances yet have the best tap ruckman. so obviously our players on the ground don't know what they are doing. Sandi himself leads our clearances which is just ridicilous (hase close behind). The major problem is guys like Matt Carr who are in their as "big bodies" yet barely average a clearance a game. Walker doesn't even manage that.

That sounds to me like Sandilands is more than doing his job. I'm not sure that having a crack at M Carr and Walker for doing things that they are not asked to do is quality thinking either. Both are in the team as run with players, not clearance players, and even if they had some clearances it would make a marginal difference to our games, and possibly a negative one.

Hasleby, J Carr and Bell are quality in and under midfielders, and we need better service from them. If Hasleby is out, we are suspect.

 

[Belnakor]

That sounds to me like Sandilands is more than doing his job. I'm not sure that having a crack at M Carr and Walker for doing things that they are not asked to do is quality thinking either. Both are in the team as run with players, not clearance players, and even if they had some clearances it would make a marginal difference to our games, and possibly a negative one.

Hasleby, J Carr and Bell are quality in and under midfielders, and we need better service from them. If Hasleby is out, we are suspect.

Sandilands is pulling his weight around the ballups, around the ground he is not.

P.Bell isn't an in and under midfielder. He barely averages a clearance a game. Our clearances are essentially, sandilands, haselby, <the rest> . Without those two in the team our chances of winning a game are very low.

Saying players like Walker and Carr getting clearances could be a negative is absurd. You don't even need to be "in and under" to get a clearance.

 

[Kenny_01]

Sandilands is pulling his weight around the ballups, around the ground he is not.

P.Bell isn't an in and under midfielder. He barely averages a clearance a game. Our clearances are essentially, sandilands, haselby, <the rest> . Without those two in the team our chances of winning a game are very low.

Saying players like Walker and Carr getting clearances could be a negative is absurd. You don't even need to be "in and under" to get a clearance.

I agree with you on points 2 and 3.

 

[theGav56]

Saying players like Walker and Carr getting clearances could be a negative is absurd. You don't even need to be "in and under" to get a clearance.

If it means they aren't doing their jobs as run with players it's not.

 

[Belnakor]

If it means they aren't doing their jobs as run with players it's not.

Your going back to your des headland arguments. Just because a player has a role within the team, doesn't mean that is there exclusive role in the team, and they should do nothing else. Its even debatable if Walker is a run with player. Players need to chip in everywhere.

 

[theGav56]

exactly, do you think Cuddles pulls headland/walker/carr aside before the game and says: "Look boys you are all outside men, I will be very cross if I see any of you getting a clearance".

Hell no. But I bet they run drills that involve M Carr making sure that an opposition player is kept as far from the play as possible, so if M carr is getting a clearance he is failing in his job. I bet they also run drills where the in and under players get the ball out to players who have the role of delivering it further upfield. Ergo if their stats say they are getting clearances when they should be going something else, or if instead of getting clearances they are leading our inside 50's, the game plan is falling apart and we are going to lose that game.

 

[Redgum]

We are looking at the influential players at freo, they may be players of other teams better but for freo , I feel strongly about Bell,McPharlin and Black. Black's forward 50 thrusts are very important to Freo ,McPharlin was close to all australian and his speed and marking hold our backline together, Bell is just an inspirational player, look what he did for the Kanga's. Bell would be "A" for me and McPharlin just about there too. Black is easily a "B", It was he who propelled us in those wins last year and is starting to hit his straps this year after injury and as a result Freo are benefiting

 

[Captain Pump]

If it means they aren't doing their jobs as run with players it's not.

Exactly. Instead of bemoaning MCarr for a lack of clearances how about looking at how many clearances his direct opponent gets. Guarantee that is what Chris Connolly and co are looking at when judging his work in the middle.

Personally, with The GST back and the potential for Doddy to move into the middle I think MCarr could be dropped. But it won't be for a lack of clearances.

 

[dockers_bengals]

Eliminated the +/- categories, and made a few moves based on others' opinions. Feel free to copy and change as you see fit.


A: Pav, Hase, Sandi, Farmer

B: Bell, JCarr, Mundy, Tarrant, McPharlin, Black, Johnson, Hayden, Longmuir, Grover

C: Peake, Headland, Schammer, Solomon, Crowley, Thornton, Dodd, Macca, Webster, MCarr, Cook, Murphy, Duffield, Campbell

D: Walker, Parker, Gilmore, Browne, Rumble

Too young / too injured
Drum, O'Brien, Collard, Mourish, Ibbotson, Warnock, Smith, Foster, Copping
Dunn, Haddrill

Nice work I.P.
Agree with it all except browne too injured maybe
Oh and my buddy schammer will be at least B eventually

 

[Belnakor]

I bet they also run drills where the in and under players get the ball out to players who have the role of delivering it further upfield..

A player kicking the ball out of the pack after a handball reciever is actually a clearance champ. You don't need to be the Hase in the middle of the pack to get a clearance, though it does help. M.Carr shouldn't be working on a purely defensive midset, and it is ridicilous to suggest that he is purely there to block players. He is there to shutdown an opposition player, but he is also there to have an impact as well.

 

[Belnakor]

lack is easily a "B", It was he who propelled us in those wins last year and is starting to hit his straps this year after injury and as a result Freo are benefiting

Blacky is a big big part of this team, i think even our own fans can sometimes underrate his impact. He averages the most kicks for the team, the most long kicks, and rebound 50s. Our defense certainly looks better with him there.