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CoggaRules said:
project players to me are players you pick up when you dont have a ****ing clue as to who to take when you are picking from the dregs.
You dont want to suggest that they are what they are, dregs, so in the name of proffessionalism you call them project players. Sounds more corporately efficient. ;)
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LMAO now thats hilariously funny.

Oh NOOOES we cant go wasting our valuable pick 6 in the PSD on a 30 year old Brownlow medalists, premier onballer who has a drug problem. :eek:

I'd rather waste it on a kid who can carry the famous RFC "potential" line around with him until we delist him.
 
Punt_Road_Roar said:
LMAO now thats hilariously funny.

Oh NOOOES we cant go wasting our valuable pick 6 in the PSD on a 30 year old Brownlow medalists, premier onballer who has a drug problem. :eek:

I'd rather waste it on a kid who can carry the famous RFC "potential" line around with him until we delist him.
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are you agreeing with me????????:p:p:p:p
 
NQTIGER said:
the list is getting to a stage where Age wise it will be very balanced the current ages have a natural progression and as we all agree johnson will be abit player so our stocks of experienced players is limited to Richo, Bowden (who everyone hates), brown and symmonds.....do we need another 30 year old????


the answer is yes
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Our 18 and 19 year olds aren't balanced. They will be starting to have an impact when the 5 older players retire. We can't forget the importance of youth.
 
beaver fever said:
Our 18 and 19 year olds aren't balanced. They will be starting to have an impact when the 5 older players retire. We can't forget the importance of youth.
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so what youre saying is the 18 and 19 year olds will take over from the older guys when they retire?, what about the 23-24 year old are they just going to beat time?


you can and should only bring in two to three kids aseason otherwise the list becomes too young and inexperienced. as we have been the last couple of years
 

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NQTIGER said:
so what youre saying is the 18 and 19 year olds will take over from the older guys when they retire?, what about the 23-24 year old are they just going to beat time?


you can and should only bring in two to three kids aseason otherwise the list becomes too young and inexperienced. as we have been the last couple of years
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No I am not saying that. The 18-19 year olds will replace the 20-22 year olds that were fighting for spots in the 22.

I totally disagree with you regarding your last paragraph. You need as much youth as you can get, so you can sort through the duds and keep the good players. You don't have them turn 25 years old and still be on the fringes of the 22. Personally I think you should take 5 kids minimum a year. Before you go on about that being too many, have a look at how many kids Hawthorn and Geelong took. 5 ND picks and 4 ND picks (plus 1 NSW selection, so effectively 5) respectively.
 
beaver fever said:
No I am not saying that. The 18-19 year olds will replace the 20-22 year olds that were fighting for spots in the 22.

I totally disagree with you regarding your last paragraph. You need as much youth as you can get, so you can sort through the duds and keep the good players. You don't have them turn 25 years old and still be on the fringes of the 22. Personally I think you should take 5 kids minimum a year.
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I guess we agree to disagree...........nothing personal
 
CoggaRules said:
yeah, but you forget one important element we have now that thinks a little differently and for sure and certain has March listening intently. That element would have suggested lets see if we can squeeze a freebie out, because you never know your luck in the big city. It didnt work, so now we go with pick 6 for Cousins. I am confident that they will. You see we are only talking about pick 6 in the PSD and to suggest there is all this furore re. youngsters etc who didnt cut it for the ND and we will be in the shit hole if we didnt take one at pick ****ing 6 in the PSD, is like pissing in the wind. Who gives a flying **** if we dont take a youongster at pick 6 in the PSD? when we have another 5 rookie picks to add to our arsenal? If Gourdis was any ****ing good, he would not be in the position he was in now, he would have been on the ****ing list....the end. ;)
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Absolutely spot on!! If he was any good he would still be on the list and someone else delisted. Only the RFC would draft the same bloke in the same draft 2 years straight. If we don't take a gamble on Cousins or take Klemke we are a massive joke. Gourdis to the rookie draft ffs.
 
BOPPER said:
Absolutely spot on!! If he was any good he would still be on the list and someone else delisted. Only the RFC would draft the same bloke in the same draft 2 years straight. If we don't take a gamble on Cousins or take Klemke we are a massive joke. Gourdis to the rookie draft ffs.
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We did it with Hyde as well hehe. Actually Hawthorn did it with Thurgood as well.
 
beaver fever said:
We did it with Hyde as well hehe. Actually Hawthorn did it with Thurgood as well.
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Hyde had played AFL footy ......and was capable of playing AFL footy gourdis never has and maybe never will.

Hyde was delisted in the end because our depth improved so he was no longer a senior player.

Whe was gourdis ever mentioned as a senior player????
 
NQTIGER said:
Hyde had played AFL footy ......and was capable of playing AFL footy gourdis never has and maybe never will.

Hyde was delisted in the end because our depth improved so he was no longer a senior player.

Whe was gourdis ever mentioned as a senior player????
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I think beaver fever was referring to a few years ago when we delisted him and then re-drafted him, not the delisting of this year.
 

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NQTIGER said:
Cotchin 18
Vickery 18
Putt 19
Post 19
Rance 19
Collins 20
edwards 20
connors 20
JON 20
Reiwoldt 20
Hislop 20
Deledio 21
Hughes 21
Mcguane 21
Morton 21
Graham 21
White 21

not enough youngsters?

beaver?


ball is in your court how many of these guys will be 150-200 gamers?
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With that age profile we look a bit overloaded on 20 and 21 year olds (no doubt to make up for the lack of 25-29 year olds on our list) and a little under-represented by 18 and 19 year olds. A balanced list should have roughly 3-4 players at each age from 18 to 30, with slightly more at the lower ages. The rookie draft should correct the current imbalance a bit, but that's getting into very speculative territory once your beyond the 1st and 2nd rounds.

Personally I'm not too fussed one way or the other whether we take Cousins or a youngster. Leaning probably more towards Cousins, because he's a fair bit better than the Kent Kingsleys and Trent Knobel that we've wasted psd picks on in the past. But if we do we really need to make sure we are involved in the first 3 rounds of the 2009 draft.
 
I think you will take him. A PSD youngster is a very big gamble vs a proven champion. Cousins will have at least 3 years of top class footy in him and as we saw this year, a lot can happen during that time. Cousins is a gun. He won't reoffend. If he does then out he goes.

Richmond will be admired for giving him another shot whatever he does.

If the Tigers don't get him I would love to see him in the Brown and Gold. Everyone deserves another chance, considering what Cousins has had to go through and the amount of testing he will undergo during the seasons ahead.

Unless the youngster you have in mind for pick 6 has great potential then I think you guys will let a big opportunity slip by. It's not like you're giving up picks for the national draft....
 
thecotch said:
Spot on CR. All these meat heads crying about the decision today would be the same ones who would belt the club if cousins came over and relapsed and left us in disgrace.

I trust the club more than I trust cousins. We finally have some smart operators in there making informed, calculated decisions.

Throwing memberships out because eddie is reaming demetriou on every decision is not the right thing to do.
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agree.....those throwing out memberships out are tools. they could have thrown out their membership a couple of weeks ago, before this whole polak/cousins saga, when we already had pick 6 and were reportedly not taking cousins. why only do it now??
 
For what it's worth, I agree with Cogga (which I don't always do) and many others. Relax and have faith in the club.
 

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LMAO ...

Has there ever been a bigger Bru Haha over lowly pick #6 in the PSD . ?

The club has made one big mistake in this and that was promising Gourdis already that we would draft him .... I`m tipping that is why he is training with us and not over in Perth having a gallop with Freo right now as they said they pick him with the thier first pick in the rookie draft ...

The board needs to decide whats best with the RFC right now ... simple ... unfortunately Gourdis may be a victim in all this , but it is a tough game and hearts will always be broken .

Cogga is on the mark .

I say without doubt we should take Cousins and if we lose Gourdis to Freo in the rookie draft then so be it ... the kid will still have an AFL career ... its not all over ... and we still have the benefit of looking at the rookie draft in the light that whoever we take will be going straight onto the senior list ...

For mine this has all been sensationalised ....Gourdis could not even get out of the Coburg seconds last year FFS.

If the club made the decision ... albeit late ... to take Cousins then that should over-ride the decision to take Gourdis ... If we don`t take Cousins then that proves we were purely trying to rort the system.
 
No, it wasn't the AFL's decision, the moment the likes of Eddie opened his mouth and the media circus began it became Richmond vs AFL and all about Cousins, somehow in this Polak has been totally lost. By placing him on the LTIL he can't be tested in a match situation whilst he is gone and there is far less chance for a successful comeback in my opinion. That being said, i agree with Coggs, at this point it's all moot, what we have to do now is stand behind our club and whatever decision it makes. If we've put up with the Kingsley's and the Knoble's then I think we can do with keeping our memberships even when RFC announces the drafts tomorow. At least the board will finally be united in something, god knows that's a change.

Still.... say your prayers tonight and maybe we'll get a nice Yellow and Black Ben Cousins for christmas;)
 
IDGAF said:
No ... the AFL said that the Polak situation did not fit the criteria for mature rookie status .

We asked a question and got an answer .
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Yeah that's the sugar coated version but basically a no means they sussed you out and agreed with everyone else that said you were just using Polak's situation as emotional leverage to get an extra pick to use on Cousins
 
I am in shock.

WE ARE ABOUT TO PASS ON BEN COUSINS TO "MAKE SURE" WE GET DAVID GOURDIS.

Think about that for a second. What happens if Freo don't take Gourdis with the PSD? How will we look then? We are giving up Ben Cousins for a guy we just delisted. Unbelievable.
 

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