Should Vasil sack Nash?

[tige19]

My opinion is yes.

The only thing that has beaten Haradasun has been Nash Rawiller. On Saturday out of the gates there was no urgency from Rawiller to get Haradasun around them and to sit on the first 4, he instead went out lathargically and rode him that way proceeded to park him 3 wide and keept him like that for the entire race. Coming into the straight he was worst than 3wide and had no chance of winning, Nash killed the race.

You have to start asking questions, would one D.Oliver or D.Beadman or C.Williams or D.Beasley or C.Newitt make these mistakes?? very rarely and certanly not on Haradasun.

 

[Ginola]

My opinion is yes.

The only thing that has beaten Haradasun has been Nash Rawiller. On Saturday out of the gates there was no urgency from Rawiller to get Haradasun around them and to sit on the first 4, he instead went out lathargically and rode him that way proceeded to park him 3 wide and keept him like that for the entire race. Coming into the straight he was worst than 3wide and had no chance of winning, Nash killed the race.

You have to start asking questions, would one D.Oliver or D.Beadman or C.Williams or D.Beasley or C.Newitt make these mistakes?? very rarely and certanly not on Haradasun.

The funny thing is that on both occasions that haradasun has lost it's been to Craig Williams. Both times he's outsmarted Nash.

 

[Tim56]

My opinion is yes.

The only thing that has beaten Haradasun has been Nash Rawiller. On Saturday out of the gates there was no urgency from Rawiller to get Haradasun around them and to sit on the first 4, he instead went out lathargically and rode him that way proceeded to park him 3 wide and keept him like that for the entire race. Coming into the straight he was worst than 3wide and had no chance of winning, Nash killed the race.

You have to start asking questions, would one D.Oliver or D.Beadman or C.Williams or D.Beasley or C.Newitt make these mistakes?? very rarely and certanly not on Haradasun.

I agree Nash should go but I disagree with your reasoning, and I wouldn't put any of those riders on. IMO, Haradasun needs someone with a little more balance and softer hands - I'm not a massive wrap for him but Boss would be perfect, and Williams would as well (although you couldn't get him).

 

[tige19]

Here is an interesting one then, who would any of you put on Haradasun?. Some might find this out of the box but I would give 1 Steven King the saddle, he is a proven big race jockey and has no alliance to any stable, he is a carefull tactical rider, more of a nurser than a hand and heels type.

This will be Nash's last crack on Haradasun, if he fails in the Guniess its all over red rover for him. Vasil although today in the paper loves the guy and is willing to keepo giving him a crack, I mean hey he has only lost a couple of hundread grand for the connections.

His a weird bloke that Vasil.

 

[go fullta]

you lads are a bit harsh on nash.

ive i had a choice of jockeys it would be between damian oliver, steven king and mark zahra.

i agree with you tige, steven king is a gun, and he is under rated atm, he should be getting more oppurtunities.

 

[tige19]

you lads are a bit harsh on nash.

ive i had a choice of jockeys it would be between damian oliver, steven king and mark zahra.

i agree with you tige, steven king is a gun, and he is under rated atm, he should be getting more oppurtunities.

Zahra probably doesnt have the experience at group level or the success to be given such a gun ride, Oliver would fit Harada nice as he is a carefull jock and always seems to have his mounts in the right spots. King is a gun, is proven at group level and very rarely gives a bad ride.

 

[go fullta]

Zahra probably doesnt have the experience at group level or the success to be given such a gun ride, Oliver would fit Harada nice as he is a carefull jock and always seems to have his mounts in the right spots. King is a gun, is proven at group level and very rarely gives a bad ride.

zahra might not have the gr1 wins next to his name but every jockey has to start somewhere and i believe this fella is ready. he is a mature age lad now and he hasnt put a foot wrong lately, why not give him the oppurtunity on the big stage?? too me his experienced enough now to handle the pressure.

 

[tige19]

zahra might not have the gr1 wins next to his name but every jockey has to start somewhere and i believe this fella is ready. he is a mature age lad now and he hasnt put a foot wrong lately, why not give him the oppurtunity on the big stage?? too me his experienced enough now to handle the pressure.

If you had potentially a colt that could be worth excess of 20m would place Zahra on board? no chance. Although I understand what you are saying, Rogerson and Williams have worked wounder with Michael Rodd and now that guy is carving oyt a very impressive career.

Give the ride to Oliver or King and I think you would have found that Harada would be unbeaten to date.

 

[go fullta]

If you had potentially a colt that could be worth excess of 20m would place Zahra on board? no chance. Although I understand what you are saying, Rogerson and Williams have worked wounder with Michael Rodd and now that guy is carving oyt a very impressive career.

Give the ride to Oliver or King and I think you would have found that Harada would be unbeaten to date.

well our family doesnt have a 20m colt but we are always willing to give jockeys a go. i wouldnt be afraid to put anthony darmanin or brady cross on my horses when they race in town. these jockeys dont get the oppurtunitie's, and i believe there just as good as anyone. it was GREAT to see them 2 getting rides in gr1 races last weekend. as for zahra, he is the same, i would put him on my horse if i had a qaulity 3yr old.

 

[Tim56]

If you had potentially a colt that could be worth excess of 20m would place Zahra on board? no chance. Although I understand what you are saying, Rogerson and Williams have worked wounder with Michael Rodd and now that guy is carving oyt a very impressive career.

Give the ride to Oliver or King and I think you would have found that Harada would be unbeaten to date.

The thing is some horses just respond really well to Zahra's riding - Divine Madonna and Above Deck being two off the top of my head.

 

[who wood_collingwood]

Im not sure what ya on about, but the horse has an apparent abscess. So I am thinking it wouldn't have mattered who rode it.

 

[thecarpetsnake]

What's the lightest S.Arnold can ride?
He definitely could've ridden him the other day, as he had 58. He's an absolute genius.

 

[Tim56]

Im not sure what ya on about, but the horse has an apparent abscess. So I am thinking it wouldn't have mattered who rode it.

The abcess wasn't the reason it lost. Once again the sectional times tell the story.

Catechuchu got away with sectionals of 12.24 from the 1000m to the 800m, and 12.69 (!) from the 800m to the 600m. It was all over when Williams slipped her a bit more rein around the turn but she nevertheless finished it off ok, running the second fastest last 200m (11.26). All horses should be able to finish off hard though when leading off a slow pace.

Haradasun's run was nevertheless excellent. He ran his last 800m about half a second quicker than the next best horse (Eclair Passion). Williams being able to slip away along the fence was crucial, as that was the only 200m that Catechuchu ran quicker over the final 800m. Had Nash been able to navigate a passage along the inside Haradasun would have won - despite the slow pace. The fact that Haradasun can run such a strong 800m sectional is an indication that extra ground will only help him - and I think he could definitely handle being ridden a bit more forward.

Haradasun was beaten by the ride - simple as that.

Amitola was a nice run before stopping in the last 200m. Will take more fitness from that (she was first up) and should be very competitive over further.

 

[tige19]

The abcess wasn't the reason it lost. Once again the sectional times tell the story.

Catechuchu got away with sectionals of 12.24 from the 1000m to the 800m, and 12.69 (!) from the 800m to the 600m. It was all over when Williams slipped her a bit more rein around the turn but she nevertheless finished it off ok, running the second fastest last 200m (11.26). All horses should be able to finish off hard though when leading off a slow pace.

Haradasun's run was nevertheless excellent. He ran his last 800m about half a second quicker than the next best horse (Eclair Passion). Williams being able to slip away along the fence was crucial, as that was the only 200m that Catechuchu ran quicker over the final 800m. Had Nash been able to navigate a passage along the inside Haradasun would have won - despite the slow pace. The fact that Haradasun can run such a strong 800m sectional is an indication that extra ground will only help him - and I think he could definitely handle being ridden a bit more forward.

Haradasun was beaten by the ride - simple as that.

Amitola was a nice run before stopping in the last 200m. Will take more fitness from that (she was first up) and should be very competitive over further.

Your spot on, horses do not run sectionals as sizzling as Haradasun did on Saturday if they have an abcess, the abcess severly disables a horse to put pressure on without pain. Im not an horse expert but I would think when that horse starts feeling the pinch when accelerating with an abcess its not gonna wanna sprint to fast.

Anyway Nash needs to be sacked, his riding of the horse has been abysmal from day 1 and if I were the connections I would be giving the mount Oliver (only real logical choice), Olivers form on ES has been unbelievable, the position he puts the horse in makes it unbeatable.

I dont know if Haradasuns value has decreased as yet, however I do know that a failure in the guniess would decrease that horses value by 5-10m. If Nash butchers another ride, he will have be known for the best ****** up of modern times.

 

[footyman]

Haradasun got beat cos they don't want the horse racing on the inside of other horses, simple as that.

All three starts this time in have been the same, sit back, wide and out of trouble. Einstein could see that, so Williams cleverly dictated the race from up front and made it impossible for others, including Haradasun, to make the required ground.

Harada lost by a length, it was still a good run. Given the track the other day seemed to be dodgy on the inside would Haradasun have been any better off racing closer to the rail anyway?

 

[Bloods]

Yeah he should be sacked.

Ellerton should sack him on Casual Pass too.