Sando's Sacking Part 2

[Allefgib]

Lucky for Blighty. I've been wishing Jars would stop talking to us for years.



Sanderson is generally well spoken in the media and usually doesn't make excuses for himself. This is why I'm disappointed with his recent interview. He mentioned that old-fashioned, tough as nails coaches have gone by the way side and you need to be able to communicate more with your players, rather than just barking orders. While this is probably true, I don't like the implication that our players aren't tough enough to handle his coaching style. I also think it's laughable he would even consider himself a tough coach. Nothing I saw in his three years at the club suggested this to be true.

If our boys can't handle being barked out... we'll find out soon enough.

 

[mattymac]

Sanderson is generally well spoken in the media and usually doesn't make excuses for himself. This is why I'm disappointed with his recent interview. He mentioned that old-fashioned, tough as nails coaches have gone by the way side and you need to be able to communicate more with your players, rather than just barking orders. While this is probably true, I don't like the implication that our players aren't tough enough to handle his coaching style. I also think it's laughable he would even consider himself a tough coach. Nothing I saw in his three years at the club suggested this to be true.

The trouble is even though he may have thought he was an old school, tough as nails sergeant major style of coach, he wasn't. He had wish-wash written all over him. Mates one minute, hard arse the next is faking and of course the players pick up on that. A hard arse coach with an idea about leadership will never give a 20 something a reason to think they're mates. Fatherly concern perhaps but mates never.

 

[King Elvis]

If our boys can't handle being barked out... we'll find out soon enough.

Yea, if that's the issue, then we've really stuffed up by getting Walsh.

 

[skoobydoo]

Lucky for Blighty. I've been wishing Jars would stop talking to us for years.



Sanderson is generally well spoken in the media and usually doesn't make excuses for himself. This is why I'm disappointed with his recent interview. He mentioned that old-fashioned, tough as nails coaches have gone by the way side and you need to be able to communicate more with your players, rather than just barking orders. While this is probably true, I don't like the implication that our players aren't tough enough to handle his coaching style. I also think it's laughable he would even consider himself a tough coach. Nothing I saw in his three years at the club suggested this to be true.

Yep. Seems strange to me that with all of Sando's experience he was found to be 'not on the pace' with connecting and developing respect and belief with the players. But maybe he is just floating an excuse for his lack there by saying his experience and style in coaching is just to tell the players what to do. Mine tinkit he has just learned a lot about himself and communication and all it entails. The ability to lead men is probably the greatest skill of all.

 

[jenny61_99]

Blighty got the results and premierships but Cornes did the best job.

He took 56 unknown players in 1990 and moulded them into a cohesive unit who should have played in a grand final 3 years latter.

Cornes set the playing culture up in the early days and did the best job so far.

Yeah but he turned into a plonker.

 

[Bay62]

If Sando actually only realised after he was sacked that "you have to talk to the players, you can't just tell them what to do" then he deserved to be sacked

This is on par with his "I couldn't put anyone else on Zeibell because they weren't in the team"

Fmd

 

[MRB37]

If our boys can't handle being barked out... we'll find out soon enough.

I don't think it was they couldn't handle being barked at, but wanted some sort of consistency to the approach. One minute he's acting like their best friend, then he's going nuts at them, ripping in to them, then acting like nothing happened at back to acting like BFF's.

Walsh will at least set the boundaries better as a coach, I think.

 

[spexau]

I don't think it was they couldn't handle being barked at, but wanted some sort of consistency to the approach. One minute he's acting like their best friend, then he's going nuts at them, ripping in to them, then acting like nothing happened at back to acting like BFF's.

Walsh will at least set the boundaries better as a coach, I think.

Yeah I think with Walsh they will know where they stand when they are being yelled at.

 

[TooFar]

Yeah but he turned into a plonker.

He has always been the same guy, you just became more aware of him.

 

[jenny61_99]

He has always been the same guy, you just became more aware of him.

Nah, he turned into a plonker. Seriously twisted SOB. Almost see him as two completely different personalities.

 

[Allefgib]

Nah, he turned into a plonker. Seriously twisted SOB. Almost see him as two completely different personalities.

what is a plonker sorry? I assume not a drinker given he's a professed teetotaler?

 

[jenny61_99]

what is a plonker sorry? I assume not a drinker given he's a professed teetotaler?

I just assumed it was a swear filter. You know like campaigner for campaigner.

Edit: PLONK - person with little or no knowledge.

 

[Allefgib]

oh you called him a ****er?

 

[Allefgib]

oh you called him a goose?

geese not. w***er maybe?

 

[jenny61_99]

geese not. ****** maybe?

No Plonker. It's ok, I was being facetious about the campaigner filter.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Yeah but he turned into a plonker.

A what?

 

[Carmo]

There's special "rules" as to who can yell at who and what will happen.

The yeller has to have the yellee's respect before they can yell at them. If they do not have "enough" respect before they yell, then the relationship will deteriorate. Somewhat suprisingly, once there is enough respect, yelling (demanding high/er standards) will strengthen the respect further and not yelling actually will slightly decrease the respect level. This is universal, has been the same with the previous generations and is still perfectly valid with the modern generation.

How much is enough? Depends. Various from relationship to relationship.

How do you get respect? Long story. Too much for here.

You can already see though, Phil Walsh is the sort of person who demands respect. I can't wait to see what that guy will do with our team. I enjoyed it the other day when I heard he asked for a double up in the 2k-er. I bet our players were both hating it AND loving it

 

[Scrotes2000]

He mentioned that old-fashioned, tough as nails coaches have gone by the way side and you need to be able to communicate more with your players, rather than just barking orders. While this is probably true, I don't like the implication that our players aren't tough enough to handle his coaching style. I also think it's laughable he would even consider himself a tough coach. Nothing I saw in his three years at the club suggested this to be true.

I don't think he was suggesting he was a tough as nails coach, just at how different things are now compared to when he played. Didn't get the implication about our players not being tough either. Being able to communicate and work effectively with the younger players is huge now, for all teams - more so than in the past apparently.

If Sando actually only realised after he was sacked that "you have to talk to the players, you can't just tell them what to do" then he deserved to be sacked

More complex than that probably - I think he's done a fair bit of study around sports and coaching so would have done more than just tell them what to do.

I think in the end he wasn't a bad coach, he just wasn't good enough to get us where we wanted to be. Isn't suited to being a head coach at AFL level, just a shame it took us this long to figure out.

 

[Elite Crow]

Did anyone hear Malthouse on 5AA? Can't remember it word for word, went something along the lines that Sandos sacking was the biggest shock but said something vague like maybe there was more to it than was mentioned at the initial announcement.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Two years in a row we missed the finals... (pause), by one game. Vintage Sando. He had no idea where the club was at.