Second Half Fadeouts : The stats

[IDGAF]

After another inglorious , and final , second half cave in , it got me to thinking just how bad have we been since round 8 in the second halves in particular........so here it is

rnd 9 Vs Port - HT 56 pts Down - final margin - 78 pts result - 22 pts
" 10 Vs WCE - HT level - " - 37 pts " - 37 pts
" 11 Vs KANG- HT 1 pt lead - " - 74 pts " - 75 pts
" 12 Vs Freo - HT 22 pt lead - " - 10 pts " - 32pts
" 13 Vs Carl - HT 46 pts down - " - 31 pts " + 15pts
" 14 Vs Bris - HT 27 pts down - " - 18 pts " + 9 pts
" 15 Vs Ess - HT 4 pt lead - " - 78 pts " - 82 pts
" 16 Vs STK - HT 38 down - " - 42 pts " - 4 pts
" 17 Vs Melb - HT 38 down - " - 56 pts " - 28 pts
" 18 Vs Coll -HT 1 pt lead - " - 5 pts " - 6 pts
" 19 Vs Geel - HT 19 pts down - " - 31 pts " - 12 pts
" 20 Vs Ade - HT 6 pts down - " - 52 pts " - 46 pts
" 21 Vs Haw - HT 13 pts down - " - 23 pts " - 10 pts
" 22 Vs Syd - HT 12 pts down - " - 64pts " - 52 pts

Dosen`t read well does it .

We won 2 out of 14 second halves and lost the other 12 by an average margin of 33 points

We`ve got rid of the major culprit in all this but how much of the blame lays with the players ? Were they fit ? Is the bulk of our list mentally weak ?

Be interested in other peoples thoughts

 

[Darth_Tiger]

i think its a confidence thing. i feel that the players, although outwardly still having support for the coach, and even thinking that they did, i reckon they just lost all confidence in him, his tactics, any moves he made. i also think the players lost confidence in themselves, so when the opposition got on top, they would just cave in. hopefully TW can turn it around, and instill some confidence back in them, and some mental toughness.

 

[Dean3]

You can get stats to say anything.

I think you'll find that our final quarters have outscored our second quarters. I reckon we've had more 2nd/3rd quarter fade-outs than second half fade-outs.

 

[Leper]

As they said in Trainspotting...

It's shyte being Richmond (Scottish).
We're the lowest of the low.
Some people hate Brisbane (Essendon if you like).
I don't.
Brisbane (Essendon) are just ********ers.
We on the other hand are colonised by ********ers.
And all the fresh air (and a decent coach) isn't going to change that.

Pick any stats you like and they'll tell you Richmond are shytefull.

Watch this space next year - am sure this board will be full of abuse of TW after another crap year (but hope I'm wrong).

Errrgghhhheaaaawwww.

 

[Crumden]

It's pretty common for teams with poor lists to match it with better teams for two or three quarters, but get blown away in the other 1 or 2 quarters. It has happened to us in the past when we were around the bottom. Basically, most teams have a dozen or so players good enough to match it for a while, but to be competitive over a whole game you need pretty much the whole team contributing. If your list is suss, you get blown away when the last 5 or 10 players in the team need to step up. What all this means is that its going to take more than a change of coach to bring us up to speed.

 

[Bojangles17]

After another inglorious , and final , second half cave in , it got me to thinking just how bad have we been since round 8 in the second halves in particular........so here it is

rnd 9 Vs Port - HT 56 pts Down - final margin - 78 pts result - 22 pts
" 10 Vs WCE - HT level - " - 37 pts " - 37 pts
" 11 Vs KANG- HT 1 pt lead - " - 74 pts " - 75 pts
" 12 Vs Freo - HT 22 pt lead - " - 10 pts " - 32pts
" 13 Vs Carl - HT 46 pts down - " - 31 pts " + 15pts
" 14 Vs Bris - HT 27 pts down - " - 18 pts " + 9 pts
" 15 Vs Ess - HT 4 pt lead - " - 78 pts " - 82 pts
" 16 Vs STK - HT 38 down - " - 42 pts " - 4 pts
" 17 Vs Melb - HT 38 down - " - 56 pts " - 28 pts
" 18 Vs Coll -HT 1 pt lead - " - 5 pts " - 6 pts
" 19 Vs Geel - HT 19 pts down - " - 31 pts " - 12 pts
" 20 Vs Ade - HT 6 pts down - " - 52 pts " - 46 pts
" 21 Vs Haw - HT 13 pts down - " - 23 pts " - 10 pts
" 22 Vs Syd - HT 12 pts down - " - 64pts " - 52 pts

Dosen`t read well does it .

We won 2 out of 14 second halves and lost the other 12 by an average margin of 33 points

We`ve got rid of the major culprit in all this but how much of the blame lays with the players ? Were they fit ? Is the bulk of our list mentally weak ?

Be interested in other peoples thoughts

My theory is at half time whilst Frawley goes around the rooms backslaping and blowing wind up clackers the opposition are hard at work on how to bring us undone. wham bam thank you mam once the real stuff starts the peanut gallery look like the mayor of hiroshima...what the Fruck was that as we're cornholed one more time

 

[IDGAF]

My theory is at half time whilst Frawley goes around the rooms backslaping and blowing wind up clackers the opposition are hard at work on how to bring us undone. wham bam thank you mam once the real stuff starts the peanut gallery look like the mayor of hiroshima...what the Fruck was that as we're cornholed one more time

Yeah ............ Nah .........there were some real positives in the first half , thats what we have to draw on . just a couple of skill errors let us down . Our senior players have got to step up to the plate . We`re close to playing some good footy .

Please ......... please ...... don`t get rid of me . ...... We`re cherry ripe ..............aw fellas ............... come on .................... stick fat ........please ( knock , knock , knock ) ........... if you don`t let me keep coaching Anita is going to bash you up ............. fellas ???????????

 

[IDGAF]

After another inglorious , and final , second half cave in , it got me to thinking just how bad have we been since round 8 in the second halves in particular........so here it is

rnd 9 Vs Port - HT 56 pts Down - final margin - 78 pts result - 22 pts
" 10 Vs WCE - HT level - " - 37 pts " - 37 pts
" 11 Vs KANG- HT 1 pt lead - " - 74 pts " - 75 pts
" 12 Vs Freo - HT 22 pt lead - " - 10 pts " - 32pts
" 13 Vs Carl - HT 46 pts down - " - 31 pts " + 15pts
" 14 Vs Bris - HT 27 pts down - " - 18 pts " + 9 pts
" 15 Vs Ess - HT 4 pt lead - " - 78 pts " - 82 pts
" 16 Vs STK - HT 38 down - " - 42 pts " - 4 pts
" 17 Vs Melb - HT 38 down - " - 56 pts " - 28 pts
" 18 Vs Coll -HT 1 pt lead - " - 5 pts " - 6 pts
" 19 Vs Geel - HT 19 pts down - " - 31 pts " - 12 pts
" 20 Vs Ade - HT 6 pts down - " - 52 pts " - 46 pts
" 21 Vs Haw - HT 13 pts down - " - 23 pts " - 10 pts
" 22 Vs Syd - HT 12 pts down - " - 64pts " - 52 pts

Dosen`t read well does it .

We won 2 out of 14 second halves and lost the other 12 by an average margin of 33 points

We`ve got rid of the major culprit in all this but how much of the blame lays with the players ? Were they fit ? Is the bulk of our list mentally weak ?

Be interested in other peoples thoughts

With all the talk from Wallace about the lack of fitness and the apparent lack of work that has been done in the gym ...... i thought i would drag up a thread i started in August last year .

Questions answered i reckon

 

[Darth_Tiger]

i think its a confidence thing. i feel that the players, although outwardly still having support for the coach, and even thinking that they did, i reckon they just lost all confidence in him, his tactics, any moves he made. i also think the players lost confidence in themselves, so when the opposition got on top, they would just cave in. hopefully TW can turn it around, and instill some confidence back in them, and some mental toughness.

i would officially like to retract this statement, in the light of what has been said recently about the players fitness and conditioning, it is no wonder they faded out in second halves! i still think confidence played a part, but obviously they just didnt have the fitness base to run out games.

 

[no.11]

Definately a fitness/confidence thing. I believe the pre season b4 last season was spent mainly in the weights room trying to bulk up. It seemed as though there were a lot of players that just couldn't keep up after about 10 mins into the third qtr..... Hopefully we are a lot fitter this year.

 

[Infamy]

9 PTA 1st -56 2nd -22
10 WCE 1st +-0 2nd -37
11 KAN 1st +1 2nd -75
12 FRE 1st +22 2nd -32
13 CAR 1st -46 2nd +15
14 BRI 1st -27 2nd +9
15 ESS 1st +4 2nd -82
16 STK 1st -38 2nd -4
17 MEL 1st -38 2nd -28
18 COL 1st +1 2nd -6
19 GEE 1st -19 2nd -12
20 ADE 1st -6 2nd -46
21 HAW 1st -13 2nd -10
22 SYD 1st -12 2nd -52

Personally I'd consider a fade out to be one where you are outscored by more than you were in the 1st half, not just losing the 2nd half. For example, against Geelong in Round 19 we were down by 19 at half time and lost another 12 by the end of the game. That's not really a fade out as we actually performed better in the 2nd half despite the margin growing.

From the stats above, we had 2nd half fade outs in rounds 10, 11, 12, 15, 18, 20 & 22. Using this logic we had first half fade outs in rounds 9, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19 & 21. That's split exactly 7 & 7, although rounds 18, 19 & 21 I wouldn't consider fade outs at any stage, they were fairly consistent.

Again, stats don't really tell everything, for all our first half fade outs the opposition usually coasted after half time allowing us to make our results a bit more flattering.

What does all this tell us? Exactly what we always knew, we could never run out 4 full quarters of football, but it didn't really matter which quarters.

 

[IDGAF]

Personally I'd consider a fade out to be one where you are outscored by more than you were in the 1st half, not just losing the 2nd half. For example, against Geelong in Round 19 we were down by 19 at half time and lost another 12 by the end of the game. That's not really a fade out as we actually performed better in the 2nd half despite the margin growing.

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Infamy , we lost the first halves of rounds 9 - 22 by an average of 16 .2 points ..... the secong halves were lost by an average of 33 points which shows that we were twice as bad in the second half as we were in the first ... they are the stats , the point being we were not fit enough to run out full games . Which has been clearly bourne out in Wallaces criticisms and comments

 

[cairo tiger]

confidence my ass. it is committment and coaching. watch for improvement this year from a more committed richmond and a more well coached one

 

[Disco_Stu]

Behind closed doors I'm hoping for the Wallace we saw on "Year of the Dogs"....

"If I see any of you blokes going out there and getting a pat on the back for a good effort I'll Spew."

That's what we need. No more honorable losses - as Al Davis says: Just Win, Baby.

'Stu

 

[Tiger666]

Well given the changes that have occurred in the club over the last 5-6 months, you would assume that these changes will be reflected on the field. I'm sure Terry Wallace has analysed all the available statistics, and surely the second half fadeout will be something he addresses.
I would hope so, anyway...

 

[Leper]

Infamy , we lost the first halves of rounds 9 - 22 by an average of 16 .2 points ..... the secong halves were lost by an average of 33 points which shows that we were twice as bad in the second half as we were in the first ... they are the stats , the point being we were not fit enough to run out full games . Which has been clearly bourne out in Wallaces criticisms and comments

It just dawned on me... Richmond were shyte in 2004.

On on,

Gaddafi.

 

[duckboy]

I think history shows that players new to AFL tend to struggle with the demands of the game as the year goes on. The new blokes will no doubt have an influence early but might fade out themselves in the second half of the year. I understand it takes time for a young guy to get the conditioning to be able to play week in and week out for an entire season.
Having said that, it seems that the preseason the boys have undergone will see the senior blokes as fit as they've ever been.