Ruck Plethora

[_DBF_]

Minson, Griffin, Warnock, West, Jamar (free agent)

Do we want any of these?

As far as we're all concerned one of Derickx/Browne/Graham is going.

One of these would be a handy second ruck.
or

 

[Bojangles17]

No, id prefer to let everyone else feast on these dinosaurs whilst we quietly go about securing a goal kicking freak

 

[_DBF_]

We used to have one

 

[tugga]

No.
They are all spuds.

 

[sante]

Vickery is our 2nd ruck. I swear Tiger fans on average would have to be the least knowledgable about the modern game.

Teams will not play 2 traditional rucks anymore, one or both have to be agile to play forward.

 

[TheProwler]

Do we want any of these? 6 months ago, without doubt.

Now, NO. We would have to pay too much in salary and trade (free agency could be used for Jamar or Minson).

Would be better looking about other leagues for the next Giles etc as a 2nd/3rd ruck behind Ivan, Gus and Browne with Vicks being the resting ruck going forward.

Worst case scenario if Ivan is unavailable then we still have the same rucks as last year waiting for a run so no need to rush out and secure an overpriced reserve player.

 

[TimeFor11]

Angus Graham is only 24 and definitely worth persisting with based on his dominant form in the VFL. Maric, Ty and Gus is enough +1 project which atm is Browne. Derickx is a KPF.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Angus Graham is only 24 and definitely worth persisting with based on his dominant form in the VFL. Maric, Ty and Gus is enough +1 project which atm is Browne. Derickx is a KPF.

KPD and if not tried there soon won't be on our list beyond this season . We need another ruckman however I'd prefer it be a younger version of Eevan , been on a list 3-4 years and starved of opportunities .

 

[tugga]

Unless Todd Goldstein felt the need to move on, trading for a ruckman now would be mind numbingly dumb. Even then, I don't think it would be worth it.
We have already traded for our ruckman and he is doing a wonderful job. Maybe in three years time when Maric is slowing down, then we will probably feel the need to to bring a top shelf ruckman in.
In the meantime, we need to address other areas. Midfield depth and a key backman are areas I would focus, but it doesn't matter.
The ruckmen mentioned in the OP are not worth trading for. They are barely even worth mentioning.
The plan was to get Ivan in to do a job for three years and then launch at attack at a star ruckman when we are challenging. I see no reason to deviate from this plan. We are not challenging yet.
Just because names get thrown around, doesn't mean we need to show interest. These players would all want to move for better opportinities. All of them would be behind Maric in the peckng order so why would they want to move from playing 2nd fiddle at their club to playing 2nd fiddle at our club.

 

[delediofan3]

Where's Griffin? He was so good in the latter years of last year.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Where's Griffin? He was so good in the latter years of last year.

Which year ?

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Draft another young ruckman either in the draft or rookie draft. We know how long they take so need to be developing another young one.

 

[Damo80]

Draft another young ruckman either in the draft or rookie draft. We know how long they take so need to be developing another young one.

Yep. Would be keen to have a look at Grundy, if available with our first pick... not sure he will be though. That said, happy with the "best available" motto, especially while we still have plenty of room to improve across every line.

 

[CoggaRules]

The tankers paid an arm and a leg for Warnock and he plays 4 1/2 games a year and the rest he is injured...NO ****ing way!!! they will play it as he is required but in reality they are cutting their losses with him and wanting to move their problem to someone else..

 

[Dr Tigris]

Looks like we've got a decent ruck for the next few years. But we will need another for when the squad is likely to be at its peak. SO draft 1-2 this year OK. Maybe plan on trading/Free agent for a top ruck in 3-4 years. Maybe Browne will be the job, but I doubt it. To me either draft early if a really good looking young ruck is still there (1st round), or rookie. Unless it was unmissable I would go for a mid in the 1st round and rookie a ruck.

 

[Damo80]

Unless it was unmissable I would go for a mid in the 1st round and rookie a ruck.

Agree... Grundy seems the standout. Considered a chance to go in last years mini draft, and at least one astute phantom drafter had us taking Grundy around pick 8 or 9 in this year's ND. But seems he's really coming on quickly this year, which means he is likely to firm into a top 5 selection. If he's still there when our first pick comes around, snaffle him. If not, don't waste a high pick on a long term speculator!

Without being up with how they're travelling, I'd hope we're sounding out promising young guys like GC's raft of young rucks (Gorringe, Hickey, Nicholls etc).

 

[living_in_syd]

Yep. Would be keen to have a look at Grundy, if available with our first pick... not sure he will be though. That said, happy with the "best available" motto, especially while we still have plenty of room to improve across every line.

Omg don't even think about wasting a first round pick on a developing ruckman no matter how highly touted they are.

Longest to take a impact and always hit and miss. Use later picks, rookies or just look alternative methods in vfl sanfl etc. they don't peak until they at mid 20s.

Like others said, backs with disposal and midfield depth is th way forward. Any awesome midfield can make a forward line look good tbh

 

[RichoLedio]

Maybe at the end of the year clear out Graham and Derickx (who may not even be the key to anything ) and keep Browne, Vickery and Mullet, then rookie list a young prospect and use a late pick on the best state league ruckman we can find

 

[TOOs_Finest]

No need, we did that last year and got a revelation in Maric. Any pure ruckman we trade for now is basically going to be a second ruck, which we all know wil sit at Coburg until Maric is injured. They can do that now at their current clubs.

Draft and develop a couple young rucks over the next five years, as part of a succession plan.

Keep our FTF funds at the ready in years to come if we need to replace Maric in a hurry.

 

[Damo80]

Omg don't even think about wasting a first round pick on a developing ruckman no matter how highly touted they are.

Depends if you're talking about a good underage ruck, or a standout. I know there are no guarantees (not that there is with mid's either... just ask Richard Tambling!), but if you want a good ruck, you need to pay for them. We can either have a handful of Gus/Browne/Derrickx types on our list, and hope that one comes good, or we can spend an early first round pick for a Kreuzer/Leuenberger type (i.e. near enough deadset certainties). If we don't have someone ready to go in around 3 or 4 years time, we'll be using a second round pick to chase a fringe ruck again (which has worked out beautifully so far with Ivan, I will admit), OR we'll have to fork out a couple of very high picks if you want a genuinely good, ready made ruck.

From what I've seen/heard/read, Grundy is one of those that would be worth snapping up if still around with our first pick. Look at Longer for the Lions. Long way from proven, but shows if the quality is there, and you "gamble" with an early pick, you don't necessarily have to wait 5 years before you start to get some returns. Another great example is West Coast... they had the best ruckman in the comp in Cox, but it didn't stop them "wasting" a high pick on the highly touted but unproven Nic Nat. It can work.

 

[living_in_syd]

Okay then - to a certain degree I agree. However, just remember a ruckman is a specialized role, there's 1-2 in a side max and not much margin for error like recruiting a midfielder who can become a star - inside, outside, halfback, forward pocket or just plain depth. Usually returns are much quicker.

 

[Slattery_20]

Unless Todd Goldstein felt the need to move on, trading for a ruckman now would be mind numbingly dumb. Even then, I don't think it would be worth it.
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All of them would be behind Maric in the peckng order so why would they want to move from playing 2nd fiddle at their club to playing 2nd fiddle at our club.

Agree with all of this.
Maric is good enough for the next 3-4 yeas (I suspect he's better than that, and won't be pushed out)

What you need is Vickery to find some form, or mould Griffiths/Elton into that KP/2nd ruck type.

Genuine part-timer is a genuine role now.

 

[telsor]

Omg don't even think about wasting a first round pick on a developing ruckman no matter how highly touted they are.

Longest to take a impact and always hit and miss. Use later picks, rookies or just look alternative methods in vfl sanfl etc. they don't peak until they at mid 20s.

Like others said, backs with disposal and midfield depth is th way forward. Any awesome midfield can make a forward line look good tbh

I used to think like this, and for years have said we should rookie a ruckman every year, cull half after 2 years as rookies, and another half after 2 years on the senior list would give us a decent ruckman every 4 years (on average).

But the game has changed.

Now, one of the most vital roles is a KPP that can handle their 'main' role and still play strongly as second ruck. Players like this don't come along every day (or ever year), so if there is a prospect available, they'll go early.

It's a higher risk pick than most at that level, but the rewards of it coming off would be worth it.

 

[Dr Tigris]

I used to think like this, and for years have said we should rookie a ruckman every year, cull half after 2 years as rookies, and another half after 2 years on the senior list would give us a decent ruckman every 4 years (on average).

But the game has changed.

Now, one of the most vital roles is a KPP that can handle their 'main' role and still play strongly as second ruck. Players like this don't come along every day (or ever year), so if there is a prospect available, they'll go early.

It's a higher risk pick than most at that level, but the rewards of it coming off would be worth it.

Agreed, but we have 3 of this type of player - TV, Griff, Elton. Either get a standout young ruck, or go for the reliable player we need. We still need midfield depth, and if we could jag a really talented small forward I would be very happy. Best available, within our needs.

 

[Damo80]

Maric is good enough for the next 3-4 yeas (I suspect he's better than that, and won't be pushed out)

What you need is Vickery to find some form, or mould Griffiths/Elton into that KP/2nd ruck type.

Really, what we need is that KP/2nd ruck (Vickery/Elton) AND we need to be thinking ahead to the future. I reckon if someone like Grundy is as good as I'm led to believe, then he's worth taking, and getting a few games into and developing over the next 3 or 4 years, so that by the time Maric is on the way out, he's 21 years old (give or take) and ready to go. The alternative is we hope we can snag another Maric in a few year's time. I can see the merit in both approaches, and I'd definitely not be averse to spending a high pick for a ruckman of high quality.