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Apart from Biglands and Clarke (has he retired??) who are your future ruckmen? Do you think you'll draft Cain Ackland or do you have someone better in mind?

BTW You can't have any of ours! :p
 
portentous said:
Apart from Biglands and Clarke (has he retired??) who are your future ruckmen? Do you think you'll draft Cain Ackland or do you have someone better in mind?

BTW You can't have any of ours! :p
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No Clark hasn’t retire


Cain Ackland would be a possibility if his work rate was to improve as well as he outlook towards his own career went. Ben Hudson may not get the kudos he deserves at the moment and will never be a Rehn or primus but he will play some good football in the next 3 or 4 years.


I expect the club to draft a ruckman with pick 28 , but that’s just my opinion
 
We got Hudson who has only taken up footy a couple of years ago. I am a bit of a fan because of the way he plays his footy. He just needs more game time. The bloke has that never say die attitude that I love.

Not sure if we will draft Ackland but I am sure we will pick up a young ruckman in the draft and place one or 2 on the rookie list. We already have Andrews on the rookie list. He is as raw as they come but his season has been encouraging. Since talls take a bit longer to develop he could come good eventually. Again he is another gutsy player who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty.

Genuinely the biggest weakness in our squad in terms of youngsters. We will draft one possibly with one of our second round draft picks.
 

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portentous said:
Apart from Biglands and Clarke (has he retired??) who are your future ruckmen? Do you think you'll draft Cain Ackland or do you have someone better in mind?

BTW You can't have any of ours! :p
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It's a good question because it's a wobbly area for us.

We have 2 ruckmen in Biglands and Clarke who get 1st hand on the ball more than their opposition in general, but get very few touches in field play. Added to that is the likelihood that Clarke will probably be playing his last year in 2005.

Hudson is handy and I love his competitive spirit, but he lacks general rucking skills at this stage due to his rawness. He could step up a bit further this year with another pre-season behind him this year - last year's step-up nearly killed him pre-season.

Andrews, on the roookie list, looks like he might make the grade, but not for a couple of years at least.

So we are cherry ripe with the need for ruckmen in the pipeline coming though in the very near future.

Personally I don't think we'll draft Ackland, unless Stewart has been very cagey in talking him down.

We're more likely to take a draftee ruckman with our second pick as suggested in the phantom draft via the link below

http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=ivan_maric
 
I wouldnt mind getting Ackland, although his work rate has been questioned I think his delisting would be a real kick up the arse for him and hopefully he will grab his next chance with both hands.

I really like the way Huddo goes about his footy, I was suprised at the lack of game time he recieved this year. Next year IMO him and Clarke will have to have a role reversal with Clarke being the one coming off the bench and with Huddo taking the number 1 role.
 
If Cameron Wood is still there at number 8 will they take him. Considered to be the best tall in the draft
 
Winefly said:
If Cameron Wood is still there at number 8 will they take him. Considered to be the best tall in the draft
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Depends on who else is still available


Out top 3 picks would be

Ryan Griffin (no brainier)
Angus Monfries
Cameron wood


And all 3 could be gone by pick 8.
 
Blue Red and Gold said:
I really like the way Huddo goes about his footy, I was suprised at the lack of game time he recieved this year. Next year IMO him and Clarke will have to have a role reversal with Clarke being the one coming off the bench and with Huddo taking the number 1 role.
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Definitely worth a go in the Wizard Cup/trial games. Give Huddo the most ruck match-time in these games, and let's see how he goes.
 
macca23 said:
It's a good question because it's a wobbly area for us.

We have 2 ruckmen in Biglands and Clarke who get 1st hand on the ball more than their opposition in general, but get very few touches in field play. Added to that is the likelihood that Clarke will probably be playing his last year in 2005.

Hudson is handy and I love his competitive spirit, but he lacks general rucking skills at this stage due to his rawness. He could step up a bit further this year with another pre-season behind him this year - last year's step-up nearly killed him pre-season.

Andrews, on the roookie list, looks like he might make the grade, but not for a couple of years at least.

So we are cherry ripe with the need for ruckmen in the pipeline coming though in the very near future.

Personally I don't think we'll draft Ackland, unless Stewart has been very cagey in talking him down.

We're more likely to take a draftee ruckman with our second pick as suggested in the phantom draft via the link below

http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=ivan_maric
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Maric would be great BUT I think there is a fair chance he could go earlier than 24. Recruiters say that there are 4 ruckman that can fall in the first round Maric being one of them. If Maric is gone we could go with someone like Shaw with 28 or get Neaves with 40 as a bottom age player
 

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Adelaide could end up missing out on a decent ruckman this draft. It basically depends on how picks 4, 5 & 6 go.

It appears the Dogs will take Wood @ 6.
De Luca to Hawthorn @ 7
Monfries to Crows @ 8
Meeson to Blues @ 9
Maric to Richmond @ 16

If Hawthorn or Richmond jump in early and take Wood @ 4 or 5, De Luca, Meeson & Maric would all drop down and the Crows could get Monfries @ 8 and still get Maric @ 24.

The Dogs might still take Maric @ 22 but a KP here seems more likely.

St. Kilda might be the only other side interested in a ruckman depending on whether they think Brooks will make it or not.
 
scooter600x said:
Adelaide could end up missing out on a decent ruckman this draft. It basically depends on how picks 4, 5 & 6 go.

It appears the Dogs will take Wood @ 6.
De Luca to Hawthorn @ 7
Monfries to Crows @ 8
Meeson to Blues @ 9
Maric to Richmond @ 16

If Hawthorn or Richmond jump in early and take Wood @ 4 or 5, De Luca, Meeson & Maric would all drop down and the Crows could get Monfries @ 8 and still get Maric @ 24.

The Dogs might still take Maric @ 22 but a KP here seems more likely.

St. Kilda might be the only other side interested in a ruckman depending on whether they think Brooks will make it or not.
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Exactly right.

Richmond, Hawks, Carlton, Port, St. Kilda and possibly Western Bulldogs are all after a ruckman and all of them have at least one pick before pick 24.

I would be very happy if Maric was available with pick 24 but I think he won't be and we will probably end up with someone like Earl Shaw.

If we got Monfries @ 8 and Maric @ 24 I would be a very happy chap.
 
Don't forget Port let Ackland go in the first place so will be in the market for a good young ruckman and have 2 first round picks - #11 and #19.
 
Blue Red and Gold said:
I wouldnt mind getting Ackland, although his work rate has been questioned I think his delisting would be a real kick up the arse for him and hopefully he will grab his next chance with both hands.

I really like the way Huddo goes about his footy, I was suprised at the lack of game time he recieved this year. Next year IMO him and Clarke will have to have a role reversal with Clarke being the one coming off the bench and with Huddo taking the number 1 role.
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Do you think Port would not have kicked him, threatened him, done everything in their power to extract the talent everyone recognises?

No If Port have given up, are we so egotistical to think we can magically turn him around (doesn't this remind you of Hawthorns and carltons attitude to Angwin :p )
He'll probably get picked up by a club in the draft, but on the off chance he doesn't I would give him a PS to see if he can work his backside off, and then and only then consider him.

Love Huddo - thought his rucking was OK, hopefully he can get his fitness up to a level where he can contribute for longer - heres hoping.
 
scooter600x said:
Adelaide could end up missing out on a decent ruckman this draft. It basically depends on how picks 4, 5 & 6 go.

It appears the Dogs will take Wood @ 6.
De Luca to Hawthorn @ 7
Monfries to Crows @ 8
Meeson to Blues @ 9
Maric to Richmond @ 16

If Hawthorn or Richmond jump in early and take Wood @ 4 or 5, De Luca, Meeson & Maric would all drop down and the Crows could get Monfries @ 8 and still get Maric @ 24.

The Dogs might still take Maric @ 22 but a KP here seems more likely.

St. Kilda might be the only other side interested in a ruckman depending on whether they think Brooks will make it or not.
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Interesting I said a few weeks back that the Dogs hold the key to our draft selections.

Will the Dogs go for a ruckman with pick 6 or a KPP?
The answer may well decide if we get wood or Monfries? - as Hawthorn will definately take a ruckman and possibly opt for the Home Grown Deluca.
 
Wayne's-World said:
Interesting I said a few weeks back that the Dogs hold the key to our draft selections.

Will the Dogs go for a ruckman with pick 6 or a KPP?
The answer may well decide if we get wood or Monfries? - as Hawthorn will definately take a ruckman and possibly opt for the Home Grown Deluca.
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I am not sure that Hawks will go for DeLuca. I reckon if Wood is there, they would go for him. Wood is a better prospect than DeLuca.
 

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Stiffy_18 said:
I am not sure that Hawks will go for DeLuca. I reckon if Wood is there, they would go for him. Wood is a better prospect than DeLuca.
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Maybe some hometown bias there ;)
But in a close call - as we have indicated with the Crows you would tend to go with homegrown.
Less homesickness, and less likely to pull stumps and go home?
 
Wayne's-World said:
Interesting I said a few weeks back that the Dogs hold the key to our draft selections.

Will the Dogs go for a ruckman with pick 6 or a KPP?
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We do need another ruckman. Darcy is 29, Street is pathetic and while Minson looks promising he will need help down the track.

KPP are more important to us than ruckmen but there probably wont be one worth taking at 6 (unless Rich or Haw take Wood earlier and let Roughead fall through).

If the Dogs don't take Wood, it is likely they would look at one of the other SA boys - Monfries, Eckerman or Meyer, or perhaps Lewis.

Clayton does have a history of not caring about what other people think and picking someone out of the blue.
 
Mad Dog said:
Agree but I reckon Rock is a relief for Clarke at best.
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That we honestly don't know.
Hudson has 1 VFL PS and 1 AFL PS under his belt from Queensland - hardly a good fitness base.

His efforts with that preparation was great - I remember everyone saying how much he really struggled last PS.

His second PS will make enormous difference - we will get a different player this season - how much improvement is in him we'll soon see, but don't categorise him after last seasons effort. ;)
 
Wayne's-World said:
That we honestly don't know.
Hudson has 1 VFL PS and 1 AFL PS under his belt from Queensland - hardly a good fitness base.

His efforts with that preparation was great - I remember everyone saying how much he really struggled last PS.

His second PS will make enormous difference - we will get a different player this season - how much improvement is in him we'll soon see, but don't categorise him after last seasons effort. ;)
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Correct. I watched PS training last year, and at times they had to scrape him off the oval after training - well almost!! :)

This year will do him the world of good - he won't be playing catch-up all pre-season, and like you I'm expecting him to benefit from the extra fitness levels in 2005.
 
Wayne's-World said:
That we honestly don't know.
Hudson has 1 VFL PS and 1 AFL PS under his belt from Queensland - hardly a good fitness base.

His efforts with that preparation was great - I remember everyone saying how much he really struggled last PS.

His second PS will make enormous difference - we will get a different player this season - how much improvement is in him we'll soon see, but don't categorise him after last seasons effort. ;)
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Look - I hope you're right....I question whether he is tall enough to play consistantly in the ruck. I'm certainly not questioning his effort...better than most in 2004...and I'd have him in front of Biglands given where we need to get to in terms of rucks over the next few years.
Having said all that - given his age - Rock can't turn into a long term experiment as some others have. I'd be giving him a crack at CHF if Stevo doesn't come up...he certainly has the mobility - is a good mark - and will take a pretty tall defender which takes the pressure off others
 

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