Round 1 team

[Williams02]

Who would u play round 1 against sydney..... my team would look a bit like this.

Backs:Welsh Fletch Mcveigh
Mcphee Brad NLM

Mid: Stanton JJ Heff

Hird Lucas MJ*
For: Lovett LLoyd Johns

Rucks:Hille Campo Monfries*

Bench: Watson Pever Ryder Solo

Emg:Winder Dyson Slattery

 

[DaSawx]

B: Welsh Fletcher Lovett-Murray
HB: Solomon McPhee Bradley
C: Heffernan Camporeale McVeigh
HF: Lovett Lucas Hird
F: Johns Lloyd M.Johnson
Ru: Hille J.Johnson Stanton

Int: Watson, Monfries, Ryder, Slattery

Emer: Dempsey, Dyson, Peverill

 

[theone5]

Personally, i dont think Ryder will play much this year. Too young and too skinny. We have Laycock for our back-up ruckmen switching with Hille in the forward line.

B: Welsh Fletcher Bolton
HB: McPhee Bradley Lovett-Murray
C: McVeigh J.Johnson Camporeale
HF: Hird Lucas Lovett
FF: M.Johnson Lloyd Dyson
RUCKS: Hille Peverill Stanton

INTERCHANGE: Laycock Solomon Heffernan Monfries

EMERGENCIES: Ryder Watson Slattery

That team looks VERY COMPETITIVE to me. A few positions which were hard to pick, but overall, thats a TOP 8 list.
Weak rovers maybe?
Changes?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Laycock wont play round 1, still coming back from surgery. IMO Ryder'll play ahead of Carts.

 

[whirl]

I think Ryder is a very likely Rnd 1 starter, given Laycock's not going to be match fit. Carts is behind Ryder in the pecking order it seems.

Slattery looks like a monty for a back pocket too.

Lovett may not be a walk up start, he's started very very slowly - and he shouldn't get a gig just because he played well last year. Obviously dealing with a sad loss though.

Dyson probably won't play Rnd 1 imho, hasn't fired a shot really this pre-season. Started slowly last year as well, though that was likely due to injury.

 

[gknowles]

Is it not "Williams 02" who said james hird was crap?

 

[marcuz]

I think Ryder is a very likely Rnd 1 starter, given Laycock's not going to be match fit. Carts is behind Ryder in the pecking order it seems.

I'd be loathe to play the kid yet. He'd get snapped in half by the bigger bodied ruckmen and he hasn't yet shown the ability to find the footy. Cartledge hasn't starred but he's ready physically to give hille a chop out in the seniors and he's much better than Ryder around the ground.

Dyson probably won't play Rnd 1 imho, hasn't fired a shot really this pre-season. Started slowly last year as well, though that was likely due to injury.

He hasnt had much of a run at it in terms of game time although he didnt do much in the limited time he did have. played ok from all reports in the VFL. A solid month of full games in the VFL wont do him any harm at all. Should be a senior regular by round 22.

 

[macca69]

B. Welsh Fletcher Solomon
HB. McPhee Bradley Lovett-Murray
C. Camporeale J. Johnson McVeigh
HF. Hird Lucas M. Johnson
FF. Lovett Lloyd Watson
Rucks Hille Stanton Peverill

Int - Dyson, Ryder, Monfries, Slattery

 

[Tricky_Ricky2]

B. Welsh Fletcher Solomon
HB. McPhee Bradley NLM
C. Heffernan J.Johnson Camporeale
HF. Hird Lucas Lovett
F. Watson Lloyd Dyson
R. Hille M.Johnson Stanton

Inter. Peverill, Bolton (only for Goodes), Monfries, Ryder

 

[Darealrath]

Hopefully the young blokes who've put in a good pre season get rewarded with a game - Watson, Johns, Slattery, Winderlich, Monfries etc. Not easy fitting them all in though unless hard decisions are made.

What odds are Rioli and Solly to line up ?

 

[TeeBee]

I'd be loathe to play the kid yet. He'd get snapped in half by the bigger bodied ruckmen and he hasn't yet shown the ability to find the footy.

I agree. I don't think it's the time to throw Ryder to the wolves, more likely to shatter his confidence early rather than gain much for short burts on the ground. I'd just go in with one ruckman against the swans and use Keps as a pinch hitter when Hille is resting in the forward line. The swans have lost their number 1 ruck to retirement and we know Roos doesn't like to play Goodes in the ruck so much anymore so I think Keppler will be able to hold his own against whatever the swans have. I also think Keps won't have a traditional CHF to line up on with Solly and McPhee taking Sydneys mobile HFF's and Fletch taking Hall, he'll play in the hole between CHF and Hall.

In Ryders spot I would play windy. Watching the match against Richmond, I loved the way our midfield attacked in packs and broke forward in waves. I think beating Sydney in the midfield and the flanks is the key.

 

[Darealrath]

I'd just go in with one ruckman against the swans and use Keps as a pinch hitter when Hille is resting in the forward line. The swans have lost their number 1 ruck to retirement and we know Roos doesn't like to play Goodes in the ruck so much anymore so I think Keppler will be able to hold his own against whatever the swans have. I also think Keps won't have a traditional CHF to line up on with Solly and McPhee taking Sydneys mobile HFF's and Fletch taking Hall, he'll play in the hole between CHF and Hall.

Excellent points, agree 100%. Keps would also be great value when it hits the deck and could negate some of their stoppage expertise.

I've only seen Ryder in the NAB game and he looked miles off senior footy.

 

[whirl]

I'd be loathe to play the kid yet. He'd get snapped in half by the bigger bodied ruckmen and he hasn't yet shown the ability to find the footy. Cartledge hasn't starred but he's ready physically to give hille a chop out in the seniors and he's much better than Ryder around the ground.

True Ryder can look a little lost, but he's a better tap ruckman than Carts at this point imho. And while he doesn't see much of it around the ground, when he does it's quality. All that is said from limited exposure naturally. Carts.. I'm just not a fan.

A solid month of full games in the VFL wont do him any harm at all. Should be a senior regular by round 22.

Agree with those two points 100%

re: Teebee and Keps in the ruck
Yeah I like Keps getting involved in the middle, he's an interesting one in the ruck position.

 

[VANDA]

Some good points made about our ruck above.

BUT......... i wouldnt get carried away with Kepler in the ruck either.

OK he is a handy pinch-hitter.......BUT.........FFS.......he will only be in his 3rd year of senior footy as well..........there remains an evident danger that he might be the one we end up 'burning-out' if we are expecting him to do too much too soon.

Would much rather see him play CHB all year & at least groom him for that position for many years to come & give Carts a real chance to establish his credentials as a regular senior player & support for Hille. Yep Ryder will be good for us but not yet.........let him find his form at Bendigo.

 

[bigbomber]

B: Welsh, Fletcher, Lovett-Murry
HB: Solomon, Bradley, McPhee
C: Heff, McVeigh, Campo
HF: Hird, Lucas, Lovett
F: Johns Lloyd, MJ
R: Hille, JJ, Stanton
Inter: Ryder Peverill, Watson, Winderlich

Down back i would have: McPhee-Hall, Fletcher-Olaughlin, Bradley-Richards and either solo/l-murry-okeefe. Welsh to take the small forward like shnieder or buchanan.

i would put heff on goodes. ryder as the back up ruckman as i think he is ahead of cartledge and sydneys ruckman are not great. i would still try and play hille in the ruck for 75-80% of the game. ryder can pinch hit up forward a bit aswell. i think hille can give us a huge advantage in the ruck.

with this side we have more options to rotate through our midfield and the luxery of mj in a f/p. he could go into middle if we have to push mcveigh back.

i would consider bolton over winderlich just for this game as he has done okay against goodes in the past and can help heff out if needed.

with this squad and in melb we should be expecting a 4 goal win i reckon

 

[TeeBee]

Some good points made about our ruck above.

BUT......... i wouldnt get carried away with Kepler in the ruck either.

OK he is a handy pinch-hitter.......BUT.........FFS.......he will only be in his 3rd year of senior footy as well..........there remains an evident danger that he might be the one we end up 'burning-out' if we are expecting him to do too much too soon.

I would love to see Keps settled at CHB however I was fortunate enough to be sitting next to Adrian Dodoro and Lloydy during the intra club match at Lexus and listened (eavedropped) to a conversation regarding Keps and rucking. Basically Adrian said it would be a huge bonus if Keppler was able to help out in the ruck during the year with his superior workrate around the ground , Matty agreed. He's built up quite a bit over the off season so I wouldn't be suprised to see Keppler used in that role at times during this year.

 

[VANDA]

I would love to see Keps settled at CHB however I was fortunate enough to be sitting next to Adrian Dodoro and Lloydy during the intra club match at Lexus and listened (eavedropped) to a conversation regarding Keps and rucking. Basically Adrian said it would be a huge bonus if Keppler was able to help out in the ruck during the year with his superior workrate around the ground , Matty agreed. He's built up quite a bit over the off season so I wouldn't be suprised to see Keppler used in that role at times during this year.

I dont doubt that will happen but i dont agree with it.
Cartledge is on our list as a ruckman.
Whilst Laycock is underdone play Cartledge in his place.
Give him a chance tp prove his potential for more than just one game.
It concerns me that we will overburden Keps by expecting too much from him too soon........both CHB & Ruck are positions that will take a heavy toll on Keps still developing body IMO.

 

[DaSawx]

I dont doubt that will happen but i dont agree with it.
Cartledge is on our list as a ruckman.
Whilst Laycock is underdone play Cartledge in his place.
Give him a chance tp prove his potential for more than just one game.
It concerns me that we will overburden Keps by expecting too much from him too soon........both CHB & Ruck are positions that will take a heavy toll on Keps still developing body IMO.

Very good points here, since Sydney's ruckmen aren't that good as people have mentioned previously, it would be a good chance for Carts to prove his worth.

He obviously has 'potential', that can't get realised without at least a couple of games in a row for now. We definately aren't desperate for Ryder to be a superstar straight away.

 

[Longy413]

Sydney's ruckmen aren't that good???

Jolley is a gun. He was 4th in the competition last season for hitouts and shared the duties with Ball.

I hope our coaching staff don't under-rate him as much as our supporters do.

 

[DaSawx]

Sydney's ruckmen aren't that good???

Jolley is a gun. He was 4th in the competition last season for hitouts and shared the duties with Ball.

I hope our coaching staff don't under-rate him as much as our supporters do.

Must say I haven't seen him play a great deal as Sydney games really did bore me LOL.

I'm still going to rescind my selection of Ryder earlier and replace with Carts, who knows what the coaching staff is thinking, they still might include Bolton to play on Goodes

 

[rioli brownlow]

Must say I haven't seen him play a great deal as Sydney games really did bore me LOL.

I'm still going to rescind my selection of Ryder earlier and replace with Carts, who knows what the coaching staff is thinking, they still might include Bolton to play on Goodes

please no!!!

 

[Tricky_Ricky2]

But Hille is just as good as Jolly if not better.

So if they are both having a good day they will cancel each other out.

So we need to pick a ruckman who will be able to beat Paul Chambers or Steven Doyle, both duds. It is a good chance for Cartledge to prove his worth, but as many have said, Ryder has been preffered in the pre-season so we may as well have enough faith in him to be able to match either of those duds for a few minutes each quarter.

 

[marcuz]

But Hille is just as good as Jolly if not better.

So if they are both having a good day they will cancel each other out.

So we need to pick a ruckman who will be able to beat Paul Chambers or Steven Doyle, both duds. It is a good chance for Cartledge to prove his worth, but as many have said, Ryder has been preffered in the pre-season so we may as well have enough faith in him to be able to match either of those duds for a few minutes each quarter.

Chambers is average but he'll do a job and is quite mobile. Doyle is an injury plagued talent(we have our own in laycock) he has a good leap and can be very good up forward, they are both far from being duds.

 

[Longy413]

But Hille is just as good as Jolly if not better.

As much as I like Hille at the moment all he has given us is moments of greatness and a glimpse of potential. Jolley's output in 2005 has far outweighed anything Hille has done in one season.

So we need to pick a ruckman who will be able to beat Paul Chambers or Steven Doyle, both duds.

Doyle is no dud. He's talented, just very injury prone. Had he been fit in the past few years, Jolley would never have been traded for and Doyle would be a Premiership player.

IMO however, I'd play Cartledge.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

If we select Bolton, it will be a joke. We are at full strength and Bolts had one good game against Goodes. Last year he did nothing against him and all Goodes needs to do if kick one or two goals, even if he is quiet the rest of the match. Bolton has done nothing in pre-season.