Injury Russell your feathers - discuss all things high performance; injury lists, Marvel surface, curse from the gods and Andrew Russell

[Accidental genius]

SoS long gone now. The re-signing of said players, and lack of list turnover particularly last year, to clear some of these types, compounds the issue.

For example, Cunningham has spent 10years on the list for very few games or which when he does play, inconsistent output.

All teams, go through this. Cutting their losses of "talented" high picks who cant get in the park... Collingwood had a litany of them a few years ago, eg. Freeman, Rusling etc.

To me list mgt has got to play a part. Professional sport is a ruthless business, and there is always hard luck stories

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Yeah I agree.

You can never pin these things on one person.

I suggested a couple of years ago we should not extend marchy’s contract but others here believed we should….and the argument was who do you replace them with - poor argument really.

Anyway there are many now, and rightfully so, wanting cunners Martin and marchy gone.

 

[Blue1980]

So why was it a good idea last season but not this season? They didn't reinjure themselves last season.

I think the overall heavier training loads have made those guys even more injury susceptible.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

To me list mgt has got to play a part. Professional sport is a ruthless business, and there is always hard luck stories

It does and any good club would have their list managent make data backed decisions after being brought up to speed on each player's health situation etc by Russells team. So there's something amiss in the process I imagine.

 

[Stamos]

Hun

Sports science expert David Buttifant backs Blues’ fitness team as injury list soars​

https://archive.md/QM79P

 

[Stamos]

The alarming numbers outlining Carlton's multi-year injury crisis

Carlton’s injury crisis has the chance to derail what could be their best shot to win a premiership in 20 years.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Arr0w]

The alarming numbers outlining Carlton's multi-year injury crisis

Carlton’s injury crisis has the chance to derail what could be their best shot to win a premiership in 20 years.

www.sen.com.au

Why would they state start of 2023 for one stat, but July for the other

Ah yea, carries more weight

Lazy

 

[Arr0w]

Zac Williams - 28 ACL majority
Caleb Marchbank - 21 Injury prone
Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

- 20^ Injury prone
David Cuningham

28

David Cuningham

Age

27

Ht

183cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.5

3star

D

12.1

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.1

3star

G

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

5.6

5star

G

0.4

3star

- 16^ Injury prone
Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

- 16^ ACL majority
Sam Walsh

18

Sam Walsh

Age

23

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

- 15 Back majority
Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

- 14^ ACL majority
Corey Durdin - 13 Shoulder/hammy
Sam Durdin

38

Sam Durdin

Age

27

Ht

199cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

6.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

- 13^ Who knows
Alex Mirkov - 12 Heart
Jesse Motlop - 11^ Hammy
Mitch McGovern

11

Mitch Mcgovern

Age

29

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

- 10 Injury prone

 

[Crippa#9]

Hun

Sports science expert David Buttifant backs Blues’ fitness team as injury list soars​

https://archive.md/QM79P

No doubt Russell and his team are good people and are feeling as frustrated with current situation as we are but the club have to overhaul the S&C team at end of year. It's simply not working and a different approach is required.

No matter what is said, a healthy list is the difference to being a good team to that of a Premiership team. Our in-season injury lists has been too extensive for far too many years.

 

[Stamos]

No doubt Russell and his team are good people and are feeling as frustrated with current situation as we are but the club have to overhaul the S&C team at end of year. It's simply not working and a different approach is required.

That it's not currently working doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be overhauled.
Maybe they've learned from the things that have gone wrong and can make improvements from here.

 

[Stamos]

Caleb Marchbank - 21 Injury prone
David Cuningham - 16^ Injury prone

Also, the majority of games missed by these 2 since the start of last year were due to the recovery from their ACLs in 2022.

 

[AT97]

The alarming numbers outlining Carlton's multi-year injury crisis

Carlton’s injury crisis has the chance to derail what could be their best shot to win a premiership in 20 years.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Beyond Blue]

That it's not currently working doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be overhauled.
Maybe they've learned from the things that have gone wrong and can make improvements from here.

That’s true but Russell is in his 6th year at the club. How long does he get?

 

[CCurnow3votes]

The alarming numbers outlining Carlton's multi-year injury crisis

Carlton’s injury crisis has the chance to derail what could be their best shot to win a premiership in 20 years.

www.sen.com.au

Guess-en and others jumping onto this “hot topic” like a vulture.

God help us when they or fox footy are being used as weight to prove a point.

 

[RPCB]

The alarming numbers outlining Carlton's multi-year injury crisis

Carlton’s injury crisis has the chance to derail what could be their best shot to win a premiership in 20 years.

www.sen.com.au

Even if we win the flag this year, certain people (players and staff) need to not be here next year. That should be pretty clear.

 

[Stamos]

That’s true but Russell is in his 6th year at the club. How long does he get?

Firstly, I have no idea what the right call is. We can only place our trust in Cook et al and hope for the best.

There are a some other factors in regards to Russell though.
He was not given free reign until the last couple of years, and as such, our list was not fit enough. There was a conscious decision that we needed to train harder and get the whole squad fitter for the long term, and that this would take several years.

The spate of soft-tissue injuries has really only been an issue this year, and it seems we have recognised that we may have gone too hard with the training this pre-season.

From here options include recognising the mistake and having heads roll for it, or recognising the mistake and learning and adjusting for the future.

 

[Stamos]

Guess-en and others jumping onto this “hot topic” like a vulture.

God help us when they or fox footy are being used as weight to prove a point.

Our injury issues are undeniably a big story that the media should be covering.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Our injury issues are undeniably a big story that the media should be covering.

Especially when it suits a point being made .

But as soon as they report on something we don't like - we slag them off.

Media vultures are great at reading the room - the more disturbed it is the better.

 

[Arr0w]

Good news doesn't make good headlines

 

[JJBagger]

Good news doesn't make good headlines

The bloke who wrote that story is a Carlton fan. A pretty pessimistic one at that too

 

[Arr0w]

The bloke who wrote that story is a Carlton fan. A pretty pessimistic one at that too

Safer to run with herd

 

[Beyond Blue]

Firstly, I have no idea what the right call is. We can only place our trust in Cook et al and hope for the best.

There are a some other factors in regards to Russell though.
He was not given free reign until the last couple of years, and as such, our list was not fit enough. There was a conscious decision that we needed to train harder and get the whole squad fitter for the long term, and that this would take several years.

The spate of soft-tissue injuries has really only been an issue this year, and it seems we have recognised that we may have gone too hard with the training this pre-season.

From here options include recognising the mistake and having heads roll for it, or recognising the mistake and learning and adjusting for the future.

It beggars belief still to this day that Lloyd survived the 2021 review. Teague and Russell both reported to him. Surely he must have backed Teague to override Russell.

That all said I also trust Cook to make the right calls on strength and condition (and list management) of injury prone players at the end of the season.

 

[ESKIE]

Could it be the surface of Ikon that’s the issue ?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Especially when it suits a point being made .

But as soon as they report on something we don't like - we slag them off.

Media vultures are great at reading the room - the more disturbed it is the better.

What point? To generate clicks? Yes. All the articles are doing is highlighting an issue. There's no secret effort to destabilize the club.

Could it be the surface of Ikon that’s the issue ?

This has supposedly been reviewed but don't know by who or how well. Pies had their training field reviewed after 2012 due to losing the season to injury. Found it was bad. But then also found it was bad again around covid idr exactly. Don't think it's the easiest thing to change

 

[agro]

What point? To generate clicks? Yes. All the articles are doing is highlighting an issue. There's no secret effort to destabilize the club.

This has supposedly been reviewed but don't know by who or how well. Pies had their training field reviewed after 2012 due to losing the season to injury. Found it was bad. But then also found it was bad again around covid idr exactly. Don't think it's the easiest thing to change

Collingwood redid the surface on AIA oval over the past summer.

 

[Stamos]

It beggars belief still to this day that Lloyd survived the 2021 review. Teague and Russell both reported to him. Surely he must have backed Teague to override Russell.

Reckon there might have been more influence from somebody higher up who didn’t survive the review.