Reality Cheak.

Bentleigh · Oct 4, 2006

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Re: Richmond Commence next phase in Operation Ninth

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Originally Posted by Polo_14
I am extremley dissapointed for the following reasons

1. Our drafting has been so focused on pace and agility we have neglegted KPP defenders. As it stands we go into next year with Gaspar (Finished), Ray Hall (Hack), Thursfield (Coming of Knee Reco) and Bowden (Flanker) as our KPP Defenders. Im afraid that we will get torn to shreds by Hall,Gehrig and co if this is what our stocks are

2. Instead of drafting the KPP defender we need or a hard bodied polished midfielder like Shannon Hurn, we took JON. No disrespect to JON he may be a good player but we took a skinny outside flanker, when we could have got a KPP like Marcus Drum.

3. Player management under Frawley was appaling. Case in point Rodan, when he came to the club he had the strenght but not the speed. So what happens he gets stronger (Via weights room) and no quicker hence the reason hes washed up.

4. Those players you mentioned to come back, are all coming off shocking injuries. Thursfield, if has lost any pace will struggle, Newman see N.Brown this year, N.Brown is now 29, it's uphill for him.

Coughlan's injuries (OP and Knee) have ruined his pace and kicking, he is not the player of 03/04.

5. Why are we after Polak. Not up to it does not deserve the billing he gets he is living of the fact he was a no 4 pick. We should focus energies on Bradshaw, Thornton, McGregor or taking the best KPP Defender available at pick 8 in November

6. This year we won 11 games, which is misleading beacuse 6 wins came against the 3 worst sides in the competition.

7. We were not prepeard to clean out Tivendale, Ray Hall ect.. and now because of the list being so inbalanced in relation to youth vs experience and Height in defence, the list does not allow us to trade these players

8. All the young players you mentioned show promise, but they have improving to do

Deledio - Needs to learn how to break a tag and also get fitter to play in the centre. Am confident he will be a super player

Tambling - Needs to work on his defensive game and second efforts and fitness

Meyer - Lacks Bulk

Pattison - **** skills and turning circle of truck, hope he proves me wrong

Howat - Reserve judgement

Polo - Gun, very very mature footballer for his age

Raines - Gun

As for following somone else, surely you jest. I love the club as much as anyone, but I won't kid myself about our situation like others do

Darth_Tiger · Oct 4, 2006

yawn. lets be as pessimistic as possible shall we? why dont we wait and see what the trades and draft bring before burning the club down. oh and i think you mean reality check bents not cheak lol.

JDC! · Oct 4, 2006

Darth_Tiger said:
yawn. lets be as pessimistic as possible shall we? why dont we wait and see what the trades and draft bring before burning the club down. oh and i think you mean reality check bents not cheak lol.

Beat me to it.

Yeah I think our young players are coming along fine. Pattison is still only young and has a ruckman will still need a little more time to develop. Until then Troy Simmonds is our number one ruckman and is doing a great job. Personally I would have loved it if Greg Stafford stayed on our list because I think we could make good use of him. Dean Polo is a great player and will hopefully fit into the mid-field more this year. See the above for Cameron Howat. Raines is great too and is a bit stiff not be awarded with the Rising Star award.

PLSC · Oct 5, 2006

Re: Richmond Commence next phase in Operation Ninth

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Polo_14
I am extremley dissapointed for the following reasons

1. Our drafting has been so focused on pace and agility we have neglegted KPP defenders. As it stands we go into next year with Gaspar (Finished), Ray Hall (Hack), Thursfield (Coming of Knee Reco) and Bowden (Flanker) as our KPP Defenders. Im afraid that we will get torn to shreds by Hall,Gehrig and co if this is what our stocks are

2. Instead of drafting the KPP defender we need or a hard bodied polished midfielder like Shannon Hurn, we took JON. No disrespect to JON he may be a good player but we took a skinny outside flanker, when we could have got a KPP like Marcus Drum.

3. Player management under Frawley was appaling. Case in point Rodan, when he came to the club he had the strenght but not the speed. So what happens he gets stronger (Via weights room) and no quicker hence the reason hes washed up.

4. Those players you mentioned to come back, are all coming off shocking injuries. Thursfield, if has lost any pace will struggle, Newman see N.Brown this year, N.Brown is now 29, it's uphill for him.

Coughlan's injuries (OP and Knee) have ruined his pace and kicking, he is not the player of 03/04.

5. Why are we after Polak. Not up to it does not deserve the billing he gets he is living of the fact he was a no 4 pick. We should focus energies on Bradshaw, Thornton, McGregor or taking the best KPP Defender available at pick 8 in November

6. This year we won 11 games, which is misleading beacuse 6 wins came against the 3 worst sides in the competition.

7. We were not prepeard to clean out Tivendale, Ray Hall ect.. and now because of the list being so inbalanced in relation to youth vs experience and Height in defence, the list does not allow us to trade these players

8. All the young players you mentioned show promise, but they have improving to do

Deledio - Needs to learn how to break a tag and also get fitter to play in the centre. Am confident he will be a super player

Tambling - Needs to work on his defensive game and second efforts and fitness

Meyer - Lacks Bulk

Pattison - **** skills and turning circle of truck, hope he proves me wrong

Howat - Reserve judgement

Polo - Gun, very very mature footballer for his age

Raines - Gun

As for following somone else, surely you jest. I love the club as much as anyone, but I won't kid myself about our situation like others do

*wipes tear from eye*

sad but oh so ****ing true :thumbsd:

Goldust · Oct 5, 2006

8. All the young players you mentioned show promise, but they have improving to do

Deledio - Needs to learn how to break a tag and also get fitter to play in the centre. Am confident he will be a super player

Tambling - Needs to work on his defensive game and second efforts and fitness

Meyer - Lacks Bulk

Pattison - **** skills and turning circle of truck, hope he proves me wrong

Howat - Reserve judgement

Polo - Gun, very very mature footballer for his age

Raines - Gun

DELEDIO, RAINES, POLO ad TAMBLING, agree. Confident both Deledio and Tambling will both be guns within 12 months.

MEYER - this guys is a gun. Freakish and strong overhead and will bulk up considerably over the pre-season. Heck, Tom Hawkins aside, there ain't too many goliaths out there in their first or second seasons. Heck, Chris Grant was a skinny kid for three or four seasons, yet could still play my friend!

HOWAT - Wouldn't be surprised if he is the most skilful player at Tigerland, which speaks volumes about where we were coming from when Wallace took over. Quick and courageous too. The guy will be a 100 game plus player for us and make an impact.

PATTISON - Have to admit that I had my doubts about this kid - and plenty of them earlier this year. But I think towards the end of the season I saw enough to suggest he will make it with the Tigers. Talls take time to develop and he is no exception, but he's getting there. And you find that talls who do make an immediate impact, say Jeff White and Josh Fraser, often take a step or two back in their follow up season before coming good again.
But like your description of young Patto (by the way, did anyone else notice that d***head Jon Ralph in the Sunday Herald Sun call him Kayne Pattison?) **** skills and turning circle of truck, hope he proves me wrong. Casts my mind back to an earlier time when we had a player who encapsulated that description even more. I would call for his his axeing every week early on his career and could never understand why we continually played him, yet we did. Kinda glad we did as the kid turned out alright! His name: Brendan Gale. Useless in his first few seasons under KB, but one of our more dependable players in the mid to late 90s and early this decade. Pattison reminds me much of him and for that reason, we should persist!

tigerT · Oct 5, 2006

Bentleigh said:
....Quote:
Originally Posted by Polo_14
I am extremley dissapointed for the following reasons

1. Our drafting has been so focused on pace and agility we have neglegted KPP defenders. As it stands we go into next year with Gaspar (Finished), Ray Hall (Hack), Thursfield (Coming of Knee Reco) and Bowden (Flanker) as our KPP Defenders. Im afraid that we will get torn to shreds by Hall,Gehrig and co if this is what our stocks are

2. Instead of drafting the KPP defender we need or a hard bodied polished midfielder like Shannon Hurn, we took JON. No disrespect to JON he may be a good player but we took a skinny outside flanker, when we could have got a KPP like Marcus Drum.

3. Player management under Frawley was appaling. Case in point Rodan, when he came to the club he had the strenght but not the speed. So what happens he gets stronger (Via weights room) and no quicker hence the reason hes washed up.

4. Those players you mentioned to come back, are all coming off shocking injuries. Thursfield, if has lost any pace will struggle, Newman see N.Brown this year, N.Brown is now 29, it's uphill for him.

Coughlan's injuries (OP and Knee) have ruined his pace and kicking, he is not the player of 03/04.

5. Why are we after Polak. Not up to it does not deserve the billing he gets he is living of the fact he was a no 4 pick. We should focus energies on Bradshaw, Thornton, McGregor or taking the best KPP Defender available at pick 8 in November

6. This year we won 11 games, which is misleading beacuse 6 wins came against the 3 worst sides in the competition.

7. We were not prepeard to clean out Tivendale, Ray Hall ect.. and now because of the list being so inbalanced in relation to youth vs experience and Height in defence, the list does not allow us to trade these players

8. All the young players you mentioned show promise, but they have improving to do

Deledio - Needs to learn how to break a tag and also get fitter to play in the centre. Am confident he will be a super player

Tambling - Needs to work on his defensive game and second efforts and fitness

Meyer - Lacks Bulk

Pattison - **** skills and turning circle of truck, hope he proves me wrong

Howat - Reserve judgement

Polo - Gun, very very mature footballer for his age

Raines - Gun

As for following somone else, surely you jest. I love the club as much as anyone, but I won't kid myself about our situation like others do

crap post full of CRAP...

1.and yet we still get blown away by the top midfields after a massive influx of new running power, I think that tells us where our midfield and running game was at pre TW, WORST IN THE AFL.

2. Make up ur minds tiger supporters, "we dont have enough hard bodied inside midfielders", at other times I see the comments "we have too many hard bodied inside midfielders, - Tuck, Coghlan, Johnson, Foley, Polo"...

3. F.uck Spud and what happened then, we are talking about the new regime, he cant work miracles, we had hit rock bloody bottom, theres only so many steps of improvement u can make per year, if u cant see the progress we've made thus far ur a pinhead.

4. Cogs doesn't need pace bullocking under the packs, Thursfield yes will have lost pace, Brown will be fine, his straight line speed was back to pre break levels this season, now the rods out its full steam ahead. In great shape.

5. Bradshaw, Thornton and McGregor will come at double the pay packet of Polak. At that price, Polaks sheer talent alone is worth the punt. Doesn't need yrs of physical development, has had 4 yrs in the system, we'll know quickly whether hes up to it or not. We cant afford to give up what the blues, Bris and Adelaide want for their players..

6. You only beat whats put in front of you. We lost to the hawks, we lost games we shouldve won against Freo, Stkilda and the bulldogs. We're a young side that broke through with some milestone wins this season.

7. I agree, these players are hacks and contrary to what most think, I dont feel we'd miss a beat were we to get rid of them now.

8. Well duh, of course they have improving to do, they are young players and its called development, I think all young players need to do it

Fact is, for the first time since 82, we have a largish group of youngsters running around that are showing more promise than I can ever remember. Im sure some will lose their way and fall off, sh.it happens but considering we needed a total list rebuild I am pretty happy with how things are progressing THUS FAR...

wart101 · Oct 5, 2006

Bentleigh said:
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i think you need to take things one step at a time, how can we get running players and defenders aswell as forwards all at once?

Darth_Tiger · Oct 5, 2006

lmao at how in the past we have generally dropped games we were expected to win and now that we have won pretty much all of them it becomes 'we only beat so and so'. how about looking at the glass being half full for a change? we are on the up.

Richo83 · Oct 5, 2006

Wow, just wow. That was good stuff. All true (a bit harsh on some pf the younger kids) but that was Weaver esque analysis. Actually, when I read that I don't get disheartenned because it means that there is some genuine discussion on what we need to do and what Richmond needs to become. Remember, West Coast won a GF with Glass as FB, Graham taking the third tall and a part-time CHB, so its not too bad. Don't discount Thursfield. He's still young and there is a long way to go with is development.

JON, not convinced. Not ot say that JON wont be good, but I'm not feeling as good about JON than say Hughes or Polo.

Interesting that he says that we don't have any good defenders, I agree but this draft will do somethign to adress this problem. Remember, like Hawthorn, results wont come overnight, but in 3-5 years something will happen. It took five years for WC to go from 14th to 1st, and 2006 was year 2 on our plan and we came from last and are a Victorian club, so another 4 years and we will be there.

Polo_14 · Oct 5, 2006

tigerT said:
crap post full of CRAP...

1.and yet we still get blown away by the top midfields after a massive influx of new running power, I think that tells us where our midfield and running game was at pre TW, WORST IN THE AFL.

2. Make up ur minds tiger supporters, "we dont have enough hard bodied inside midfielders", at other times I see the comments "we have too many hard bodied inside midfielders, - Tuck, Coghlan, Johnson, Foley, Polo"...

3. F.uck Spud and what happened then, we are talking about the new regime, he cant work miracles, we had hit rock bloody bottom, theres only so many steps of improvement u can make per year, if u cant see the progress we've made thus far ur a pinhead.

4. Cogs doesn't need pace bullocking under the packs, Thursfield yes will have lost pace, Brown will be fine, his straight line speed was back to pre break levels this season, now the rods out its full steam ahead. In great shape.

5. Bradshaw, Thornton and McGregor will come at double the pay packet of Polak. At that price, Polaks sheer talent alone is worth the punt. Doesn't need yrs of physical development, has had 4 yrs in the system, we'll know quickly whether hes up to it or not. We cant afford to give up what the blues, Bris and Adelaide want for their players..

6. You only beat whats put in front of you. We lost to the hawks, we lost games we shouldve won against Freo, Stkilda and the bulldogs. We're a young side that broke through with some milestone wins this season.

7. I agree, these players are hacks and contrary to what most think, I dont feel we'd miss a beat were we to get rid of them now.

8. Well duh, of course they have improving to do, they are young players and its called development, I think all young players need to do it Fact is, for the first time since 82, we have a largish group of youngsters running around that are showing more promise than I can ever remember. Im sure some will lose their way and fall off, sh.it happens but considering we needed a total list rebuild I am pretty happy with how things are progressing THUS FAR...

But when you refuse to clean out those that have underachived for the best part of 5 years, the improvement stagnates.

I am praying that Schulz, Hughes and co turn out to be superstars, just like everyone else.

Polo_14 · Oct 5, 2006

Richo83 said:
Wow, just wow. That was good stuff. All true (a bit harsh on some pf the younger kids) but that was Weaver esque analysis. Actually, when I read that I don't get disheartenned because it means that there is some genuine discussion on what we need to do and what Richmond needs to become. Remember, West Coast won a GF with Glass as FB, Graham taking the third tall and a part-time CHB, so its not too bad. Don't discount Thursfield. He's still young and there is a long way to go with is development.

JON, not convinced. Not ot say that JON wont be good, but I'm not feeling as good about JON than say Hughes or Polo.

Interesting that he says that we don't have any good defenders, I agree but this draft will do somethign to adress this problem. Remember, like Hawthorn, results wont come overnight, but in 3-5 years something will happen. It took five years for WC to go from 14th to 1st, and 2006 was year 2 on our plan and we came from last and are a Victorian club, so another 4 years and we will be there.

Spot on

But the thing is, that there recruting was unbelievably clever, with the amount of talent they spotted that no one else bothered about

Me thinks they are hiding players in the WAFL, keeping them out of the eye of other recruiters.

Players like Nickoski, Brett Jones and Jayme Graham are players us Victorians most likely would'nt even aknowledge, yet all 3 would easily be in Richmond's best 22

Bentleigh · Oct 5, 2006

Goldust said:
DELEDIO, RAINES, POLO ad TAMBLING, agree. Confident both Deledio and Tambling will both be guns within 12 months

I agree: Deledio, Tambling, Polo & Raines are four good kids.

Without doubt our outstanding 4 young players.

MEYER - this guys is a gun. Freakish and strong overhead and will bulk up considerably over the pre-season. Heck, Tom Hawkins aside, there ain't too many goliaths out there in their first or second seasons. Heck, Chris Grant was a skinny kid for three or four seasons, yet could still play my friend!

I've Always like Danny Meyer. Alot more potential and material to work with than alot of our other kids. I don't think we will see his best untill 2008+ but more than worthy of another few years on the list. Anything next year is a bonus.

HOWAT - Wouldn't be surprised if he is the most skilful player at Tigerland, which speaks volumes about where we were coming from when Wallace took over. Quick and courageous too. The guy will be a 100 game plus player for us and make an impact.

I think Howat is overrated in this board.

Found abit of ball towards the end of the season (averaged 18 touches in 5 games) but the were 'junk' wins against poor sides when we were already out of the finals race.

Nice kick and can find the pill but very small (both short and no bulk) and isn't overly quick. At 21/22 isn't that young either - Rodan agin.

Don't get me wrong, he looks a decent kid but I needs to show alot more before we start talking him up this much.

PATTISON - Have to admit that I had my doubts about this kid - and plenty of them earlier this year. But I think towards the end of the season I saw enough to suggest he will make it with the Tigers. Talls take time to develop and he is no exception, but he's getting there. And you find that talls who do make an immediate impact, say Jeff White and Josh Fraser, often take a step or two back in their follow up season before coming good again.

But like your description of young Patto (by the way, did anyone else notice that d***head Jon Ralph in the Sunday Herald Sun call him Kayne Pattison?) **** skills and turning circle of truck, hope he proves me wrong. Casts my mind back to an earlier time when we had a player who encapsulated that description even more. I would call for his his axeing every week early on his career and could never understand why we continually played him, yet we did. Kinda glad we did as the kid turned out alright! His name: Brendan Gale. Useless in his first few seasons under KB, but one of our more dependable players in the mid to late 90s and early this decade. Pattison reminds me much of him and for that reason, we should persist

I agree, Patto offers alot to like and showed enough in the 2nd half of the year to make you think he's going to like it. Great work effort and is a good kid.

However, he does have some serious issues like being slow and having and not being agile/mobile.

Thus the White/Fraser examples are poor as they are midfeilder-like, fast and mobile ruckman, unlike our Patto.

Of course we should persist.

Bentleigh · Oct 5, 2006

Richo83 said:
Wow, just wow. That was good stuff. All true (a bit harsh on some pf the younger kids) but that was Weaver esque analysis. Actually, when I read that I don't get disheartenned because it means that there is some genuine discussion on what we need to do and what Richmond needs to become. Remember, West Coast won a GF with Glass as FB, Graham taking the third tall and a part-time CHB, so its not too bad. Don't discount Thursfield. He's still young and there is a long way to go with is development.

WCE have the best midfeild in the history of football.

Our midfeild is rubbish and gets smashed by semi-decent sides.

Interesting that he says that we don't have any good defenders, I agree but this draft will do somethign to adress this problem. Remember, like Hawthorn, results wont come overnight, but in 3-5 years something will happen.

Hawthorn has tanked hardcore and now has a great list of kids - 2 years of prioety picks and pick 6 in the best draft ever along with traded away average mid/old player for draft picks.

Richmond has done the oppisite. We have tried to rebuild without tanking drafting the like of P Bowden, Graham, Humm etc. and lack these quailty and quanty of outstanding kids.

It took five years for WC to go from 14th to 1st, and 2006 was year 2 on our plan and we came from last and are a Victorian club, so another 4 years and we will be there.

WCE were 14th in 2001, yes, but they came from a history of making the finals for many years before that - a very solid platform to launch from.

Richmond was rubbish when Wallace came to the club.

Thats the difference.

duckboy · Oct 5, 2006

I just thought of a reality check myself. We've all been going on about our poor backline and how we need KPP backmen, but you know what?

We have the All Australian CHB! :thumbsu:

GO Tiges...

Bentleigh · Oct 5, 2006

duckboy said:
I just thought of a reality check myself. We've all been going on about our poor backline and how we need KPP backmen, but you know what?

We have the All Australian CHB!

GO Tiges...

Our Duel AA KPP backman is a very good player but he is undersized (188cms, too small as a CHB to play on monster forwards) and more suited to playing loose or off a HBF. His fellow tall backs are either crap (Gaspar, Hall), hurt (Thusty) or young (McGaune).

Go Tigers.

duckboy · Oct 5, 2006

Come on Bents, I'm trying to pump things up so we can all go to bed with a smile on our faces.

PLSC · Oct 5, 2006

Bentleigh for PM :thumbsu:

Bentleigh · Oct 5, 2006

duckboy said:
Come on Bents, I'm trying to pump things up so we can all go to bed with a smile on our faces.

If hurts less when you pay $400-500 for your membership, turn up to the 'G on a nice saturday to watch the team lose by 100 points (again) if you are realstic about the list instead of putting the rose coloured glasses on during the pre-season.

tigerdan · Oct 6, 2006

Bentleigh said:
WCE have the best midfeild in the history of football.

Come off it Bentleigh!

Richo83 · Oct 6, 2006

Bentleigh said:
WCE have the best midfeild in the history of football.

No, they don't.

Bentleigh said:
Our midfeild is rubbish and gets smashed by semi-decent sides.

Thaty's why we are trying to develop our list so that wont happen.

Bentleigh said:
Hawthorn has tanked hardcore and now has a great list of kids - 2 years of prioety picks and pick 6 in the best draft ever along with traded away average mid/old player for draft picks.

Eh, their choice.

Bentleigh said:
Richmond has done the oppisite. We have tried to rebuild without tanking drafting the like of P Bowden, Graham, Humm etc. and lack these quailty and quanty of outstanding kids.

True, but remember Hawthorn's backline isn't perfect as well.

Bentleigh said:
WCE were 14th in 2001, yes, but they came from a history of making the finals for many years before that - a very solid platform to launch from.

Richmond was rubbish when Wallace came to the club.

Thats the difference.

Our culture of losing will change with TW when ouir list matures. And as for WC, even if they made the finals before, it took some hard searching and some awesome recruiting (Judd) to pull them up, and it worked. Look at St. Kilda, I still think thta if they had all their players fit like Sydney and WC, they would win the flag, and look where they came from?

Bentleigh · Oct 6, 2006

tigerdan said:
Come off it Bentleigh!

It'd go very close.

hougie · Oct 6, 2006

Bentleigh said:
I think Howat is overrated in this board.

I'll concede that Howat is a little older than most first year players but he has come along in leaps and bounds this year and hasn't set a foot wrong. When I watched him in the latter stages of the year, I knew when he had the ball, odds are the next bloke to touch it will be a tiger. That's a rare feeling for a tiger fan!

Pattison is a very interesting one, his first year in the VFL was outstanding, dominating play with marks, kicks and goals galore in the games I saw. So, obviously he has the talent to take a game by the scruff of the neck and IMO there is no alternative to persisting with him. His insecurity when it comes to kicking in the AFL concerns me though for a 'future CHF prospect'.

Darth_Tiger · Oct 6, 2006

howats skills are sublime. of course there is no guarantee he will be a gun at this stage, but on the evidence presented you would have to admit, he looks the goods.

kolchak · Oct 7, 2006

Bentleigh said:
Hawthorn has tanked hardcore and now has a great list of kids - 2 years of prioety picks and pick 6 in the best draft ever along with traded away average mid/old player for draft picks.

Tanking? 2003 & 2004 Richmond finshed below us, 2005 & 2006 Richmond finished 2 places above us. Hardly seem Hawthorn tanked any more than Richmond.

Bentleigh · Oct 7, 2006

kolchak said:
Tanking? 2003 & 2004 Richmond finshed below us, 2005 & 2006 Richmond finished 2 places above us. Hardly seem Hawthorn tanked any more than Richmond.

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[B]Richmond[/B]  22 [B]11[/B] 11 0   1934 2245 86.15  44 6-5-0 54.5% 5-6-0 45.5% 9-7-0 56.2% 2-4-0 33.3% Lost 1 
 Geelong  22 10 11 1   1982 2002 99.00  42 6-4-1 59.1% 4-7-0 36.4% 8-8-1 50.0% 2-3-0 40.0% Lost 1 
 [B]Hawthorn[/B]  22 [B]9[/B] 13 0   1834 2140 85.70  36 6-5-0 54.5% 3-8-0 27.3% 6-8-0 42.9% 3-5-0 37.5% Won 4 
 Port Adelaide  22 8 14 0   1911 2151 88.84  32 4-7-0 36.4% 4-7-0 36.4% 4-8-0 33.3% 4-6-0 40.0% Lost 1 
 Brisbane  22 7 15 0   1844 2239 82.36  28 4-7-0 36.4% 3-8-0 27.3% 4-8-0 33.3% 3-7-0 30.0% Lost 6 
 Kangaroos  22 7 15 0   1754 2167 80.94  28 5-6-0 45.5% 2-9-0 18.2% 5-9-0 35.7% 2-6-0 25.0% Lost 4 
 Essendon  22 3 18 1   2021 2469 81.86  14 3-7-1 31.8% 0-11-0 0% 3-14-1 19.4% 0-4-0 0% Lost 3 
 Carlton  22 3 18 1   1791 2415 74.16  14 2-9-0 18.2% 1-9-1 13.6% 3-13-1 20.6% 0-5-0 0% Lost 4

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Western Bulldogs  22 11 11 0   2385 2351 101.45  44 7-4-0 63.6% 4-7-0 36.4% 9-6-0 60.0% 2-5-0 28.6% Won 1 
 Fremantle  22 11 11 0   2041 2038 100.15  44 7-4-0 63.6% 4-7-0 36.4% 7-5-0 58.3% 4-6-0 40.0% Lost 1 
 Brisbane  22 10 12 0   2139 2164 98.84  40 5-6-0 45.5% 5-6-0 45.5% 6-6-0 50.0% 4-6-0 40.0% Lost 3 
[B] Richmond[/B]  22 [B]10[/B] 12 0   2022 2190 92.33  40 6-5-0 54.5% 4-7-0 36.4% 9-10-0 47.4% 1-2-0 33.3% Lost 1 
 Essendon  22 8 14 0   2118 2302 92.01  32 7-4-0 63.6% 1-10-0 9.1% 8-9-0 47.1% 0-5-0 0% Lost 1 
[B] Hawthorn[/B]  22 [B]5[/B] 17 0   1904 2317 82.18  20 4-7-0 36.4% 1-10-0 9.1% 4-11-0 26.7% 1-6-0 14.3% Lost 2 
 Collingwood  22 5 17 0   1884 2425 77.69  20 3-8-0 27.3% 2-9-0 18.2% 5-13-0 27.8% 0-4-0 0% Lost 8 
 Carlton  22 4 17 1   2016 2670 75.51  18 3-8-0 27.3% 1-9-1 13.6% 4-13-0 23.5% 0-4-1 10.0% Lost 2

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Brownlow Medallist

Brownlow Medallist

Club Legend

Brownlow Medallist

Club Legend

Club Legend

Brownlow Medallist

Norm Smith Medallist

Brownlow Medallist

Brownlow Medallist

Club Legend

Norm Smith Medallist

Club Legend

Brownlow Medallist