Shocking trades

[thehardaway]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I am interested to see in some absolute shockers in the NBA.

Robert Traylor traded by the Mavericks to the Milwaukee Bucks for the draft rights to center Dirk Nowitzki and forward Pat Garrity on 6/24/98. ( Was a risk that paid handsomely for Dallas, and Garrity in turn was involved in the deal that brought Nash to Dallas)

Elton Brand traded by the Bulls to the Los Angeles Clippers for Brian Skinner and the draft rights to Tyson Chandler on 6/27/01 (Brand's stats this year say enough, though Tyson may have a bit in him)

Ron Mercer, Brad Miller, Ron Artest and Kevin Ollie traded by the Bulls to the Indiana Pacers for Jalen Rose,Travis Best, Norman Richardson, and a second-round draft pick on 2/19/02 (Gave the Pacers a big foot up)

Steve Nash traded by the Suns to the Dallas Mavericks for Martin Muursepp, Bubba Wells the draft rights to Pat Garrity and a first round draft choice in 1999 on 6/25/98.

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

You are aware that the pick Pheonix got landed Shawn Marion?

The Chandler for Brand trade will in the end be a good risk for the Bulls. Brand will always be a 2nd tier star.. he doesnt have it in him to lead his team. Look at him this year, he gets his usual 20/10 and his team still sucks. And he is a bad man on man defender who is undersized. Chandler has the potential to be a superstar, and if you saw some of his flashes today vs Portland (27/18/2), youll know how great he can be.

The Robert Traylor trade was absolutely disgusting. I remember before that draft though, Tractor Traylor was red hot, and I think had a huge year in College. The funny thing is they got Garrity on top of Nowitzki (Who was an unknown and didnt he play 2nd division in Germany?)

I dont think the Bulls/Pacers trade was that bad, it was a win win. The Bulls got there identity , finally acquiring a starand a goto scorer, they got to dump Ron Mercer's contract, and losing Artest and Miller you could say was maybe a bit too much. They traded Miller to open up time for their young center, who has more upside, and Artest was a crazy guy, not a Krause sort of citizen. It also helped the Bulls tank and get a high draft pick.

 

[jod23]

I agree with CA...the Pacers, Bulls trade wasnt a shocker. More a win, win trade.

The Bulls wanted to move Miller to free up some minutes for Curry and Chandler. Mercer is nothing special and although Artest was a big loss you have to give quality to recieve quality. Now you see Indy at the top of the Central and you think the Bulls stuffed up but the Bulls are 10-19 and looking pretty good. Chandler is coming along, Curry not as much, J-Will doing his thing and Rose is thier go to guy, their bonafide star.

Definitely a win win.

 

[CURVE]

1976-77 The New Orleans Jazz trade three future picks, including thier 1979 first round pick, for aging Laker Legend Gail Goodrich. Appears like a smart move, because Goodrich still produced good number in his last few years. But Jazz finish their final season in New Orleans (1978-79) with the worst record in the league giving the Lakers the number 1 draft pick.

The Lakers pick Earvin "Magic" Johnson and the rest is History.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony

I dont think the Bulls/Pacers trade was that bad, it was a win win.

I disagree.

Jerry Krause is already shopping Jalen Rose to anyone who will listen, i'm sure he regrets the deal.

Jalen hasn't really fitted in with the media and fans in Chi town which surely must disrupt the team.

Meanwhile, I would think both Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry could do with some help from Brad Miller. Both are great talents, but neither are capable of playing good, consistent ball right now.
Chandler has been decent this year, although he does have a serious problem with attracting cheap fouls, whilst Curry has plain sucked.

And look at Indiana, as Isiah said last week, this trade has turned his franchise from an average team, into the best team in the East, whilst the Bulls are still struggling.

I know which side i'd rather be on.

 

[Booze Hound]

The Traylor one was a low key trade at the time, and a year later it was still low key. Nelson saw the potential of Dirk and let it develop into the scary player we see today.

It is early to comment on the Brand/Chandler call but a lot of teams in the League would like Brand as their starting PF!

The Nash trade always looked slightly unbalanced, and his game has improved tenfold.

I always thought the Bulls/Pacers trade last year, while being good for both teams, favoured Indiana more. It gave them a good defender (Artest), great depth at the 2 spot, added depth all around and, most importantly, allowed O'Neal to move to his natural PF spot. The Pacers are very good this year and can still put a package together for some promising trades.

There is one deal in NBA history which, for me, trumps the 'Magic' move.

In 1980 the Warriors and Celtics did a deal. Boston gave up the No.s 1 and 13 in the draft for No. 3 and Robert Parrish. G State selected Joe Barry Carroll, who made the MVP team and averaged 17ppg over 6 seasons but, I understand, had off court problems and never fulfilled his potential, and Rickey Brown (who?).

At 3 the Celtics picked up Kevin McHale.

Boston got two parts of the best frontcourt ever (Bird was drafted the year before) and the Warriors got one player who, although good, did not produce as well as either of the players they gave up, and pocket change.

 

[Booze Hound]

There's a trade rumour knocking around that makes sense if (and only if) Krause is detrermined to offload Rose.

Chicago send Jalen Rose, Marcus Fizer and Jamal Crawford to Minnesota for Wally Sczerbiak, Joe Smith and a draft pick, probab;y in 2006.

I'm sorry, but if I'm in power with the T'Wolves I jump at this.

Upside:

You get a good, experienced player in Rose who is a decent/good scorer but can also handle the ball - I think he would mesh well with KG.

You acquire a PF who is younger and better than Joe Smith.

You get a young guard who, although talented, is not in the mix at Chicago. It's a bit of a flyer but he could be a star, at least a very effective player, given the right opportunity (in the same way that Billups eventually found a good role).

You bring in three players who could all start, two probably would, and take some of the burden off your star.

Downside:

You lose a young scorer. Unfortunately, for me 'Wally World' is a one trick pony. He'll hit his jump shots, but he's not a great one for breaking down a 'D' and isn't noted as a passer or defender. He has also had run ins with teamates rather too often. I'd prefer Rose myself.

You lose Joe Smith - so what.....

You lose a draft pick down the road - if the team goes well that shouldn't be a high one.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Booze Hound
You acquire a PF who is younger and better than Joe Smith.

Who? Marcus Fizer?

Talented player and all, but a PF he ain't.

This potential trade is so unrealistic, firstly, Kev McHale just re-signed Wally for 6 years and has publicly stated how much he loves the game of the all-star that is Wally.

Why would he trade him away two months later?

And secondly, Jerry Krause is tight, he isn't going to readily take on two long term, and huge contracts.

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

P & P, firstly the Bulls are not shopping Jalen Rose. It was a stupid rumour started by Peter Vecsey, who thinks the Knicks could propably get Kobe if they offered Spoon and a 2nd rd pick.

Secondly, Marcus Fizer is 100% a Power Forward. He cant play SF to save his life, and failed miserably in that position last year when then coach Tim Floyd tried to play him. He is one of the best low post scorers in the league, he is so big.. although he is a poor but improving defender and rebounder. Fizer has the potential to become a big time scorer in the league, he must leave Chicago though, who have a wealth of developing PF talent.

The Minnessota trade doesnt work out because Wally is a BYC, and youd need to find a 3rd team like the Clippers who would be willing to take on extra salary from both teams (Clippers wouldnt pay anyone). And no way the Bulls do that trade, and it was just another stupid rumour started by a brainless reporter.

And to say Krause is tight is stupid. He did pay Jordan 35 million, and has promised his fellow Bulls fans that he and Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf will pay the luxury tax (The franchise is still one of the most profitable in the NBA).

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

Originally posted by Booze Hound
There's a trade rumour knocking around that makes sense if (and only if) Krause is detrermined to offload Rose.

Chicago send Jalen Rose, Marcus Fizer and Jamal Crawford to Minnesota for Wally Sczerbiak, Joe Smith and a draft pick, probab;y in 2006.

I'm sorry, but if I'm in power with the T'Wolves I jump at this.

Upside:

You get a good, experienced player in Rose who is a decent/good scorer but can also handle the ball - I think he would mesh well with KG.

You acquire a PF who is younger and better than Joe Smith.

You get a young guard who, although talented, is not in the mix at Chicago. It's a bit of a flyer but he could be a star, at least a very effective player, given the right opportunity (in the same way that Billups eventually found a good role).

You bring in three players who could all start, two probably would, and take some of the burden off your star.

Downside:

You lose a young scorer. Unfortunately, for me 'Wally World' is a one trick pony. He'll hit his jump shots, but he's not a great one for breaking down a 'D' and isn't noted as a passer or defender. He has also had run ins with teamates rather too often. I'd prefer Rose myself.

You lose Joe Smith - so what.....

You lose a draft pick down the road - if the team goes well that shouldn't be a high one.

The trade doesnt work through the salary cap.. so dont get your hopes up.