Same Mistakes

[Simche]

Why oh why can we all see the same mistakes being constantly made, yet management continue to make them (or am I the only one seeing this?). I've had a particularly bad night and am not exactly the most positive guy going around anyways so excuse my self indulgence in this post.

By all measures we are trading for flankers and pockets (Hooper, McMahon, Morton). Last time I checked I thought we were full up on players who failed to fulfill their potential to move into the midfield and stagnated on a flank (Pettifer, Raines, Newman (pre injury) going all the way back to guys like Poyas and Fiora). What makes us so incapable of forcing these types into the middle and forcing them to become damaging pinch hit midfielders (see Alan Didak)? Furthermore why are we so intent on continuing a draft strategy that sees us only pick up genuine midfielders in the latter rounds and focus on athletic flankers in the former. Is it too hard in these days of athlete v footballer to simply employ the West Coast draft policy and pick up genuine junior ball winers with size about them and take the athletes at latter picks?

Maybe this nasty hangover is toying with me but with whats being reported I can't help but feel a little disillusioned that we're not trying to trade away the deadwood (Schultz, Meyer et al) for the maximum amount of picks possible where we employ a concerted drafting strategy that focuses on footballing ability and 'safe' picks instead of 'potential' opposed to trading picks for flankers that have failed to move into midfields better than ours with development pathways in place far better than ours.

Flankers do not address our needs. 3 more Nathan Foleys address our needs. 3 More Will Thursfields Address our needs. 3 More genuine ruck types address our needs.

 

[RichosGuns]

It's because Terry Wallace has some deep issues regarding his hatred for tall KPP

 

[richcogs]

Mate I understand completely where your coming from! Same old mistakes! We should not give up a top 20 pick full stop. Didn't Wallace say that NO top 20 pick would be traded in his time at the RFC???

I reckon go for Morton, he'll be a quality mid, but only for a late second rounder. I'd like Port to trade us their 2nd for Schultz and in turn we trade that to West Coast for Morton!

If only we had taken Mitch Clarke before JON, I'll never understand that pick, we NEEDED a great young KPP and we passed up our chance.

 

[RichosGuns]

Plus, through all this trade talk - we have not been linked to one single Key Position Player, other then ruckman

 

[Sixtyseven]

Why oh why can we all see the same mistakes being constantly made, yet management continue to make them.

Why the same mistakes? In one word....."Miller"!

 

[Rayzorwire]

Last time I checked I thought we were full up on players who failed to fulfill their potential to move into the midfield and stagnated on a flank (Pettifer, Raines, Newman (pre injury) going all the way back to guys like Poyas and Fiora). What makes us so incapable of forcing these types into the middle and forcing them to become damaging pinch hit midfielders (see Alan Didak)?

Not wanting to get beaten badly week in week out?

 

[tigertiger]

you lot are pretty harsh on miller last year everyone carried on like the world had collapsed when we traded 8 for Polak, this was a great move for us he finfished 5th in our best and fairest

Everyones been talking how weak the draft is so if he trades pick 19 for Morton and he turns out to be a 200 game player for us we have won. How many picks between 10 and 20 for every club have never become anything?

 

[mavric]

you lot are pretty harsh on miller last year everyone carried on like the world had collapsed when we traded 8 for Polak, this was a great move for us he finfished 5th in our best and fairest

Everyones been talking how weak the draft is so if he trades pick 19 for Morton and he turns out to be a 200 game player for us we have won. How many picks between 10 and 20 for every club have never become anything?

Cant rate Polak as a great move. We moved from pick 8 to pick 13 - only if Jack turns out to be close to Reid over their careers will that be considered a good move and I doubt he will do that.

What has Polak offered except a strong set of hands. He cant play KP back or forward, just a loose man in defense role alah Jason Cloke.

Miller is a turkey at trade time, everyone loves dealing with him because he gives more than he gets 9 times out of 10.

 

[tigertiger]

Cant rate Polak as a great move. We moved from pick 8 to pick 13 - only if Jack turns out to be close to Reid over their careers will that be considered a good move and I doubt he will do that.

What has Polak offered except a strong set of hands. He cant play KP back or forward, just a loose man in defense role alah Jason Cloke.

Miller is a turkey at trade time, everyone loves dealing with him because he gives more than he gets 9 times out of 10.

Who is Reid he has played 3 games so far lets talk again in 5 years

 

[richoatthedisco]

Why oh why can we all see the same mistakes being constantly made, yet management continue to make them (or am I the only one seeing this?). I've had a particularly bad night and am not exactly the most positive guy going around anyways so excuse my self indulgence in this post.

By all measures we are trading for flankers and pockets (Hooper, McMahon, Morton). Last time I checked I thought we were full up on players who failed to fulfill their potential to move into the midfield and stagnated on a flank (Pettifer, Raines, Newman (pre injury) going all the way back to guys like Poyas and Fiora). What makes us so incapable of forcing these types into the middle and forcing them to become damaging pinch hit midfielders (see Alan Didak)? Furthermore why are we so intent on continuing a draft strategy that sees us only pick up genuine midfielders in the latter rounds and focus on athletic flankers in the former. Is it too hard in these days of athlete v footballer to simply employ the West Coast draft policy and pick up genuine junior ball winers with size about them and take the athletes at latter picks?

Maybe this nasty hangover is toying with me but with whats being reported I can't help but feel a little disillusioned that we're not trying to trade away the deadwood (Schultz, Meyer et al) for the maximum amount of picks possible where we employ a concerted drafting strategy that focuses on footballing ability and 'safe' picks instead of 'potential' opposed to trading picks for flankers that have failed to move into midfields better than ours with development pathways in place far better than ours.

Flankers do not address our needs. 3 more Nathan Foleys address our needs. 3 More Will Thursfields Address our needs. 3 More genuine ruck types address our needs.

EXACTLY!

 

[SnakeMan86]

Why the truck are we chasing rhan-no-name-hooper. We have experimented too many times for small forward pockets that are no more than flash in the pan players. Jeez i hope we dont give up anything for him to just play in the magoos all year.

 

[ata40]

Modern footbal requires about 12 players rotating through the midfield.

How this is made up - whether inside, outside or run-with types is then the secondary issue.

We are more difficient here than in the talls department.

 

[CoggaRules]

Why oh why can we all see the same mistakes being constantly made, yet management continue to make them (or am I the only one seeing this?). I've had a particularly bad night and am not exactly the most positive guy going around anyways so excuse my self indulgence in this post.

By all measures we are trading for flankers and pockets (Hooper, McMahon, Morton). Last time I checked I thought we were full up on players who failed to fulfill their potential to move into the midfield and stagnated on a flank (Pettifer, Raines, Newman (pre injury) going all the way back to guys like Poyas and Fiora). What makes us so incapable of forcing these types into the middle and forcing them to become damaging pinch hit midfielders (see Alan Didak)? Furthermore why are we so intent on continuing a draft strategy that sees us only pick up genuine midfielders in the latter rounds and focus on athletic flankers in the former. Is it too hard in these days of athlete v footballer to simply employ the West Coast draft policy and pick up genuine junior ball winers with size about them and take the athletes at latter picks?

Maybe this nasty hangover is toying with me but with whats being reported I can't help but feel a little disillusioned that we're not trying to trade away the deadwood (Schultz, Meyer et al) for the maximum amount of picks possible where we employ a concerted drafting strategy that focuses on footballing ability and 'safe' picks instead of 'potential' opposed to trading picks for flankers that have failed to move into midfields better than ours with development pathways in place far better than ours.

Flankers do not address our needs. 3 more Nathan Foleys address our needs. 3 More Will Thursfields Address our needs. 3 More genuine ruck types address our needs.

take a wild guess dude...here is a hint...the word unskilled is part of the answer...another word, deluded, is what many here are when they ask the same question as you.

 

[richcogs]

Who is Reid he has played 3 games so far lets talk again in 5 years

Reid looks more of a KPP than Riewoldt I must say that.

 

[Simche]

take a wild guess dude...here is a hint...the word unskilled is part of the answer...another word, deluded, is what many here are when they ask the same question as you.

You have a point but I'll use Pettifer as perhaps the best example. Drafted at 8 and as a junior was a skilled flanker who took turns on the ball. I for one can't remember a single minute of football where Pettifer has started in the center. Personally I blame poor coaching, not in the short term but over the last 15 years. We've never really crucified the blokes that have bucketloads of talent in the RIGHT ways instead wrapped them in cotton wool. Bowden whilst still young should've been actively FORCED to get fit enough to play in the middle (remember a game against the Kangas in 01 where he tore them apart from the center) yet we were content to let him develop into a lazy flanker who's talent I feel has been wasted.

By crucified I'm not advocating throwing an 18 year old onto the ball for an entire game the year we draft him. I'm just a bit fed up with our inability to build that successful rotation that the top teams have and perhaps said 18 year old should at least be eased into the position with a few minutes a half and gradually build up instead of being left on a flank to develop into a player we can ill afford.

 

[jackson_rules]

You have a point but I'll use Pettifer as perhaps the best example. Drafted at 8 and as a junior was a skilled flanker who took turns on the ball. I for one can't remember a single minute of football where Pettifer has started in the center. Personally I blame poor coaching, not in the short term but over the last 15 years. We've never really crucified the blokes that have bucketloads of talent in the RIGHT ways instead wrapped them in cotton wool. Bowden whilst still young should've been actively FORCED to get fit enough to play in the middle (remember a game against the Kangas in 01 where he tore them apart from the center) yet we were content to let him develop into a lazy flanker who's talent I feel has been wasted.

By crucified I'm not advocating throwing an 18 year old onto the ball for an entire game the year we draft him. I'm just a bit fed up with our inability to build that successful rotation that the top teams have and perhaps said 18 year old should at least be eased into the position with a few minutes a half and gradually build up instead of being left on a flank to develop into a player we can ill afford.

haha just because pettifer was pick 8 means he has to be a midfielder? his role in the forward line is very important for us, and just trying him into the midfield would kill any structure we ahve up forward

 

[Rayzorwire]

You have a point but I'll use Pettifer as perhaps the best example. Drafted at 8 and as a junior was a skilled flanker who took turns on the ball. I for one can't remember a single minute of football where Pettifer has started in the center.

He spent time on the ball on numerous occasions this year Simche. It was never long, but about what you'd expect.

 

[Simche]

Pettifer's pick in the matter is irrelevant. I'm not advocating throwing him in the middle now. It's far too late for that. What I'm trying to say is that he would've had far more value to the team if he was turned into someone who can play through the midfield rotation (as he was at junior level) ontop of being a lead up flanker while resting (think guys like Brad Johnson, Alan Didak and Nathan Brown pre-injury). I think his development was handled poorly in this way just like numerous others have been and this has led to us having pathetic midfield depth.

As for killing forward line structure, last time I checked there wasn't a hell of a lot of structure going on anyway. We consistently fall down at Half Forward and have done for the better part of 10 years. The majority of our goals have come from managing to avoid the half forward line entirely and put it to the point of the square.

Also I wouldn't really count the time he spends floating up around the wing as genuinely part of the midfield but more as part of his role as a lead up flanker. I think the point I'm trying to get across is that for one reason or another there is a serious problem in actually developing the talent we already have.

 

[Tetley Tigers]

You have a point but I'll use Pettifer as perhaps the best example. Drafted at 8 and as a junior was a skilled flanker who took turns on the ball. I for one can't remember a single minute of football where Pettifer has started in the center. Personally I blame poor coaching, not in the short term but over the last 15 years. We've never really crucified the blokes that have bucketloads of talent in the RIGHT ways instead wrapped them in cotton wool. Bowden whilst still young should've been actively FORCED to get fit enough to play in the middle (remember a game against the Kangas in 01 where he tore them apart from the center) yet we were content to let him develop into a lazy flanker who's talent I feel has been wasted.

By crucified I'm not advocating throwing an 18 year old onto the ball for an entire game the year we draft him. I'm just a bit fed up with our inability to build that successful rotation that the top teams have and perhaps said 18 year old should at least be eased into the position with a few minutes a half and gradually build up instead of being left on a flank to develop into a player we can ill afford.

You're wrong re Pettifer and starting in the centre. Collingwood v Richmond at the G this year - remember him clearly lining up at the centre bounce.