Rule clarification - handballing to yourself

[Power King]

Hypothetical situation:

say you were running with the ball for 15 m then did a massively long high looping handball which was very inaccurate to a flat footed team mate. You continue to run onto the end of the ball before it bounces, and continue with your possession of it.

Is this holding the ball?

Because if it isn't, then it automatically means that players can run with the ball for 15 m, do a small handball to themselves (in the air, ie without it touching the ground) and continue running.

This would certainly beat bouncing the ball or touching it to the ground, in terms of running speed, especially in wet weather footy.

Any footy rules experts out there know the answer to this one?

 

[eldorado]

That's quite a question.

I guess we'll find out which teams read BF when the first team comes out with this tactic next week.

Although, in all honesty, I expect if the umpire determines you were actually trying to find a team-mate, it is a disposal...whereas a little dink to yourself clearly isn't.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Wouldn't be holding the ball, might get done for too far. I'm sure if you handball it to yourself, and it doesn't touch the ground, you'll get pinged for running too far.

On another note, if a player has the ball, and a dozen teammates form a wall around him within 5m, blocking any tacklers, can he run the length of the field and kick a goal, mighty ducks style?

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

if, whenever you had the ball, you constantly handballed a few cm into the air and caught it, would you be given a stat?

 

[eldorado]

if, whenever you had the ball, you constantly handballed a few cm into the air and caught it, would you be given a stat?

I know what you're thinking, Gazza, but no.


(sorry, had to say it, no offence intended )

 

[Cuzz09]

Wouldn't be holding the ball, might get done for too far. I'm sure if you handball it to yourself, and it doesn't touch the ground, you'll get pinged for running too far.

On another note, if a player has the ball, and a dozen teammates form a wall around him within 5m, blocking any tacklers, can he run the length of the field and kick a goal, mighty ducks style?

Classic!! That would be great to see!

I can picture guys trying to smash through the group like at then end of "I am legend" where the dead people are trying to get to Will Smith in that glass box

I had one the other day...

Whats happens if a defender marks the ball in the last line of defence....the siren goes and his team wins... He is excited and boots the ball into the crowd.... Is that a free kick to the opposition from the boundary and a set shot?? - It should be because if a forward marks the ball and the siren goes the result of his kick is counted...

 

[Dennis]

You are deemed to still have possession

Running too far

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

You are deemed to still have possession

Running too far

Not if you collect it up after its bounced............

 

[Cuzz09]

I know what you're thinking, Gazza, but no.


(sorry, had to say it, no offence intended )

if a team flooded like mad and there was 1 guy left in defence down the other end and the ball came to him and everyone stayed in the forward line he could kick it 20m away from himself, run over and get it and kick it back 20m to where he previously was over and over and the kicks would get counted.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

I know what you're thinking, Gazza, but no.


(sorry, had to say it, no offence intended )

nice try, but i'm actually mathew stokes

 

[eldorado]

Whats happens if a defender marks the ball in the last line of defence....the siren goes and his team wins... He is excited and boots the ball into the crowd.... Is that a free kick to the opposition from the boundary and a set shot?? - It should be because if a forward marks the ball and the siren goes the result of his kick is counted...

Sadly, no.

Game is over as soon as umpire hears the siren unless there is a set shot for goal to be taken.

Like your thinking though...

 

[borgsta2006]

Hypothetical situation:

say you were running with the ball for 15 m then did a massively long high looping handball which was very inaccurate to a flat footed team mate. You continue to run onto the end of the ball before it bounces, and continue with your possession of it.

Is this holding the ball?

Because if it isn't, then it automatically means that players can run with the ball for 15 m, do a small handball to themselves (in the air, ie without it touching the ground) and continue running.

This would certainly beat bouncing the ball or touching it to the ground, in terms of running speed, especially in wet weather footy.

Any footy rules experts out there know the answer to this one?

If the ball doesn't touch the ground you would be deemed to have run too far I suspect as the ball hasn't touched the ground, so technically you haven't bounced it every 15m.

 

[borgsta2006]

Classic!! That would be great to see!

I can picture guys trying to smash through the group like at then end of "I am legend" where the dead people are trying to get to Will Smith in that glass box

I had one the other day...

Whats happens if a defender marks the ball in the last line of defence....the siren goes and his team wins... He is excited and boots the ball into the crowd.... Is that a free kick to the opposition from the boundary and a set shot?? - It should be because if a forward marks the ball and the siren goes the result of his kick is counted...

The umpire that pay this is:
1. Not displaying any common sense.
2. A prick!

Any umpire worth their grain of salt and displaying any common sense would know the situation and basically call time off = game over.

 

[Shane Hird]

Hypothetical situation:

say you were running with the ball for 15 m then did a massively long high looping handball which was very inaccurate to a flat footed team mate. You continue to run onto the end of the ball before it bounces, and continue with your possession of it.

Is this holding the ball?

Because if it isn't, then it automatically means that players can run with the ball for 15 m, do a small handball to themselves (in the air, ie without it touching the ground) and continue running.

This would certainly beat bouncing the ball or touching it to the ground, in terms of running speed, especially in wet weather footy.

Any footy rules experts out there know the answer to this one?

Barry Young used to do that often...

 

[goodie23]

15.2.2
(b) Where a Player is moving whilst in possession of the
football, he or she must bounce or touch the football on
the ground at least once every 15 metres, irrespective
of whether such Player is running in a straight line or
otherwise. For the purposes of this Law, a Player shall
be deemed to be in possession of the football during the
period when the Player handballs the football to himself
or herself and regains possession without the football
touching the ground.

If the ball bounces, you're fine. If you handball in the air and regain possession without the ball bouncing, it's holding the ball.

On a similar note, it's probably not a stat because you're deemed to still have possession of the ball, you never lost it.

 

[Ants]

15.2.2
(b) Where a Player is moving whilst in possession of the
football, he or she must bounce or touch the football on
the ground at least once every 15 metres, irrespective
of whether such Player is running in a straight line or
otherwise. For the purposes of this Law, a Player shall
be deemed to be in possession of the football during the
period when the Player handballs the football to himself
or herself and regains possession without the football
touching the ground.

If the ball bounces, you're fine. If you handball in the air and regain possession without the ball bouncing, it's holding the ball.

On a similar note, it's probably not a stat because you're deemed to still have possession of the ball, you never lost it.

On the weekend Yarran did a little dinky handball to himself just before being tackled, which was seen as fine (correct disposal). At the time I thought that was fine.

But looking at this, if he was clearly doing it to himself, as a substitute for bouncing, was he fine? It was clearly to himself, he pretty much handballed with low power straight into the ground in front of him, with no player ahead.

 

[omit]

Back when I played juniors it was holding the ball

 

[goodie23]

On the weekend Yarran did a little dinky handball to himself just before being tackled, which was seen as fine (correct disposal). At the time I thought that was fine.

But looking at this, if he was clearly doing it to himself, as a substitute for bouncing, was he fine? It was clearly to himself, he pretty much handballed with low power straight into the ground in front of him, with no player ahead.

Can't say for certain without seeing it. As the rules stand if you handball it and the ball hits the ground, you are deemed to have lost possession, regardless of your intentions.

If you are tackled while the ball is on the ground, holding the man (harsh, but them's the rules).

If you are tackled after regaining the ball, then it's the umpire's interpretation as to whether or not you had prior opportunity. Technically you did not, but that's a very literal interpretation of the rule.

 

[Power King]

If the ball bounces, you're fine. If you handball in the air and regain possession without the ball bouncing, it's holding the ball.

On a similar note, it's probably not a stat because you're deemed to still have possession of the ball, you never lost it.

End thread.

Interesting point the latter one.

 

[Ants]

Can't say for certain without seeing it. As the rules stand if you handball it and the ball hits the ground, you are deemed to have lost possession, regardless of your intentions.

If you are tackled while the ball is on the ground, holding the man (harsh, but them's the rules).

If you are tackled after regaining the ball, then it's the umpire's interpretation as to whether or not you had prior opportunity. Technically you did not, but that's a very literal interpretation of the rule.

He hadn't taken back possesion so it looks like the umpire was right for paying a holding the man free.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

On the weekend Yarran did a little dinky handball to himself just before being tackled, which was seen as fine (correct disposal). At the time I thought that was fine.

But looking at this, if he was clearly doing it to himself, as a substitute for bouncing, was he fine? It was clearly to himself, he pretty much handballed with low power straight into the ground in front of him, with no player ahead.

It's easier to bounce it than try that move.

 

[Ants]

Originally Posted by Ants
On the weekend Yarran did a little dinky handball to himself just before being tackled, which was seen as fine (correct disposal). At the time I thought that was fine.

But looking at this, if he was clearly doing it to himself, as a substitute for bouncing, was he fine? It was clearly to himself, he pretty much handballed with low power straight into the ground in front of him, with no player ahead.

It's easier to bounce it than try that move.

Yeah, but if he'd bounced he would have been holding the ball. Instead it was holding the man.

 

[Bob_vic]

In relation to deliberately handballing in front of the body, possession of the ball is subjective. It all comes down to whether the player is deemed to be in control of the ball.

15.2.1 In Possession of the Football
A Player is in possession of the football if, in the opinion of the
field Umpire:
(a) the Player is holding or otherwise has control of
the football;

 

[invinciBlues]

Handball seems a no, but I'm pretty sure you could do a dinky little kick to yourself like they do in Gaelic Footy and all is fine.

 

[Bob_vic]

Handball seems a no, but I'm pretty sure you could do a dinky little kick to yourself like they do in Gaelic Footy and all is fine.

A "solo kick" is treated the same as a handball. The player is still in control of the ball.