Setanta Crucifixtion

[pumped]

I am noticing heaps of people on this board writing Setanta off. Comments like sending him back to hurling ect. Only a couple of months ago people seemed to have him on a pedestal. I see him as a confidence player and there is no doubt his confidence is way down. A spell in the 2's may be best at present but to my mind he is a far better long term bet than Wiggo or Fisher or anyone else not presently playing.

I believe that Setanta is one Carlton player who really has the passion needed at this level. Further that he has xfactor skills that could see him become a very good forward for us for 3-5 years. However unless he is in a good environment his confidence drops and does take away much of his upside.

The way I see it Carlton has a good list and on the surface should be a far more consistent side. However the side seems to lack composure and stability. I also suspect that this is a deep reaching problem and has not been fixed by Fev not being around. On field it crucifies our forwards and especially bigger ones like Setanta. The delivery is atrocious much of the time and our structures terrible.

If the ball was delivered quickly to Setanta and to his advantage side then I believe he would more often than not square or win one on one contests. However of late players upfield are hesitating far too much and by the time they deliver Setanta has lost his advantage. Further many times the kicks coming in are not even giving him equal chance as they are often kicked to the advantage side of the defender.

We have the makings of a good side and mostly we have the players on the list to cover all areas of the ground. Where we are badly lacking is in discipline, composure and confidence. Making wholesale changes or flicking players with ability like Setanta may give us short term benefits but will just continue a cycle at Carlton that has been negative for far too long.

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

Setanta's main problem is he isn't a #1 forward, but with Waite out, he was put in that role. While Lake has certainly made better players than Setanta look bad, the Collingwood game was the last time he has played well as the main focal point.

Definitely think he can play a role for Carlton in the future - whether it's as Hendo's #2 in the next couple of years, or as a backup ruckman for the rest of this year, I don't know - but at the moment, he barely looks like he can break out of a jog.

 

[blueboy25]

I agree with you about people slagging him off, the guy seems to be very low on confidence and is not helped by the way we are delivering the ball into the forward line.

In losing his confidence he has also lost his passion which is one of his main attributes.

We need him to have a spell in the twos kick a few goals and get back in the seniors for the last 2-3 games of the season.

 

[JuddFevGoal]

I'm sorry but Setanta in my opinion, hasn't performed well this year.

At best he's been servicable.

His reasonably high goal tally has mostly been the result of the amount of time he's done in the forward line and the recipient of more than a few cheap handpasses etc in front of goal.

He's never looked like an effective forward on the lead, rarely ever wins a marking competition and is an extremely unreliable kick on a set shot.

He has wonderful passion (although it honestly looks like his faith is shaken this year) and tries hard, but his skills are just not naturally there. He relies on the odd awkward moment of brilliance to get him over the line.

They too, have been few and far between.

Even when posters here had him on that pedestal, I was far from convinced.

I'm sorry to say all this. I love the idea of Setanta and I love the mongrel, but it's just not working - certainly not in the forward line anyway.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Has had plenty of quite serious injury problems which are contributing to his epic form slump. Take away Setanta's athleticism and his ability to stay in contests and you aren't left with too much...

Carlos was an absolutely integral part of our successes early in the season and I think an extended spell on the sidelines (ie not in the Bullants) will do him the world of good. Get his body right and we've got a good player who can, and will again, impact games at AFL level.

 

[Stamos]

Has had plenty of quite serious injury problems which are contributing to his epic form slump. Take away Setanta's athleticism and his ability to stay in contests and you aren't left with too much...

Carlos was an absolutely integral part of our successes early in the season and I think an extended spell on the sidelines (ie not in the Bullants) will do him the world of good. Get his body right and we've got a good player who can, and will again, impact games at AFL level.

This. Setanta has been great for us this year, until the last 5 or so weeks when he has been injured. He shouldn't be playing at the moment. Give him some rest, get him right and he will be an important player when he comes back in.

 

[Bluebear]

In judging anything you need to have a clear idea of what your expectation is going in.

What is your expectation of a guy who has played 5 years of AFL footy, less than 10 games as a forward, hasn't grasped to ability to consistently mark, and doesn't really know when and where to lead (relates to the less than 10 games bit).

How many goals should he kick?

Well, after 10 games he had kicked as many as a 28 year old, career full forward playing as a third tall to one of the best midfields in the competition.

Yes, both Setanta and Podsiadly were on about the same number of goals a few weeks back. Setanta getting the best defender, J Pod getting the third.......Setanta in his 15th game as a forward......J Pod in his 400th or so..........

So which is making a better fist of playing as a FF in the AFL given their history?

Setanta has learnt for 5 years how to defend and follow a man. Much harder to make the play yourself, and hence, his own goal tally is down. How many goals has he created for the smalls though?

Has improved beyond belief in the last 12 months, and there is no reason to think that with more experience and another pre-season he won't get better.

Having said that, I think he looks tired or injured. Seems to have lost a little of that real mongrel that he had in the first 8-9 weeks.

Depending on availabilities this week (re Hendo) I'd be tempted to give Setanta a spell in the two's for a couple and let him learn the role in a less intense environment, or if he is injured then rest him a couple and freshen him up.

 

[gbatman]

setanta is playing in a team who plays with a poor structure that doesn't support it's forwards at all. Plus he looks to be struggling with his running for some reason.

 

[Sublime]

In judging anything you need to have a clear idea of what your expectation is going in.

What is your expectation of a guy who has played 5 years of AFL footy, less than 10 games as a forward, hasn't grasped to ability to consistently mark, and doesn't really know when and where to lead (relates to the less than 10 games bit).

How many goals should he kick?

Well, after 10 games he had kicked as many as a 28 year old, career full forward playing as a third tall to one of the best midfields in the competition.

Yes, both Setanta and Podsiadly were on about the same number of goals a few weeks back. Setanta getting the best defender, J Pod getting the third.......Setanta in his 15th game as a forward......J Pod in his 400th or so..........

So which is making a better fist of playing as a FF in the AFL given their history?

Setanta has learnt for 5 years how to defend and follow a man. Much harder to make the play yourself, and hence, his own goal tally is down. How many goals has he created for the smalls though?

Has improved beyond belief in the last 12 months, and there is no reason to think that with more experience and another pre-season he won't get better.

Having said that, I think he looks tired or injured. Seems to have lost a little of that real mongrel that he had in the first 8-9 weeks.

Depending on availabilities this week (re Hendo) I'd be tempted to give Setanta a spell in the two's for a couple and let him learn the role in a less intense environment, or if he is injured then rest him a couple and freshen him up.

The problem i see with this is that Setanta is what, 27 and still learning to play the game. By the time he's 30-31 he'll have maybe worked out all he needs to. By then he will have lost most of his greatest asset (his agility), and will be well and truly on the decline.

As much as i love the guy, i struggle to see where his real value is, considering the limits to his game at the moment. Yes he's done some nice things this year, but that has been balanced out by some effectively non existent performances as well.

 

[The Big Sticks]

Setanta just looks absolutely exhausted at the moment and can't put in as much effort as we know he can. Should be given a rest and we have other forwards who are fitter at the moment

 

[jessCFC]

I think he needs to go find some form.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

he wasn't helped by any of our mid's on the w/e.

 

[blueblood25]

The only excuse for his insanely poor form over the last month has to be injury. Anything bar that is inexcusable. I can't remember the last time I saw him go for a contested mark with both hands and not punch it away. Basic things like that warrant an immediate spell in the VFL. It would be an insult to Wiggins and Fisher who are working their butts off to let him continue wasting a spot in the forward line.

I love Setanta, but I can't stand what I've been seeing lately.

 

[Blues_FC]

Blah, blah, blah...

He has no skills, no brains and no instinct. He's not a natural footballer and never will be. His most notable moment for Carlton was when he kicked Cameron Cloke in the balls.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I seriously doubt that this guy will ever have any significant impact for Carlton.

 

[Alpha1]

Irish is injured, MC made a big mistake in playing him.

 

[Big Red is back]

I am noticing heaps of people on this board writing Setanta off. Comments like sending him back to hurling ect. Only a couple of months ago people seemed to have him on a pedestal. I see him as a confidence player and there is no doubt his confidence is way down. A spell in the 2's may be best at present but to my mind he is a far better long term bet than Wiggo or Fisher or anyone else not presently playing.

I believe that Setanta is one Carlton player who really has the passion needed at this level. Further that he has xfactor skills that could see him become a very good forward for us for 3-5 years. However unless he is in a good environment his confidence drops and does take away much of his upside.

The way I see it Carlton has a good list and on the surface should be a far more consistent side. However the side seems to lack composure and stability. I also suspect that this is a deep reaching problem and has not been fixed by Fev not being around. On field it crucifies our forwards and especially bigger ones like Setanta. The delivery is atrocious much of the time and our structures terrible.

If the ball was delivered quickly to Setanta and to his advantage side then I believe he would more often than not square or win one on one contests. However of late players upfield are hesitating far too much and by the time they deliver Setanta has lost his advantage. Further many times the kicks coming in are not even giving him equal chance as they are often kicked to the advantage side of the defender.

We have the makings of a good side and mostly we have the players on the list to cover all areas of the ground. Where we are badly lacking is in discipline, composure and confidence. Making wholesale changes or flicking players with ability like Setanta may give us short term benefits but will just continue a cycle at Carlton that has been negative for far too long.

Look despite the fact he hasn't had a kick for 6 weeks and his man had 30 touches at full back it is unbelievable people can question his position in the team.

How dare they

 

[Sound]

Is not our answer at FF.

Early on in the season the delivery into the forward like was pristine and there was plenty of it. It would be hard for any FF not to kick goals.
Honestly, if you took at decent FF from the EFL div 1 and placed him at FF, he would have kicked goals early on in the season just like Setant did.

Now that the ball has dried up and the disposal efficiency has dropped, Setant has had absolutely no impact in our games at all. Negative impact if you will.

He cannot take a contested mark.
Has no idea where to position himself, or where to lead to.
Constantly makes horrific decisions.
Skills are well below par for an AFL footballer.
Crumbles under pressure like Leon Davis does in big games.

Not an AFL footballer.

I shutter at the thought of Setanta playing in a final.
In fact, the match committee actually selected Cam Cloke ahead of Setant in the final against Brisbane last year.
Shows how much faith the MC had in Setant holding his own in a final.

He has a go, always gives 100% and is probably more dedicated to his football than most AFL footballers, but he is not up to the standard of the AFL…...simple.

 

[le dominateur]

Is not our answer at FF.

Early on in the season the delivery into the forward like was pristine and there was plenty of it. It would be hard for any FF not to kick goals.
Honestly, if you took at decent FF from the EFL div 1 and placed him at FF, he would have kicked goals early on in the season just like Setant did.

Now that the ball has dried up and the disposal efficiency has dropped, Setant has had absolutely no impact in our games at all. Negative impact if you will.

He cannot take a contested mark.
Has no idea where to position himself, or where to lead to.
Constantly makes horrific decisions.
Skills are well below par for an AFL footballer.
Crumbles under pressure like Leon Davis does in big games.

Not an AFL footballer.

I shutter at the thought of Setanta playing in a final.
In fact, the match committee actually selected Cam Cloke ahead of Setant in the final against Brisbane last year.
Shows how much faith the MC had in Setant holding his own in a final.

He has a go, always gives 100% and is probably more dedicated to his football than most AFL footballers, but he is not up to the standard of the AFL…...simple.

Sums it up for me. If he has been carrying an injury for the last 4-5 games then the MC have done Sentanta and the team no favours in playing him.

 

[Big Red is back]

Sums it up for me. If he has been carrying an injury for the last 4-5 games then the MC have done Sentanta and the team no favours in playing him.

In his defence he isn't moving very well I suspect he is having leg issues.

Eitherway it's time for a rest or the two's.

Otherwise I am making a comeback as I am positive I could get more than 4 possessions playing 90% game time as a roaming fwd.

 

[Blue Dawn]

The only excuse for his insanely poor form over the last month has to be injury. Anything bar that is inexcusable. I can't remember the last time I saw him go for a contested mark with both hands and not punch it away. Basic things like that warrant an immediate spell in the VFL. It would be an insult to Wiggins and Fisher who are working their butts off to let him continue wasting a spot in the forward line.

I love Setanta, but I can't stand what I've been seeing lately.

Agree with everything you've said here - just saved me a extra minute or two.

 

[Stamos]

If he has been carrying an injury for the last 4-5 games then the MC have done Sentanta and the team no favours in playing him.

He clearly has been, and should not be playing at the moment. When he's fit he'll be back to the valuable player he was for the first 10 rounds.