Sad and Ashamed.....

Still Crowing · Feb 21, 2003

This morning, on the way to work, one of my colleagues (on his way to a meeting wearing his Navy Uniform) was spat on and called a warmonger just outside Melbourne Central train station.

I was shocked and appalled. What sort of deviant ingrate does that? What sort of moron can't tell the difference between government policy and the military? Regardless of your views on the current build up of forces in the Persian Gulf, surely it can be seen that a person in the military has absolutely no say whatsoever in whether they get sent to an active zone or to say Townsville for example. And surely it can be seen that without the military, and the protection it provides in a democratic society for freedom of speach (in conjunction with the courts and the constitution of course), that this person wouldn't even have the right to have their own personal view, unless it coincided happily with the government of the day?

The ADF is a professional and proud organisation that represents Australia the world over, and does this well. People in the ADF are not asking for the country to get down and genuflect in awed thanks-giving praise......but spitting on service men and women...what has this country come to?

I have never been ashamed of being an Australian, I have always thought that we represent something for a lot of other countries to aspire to with regards to our multiculturalism, our tolerance, and way of life. After hearing about this incident, and after the anger had passed (surprisingly swiftly) I was left feeling sad and I think ashamed.

rant over.

Kasey

knuckles · Feb 21, 2003

Isn't assaulting the military a serious offence?
Pretty much the death penalty or 10-20 years in most Asian countries.
That vermin who did the spitting should get theirs. Though I suggest their standing in society has pretty much dealt them the hand they deserve.

Docker_Brat · Feb 21, 2003

I think the important word there is "moron".

Although I am dead against the war, spitting on people who are in the defence forces just isn't on. The spitting should be reserved for our leaders who seem hell bent on sending these people over there.

goal_umpire · Feb 21, 2003

That's just disgusting. I hope that your friend is ok and most importantly that you are ok SC.

iceman · Feb 21, 2003

Members of the defence force should in no way be treated with disrespect because of the upcoming war. They have no say in what they have to do, its the politicians etc who tell them what to do.

Im just glad your friend didnt beat the **** out of the person that spat on him

mantis · Feb 21, 2003

I agree they shouldn't be treated like that.

Also, they don't have to go to Iraq, there is a simple way out if they want, just refuse to have the Anthrax vaccine.

nut · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by iceman
They have no say in what they have to do

Spitting is wrong.

But these people who have joined the armed forces have given up there lives to the PM. He has full power to order them to do what ever he likes.

To say it's not there fault is a bit rich. If no one joined the armed forces then there would be no fight.

Chicken and the egg.

SpecialBruce · Feb 21, 2003

I agree with most here. What that person did was wrong. He was probably some unemployed alcoholic aswell.

fabulousphil · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by nut
Spitting is wrong.

But these people who have joined the armed forces have given up there lives to the PM. He has full power to order them to do what ever he likes.

To say it's not there fault is a bit rich. If no one joined the armed forces then there would be no fight.

Chicken and the egg.

If no one worked at Maccas, lots of people wouldnt get fat either.

Idiot.

nut · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by fabulousphil
If no one worked at Maccas, lots of people wouldnt get fat either.

Idiot.

It's like policemen complaining when they get shot at. It's part of the job.

I respect the Armed Forces but they represent one person in this country and thats the PM. He has Full pwr over the Armed Forces.
Change the Laws so that if the PM wants to comit the armed forces to war he has to pass it through parliment.
One man shouldn't have the pwr over so many.

And yes I am a Idiot.

Jars458 · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by nut
It's like policemen complaining when they get shot at. It's part of the job.

What rubbish.

Unfortunately being a Police Officer can lead on rare occasions to them being shot at - doesn't mean it should happen to them or that they shouldn't complain about it when it happens. It is in no way their fault

This is even more so in the spitting example. That is not directly or indirectly something that should occur from being in the armed forces. It was not SC's mates fault at all.

Completely unacceptbale action.

One that would be condemed by 99.99% of people I would imagine.

fabulousphil · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by nut

And yes I am a Idiot.

i resoect that

iceman · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by nut
Spitting is wrong.

But these people who have joined the armed forces have given up there lives to the PM. He has full power to order them to do what ever he likes.

To say it's not there fault is a bit rich. If no one joined the armed forces then there would be no fight.

Chicken and the egg.

I doubt that these people join the defence force to give up their lives for the PM. Their role is to protect the country from invasion and the like. They do not represent one person, that comments a bit rich.

Katthawk · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by iceman
I doubt that these people join the defence force to give up their lives for the PM. Their role is to protect the country from invasion and the like. They do not represent one person, that comments a bit rich.

They also join because they like the type of job, just unfortunate that they get lumped in with being representatives of the government and what it stands for.

But the spitting is truly moronic and I hate the thought of 'good-looking' defence force uniforms being ruined. I love a good man in a good uniform.

lioness · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by Docker_Brat

Although I am dead against the war, spitting on people who are in the defence forces just isn't on. The spitting should be reserved for our leaders who seem hell bent on sending these people over there.

Sums up my feelings on the subject too.

Adrian Shelton · Feb 21, 2003

I'll have to keep an eye out for some of these moon units while i'm riding the trains, should be easy to smell their dreads and B.O from about 2 stations away( and that's just the girlies mind you!). I'd like to see these ungrateful wannabe-commo turds live in a country where you have to keep your trap shut, they wouldn't last 5 seconds. Filthy snake whoever did that, they're not even a person in my eyes.

Bakes · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by nut
It's like policemen complaining when they get shot at. It's part of the job.

And yes I am a Idiot.

Dont under estimate yourself you ****wit.

What a stupid thing to say, its only because of the scum of society that the police get shot at, DFP get sent to wars, and we have to put up with trash like you

Dr.Grouse · Feb 22, 2003

If sailor boys can't cop getting spat at, they probably won't be too thrilled about getting shot at either.

Don't like our chances in this war if our DFPs are gunna go all weak at the knees over a bit of saliva.

Mind you, I agree it was a waste of a good slag. I'd much rather we targeted the REAL trash of society ... like John Howard, Alexander Downer, George Bush Pig and anyone who agrees with them.

Bakes · Feb 22, 2003

Originally posted by Dr.Grouse
If sailor boys can't cop getting spat at, they probably won't be too thrilled about getting shot at either.

Don't like our chances in this war if our DFPs are gunna go all weak at the knees over a bit of saliva.

Mind you, I agree it was a waste of a good slag. I'd much rather we targeted the REAL trash of society ... like John Howard, Alexander Downer, George Bush Pig and anyone who agrees with them.

1) I think he cop't it well by not retaliating.

2) Once again did he go weak at the knees and retaliate??? No , he stood stong, took what was dished out and kept walking.

3) Your choice of who you spit on comes down to you, unfortunately, but if you refer to police and DFP's as if they deserve what happened above, I hope you choke on your saved up saliva.

Hollypig · Feb 22, 2003

Originally posted by Dr.Grouse
If sailor boys can't cop getting spat at, they probably won't be too thrilled about getting shot at either.

Don't like our chances in this war if our DFPs are gunna go all weak at the knees over a bit of saliva.

Mind you, I agree it was a waste of a good slag. I'd much rather we targeted the REAL trash of society ... like John Howard, Alexander Downer, George Bush Pig and anyone who agrees with them.

Two words hero, human shield.
You could stand next to Gordon.

nut · Feb 22, 2003

Originally posted by iceman
I doubt that these people join the defence force to give up their lives for the PM. Their role is to protect the country from invasion and the like. They do not represent one person, that comments a bit rich.

Well the Fact is that even if 99.9% of Australians don't Want our Defence force to INVADE Iraq it means nothing because the Prime Minister of Australia has complete pwr to do so.

If he does Comit us to War and the majority of Australians are against it, Isn't this a Dictatorship???????? Best interest of Australia indeed.

hotpie · Feb 22, 2003

This thing used to happen all the time in WWII. Except it was non uniformed people who were abused (given white feathers as a sign of cowardice etc)

The boot is on the other foot now - ironic really.

Its an understandable action - war is an extremely emotional subject.

Bomber Spirit · Feb 22, 2003

Disgraceful stuff. Much as I don't approve of the war, it's not the soldier's decision. It's John Howard's decision, and the abuse and spitting should be reserved for him.

PrideofSA · Feb 22, 2003

It's kinda like the so called peace protestors who protest violently. Work that one out

iceman · Feb 22, 2003

Originally posted by nut
Well the Fact is that even if 99.9% of Australians don't Want our Defence force to INVADE Iraq it means nothing because the Prime Minister of Australia has complete pwr to do so.

You said it yourself, our defence force personnel have no say in the matter, even though the PM has the power to make these decisions doesnt mean they joined to lay down their lives for him.

If he does Comit us to War and the majority of Australians are against it, Isn't this a Dictatorship???????? Best interest of Australia indeed.

Its funny you should mention that, in the paper the other day, some woman was saying that John Howard came out and said that although the people of Australia may be against his decision to follow the US, he felt it was the right thing to do.
She then went on to say that his job is to represent the people of Australias interests, not his own and therefore he wasnt doing his job.

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