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Recently I was considering the effect that Lyon has had on Fremantle, and their almost instant improvement from the moment he stepped into the job. No doubt some of the reasons for this are unrelated and pure coincidence/timing, however his record speaks for itself both with St Kilda and Fremantle.

In my opinion he and Clarkson are the best coaches currently coaching in the league. There were some outlandish and unfounded rumours about Lyon leaving for Carlton next year, which I doubt will happen and similarly rumours seem to surface every year about Clarkson 'wanting a new challenge'. This then got me thinking: if either were to start at a new club, what would their respective approaches be?

So here's the scenario:

1. Assume Bucks, for whatever reason, is not coaching us come the end of our season.
2. Clarkson/Lyon/a coach of your choosing is appointed and announced immediately, straight after the GF

In your opinion, how does the new coach approach season 2016, having regard to:

(a) list management / trading and drafting / delisting
(b) coaching staff and support
(c) playing style

I have chosen Clarkson and Lyon as I think they're the two standout coaches in the AFL at present. Feel free to choose another (i.e. Thompson) and give your views on how you think they will go about things, what steps they would take, who they would retain and recruit and whether you think they'd be successful.

Also, this is purely a hypothetical and could be applied to any club. It shouldn't be taken as an endorsement or criticism of Bucks by me, but being BigFooty, it no doubt will be.
 
Lyon is one that makes me wonder what he could pull off with a list of Hawthorns and West Coasts goal kicking ability.
 

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I think both of those coaches wouldn't be able to work miracles on us overnight. Lyon took over both StKilda and Freo who were seasoned sides and topped them up, so he's had mature teams who have numerous pre seasons under their belt to play that style of game.

Clarkson built Hawthorn from ground up so premierships aside, that is a credit to him. Still he wouldn't be able to implement that game plan straightaway as Hawthorn have elite ball users and we struggle in that area. Their talent identification and trading has been top class.

I think our list probably needs another year or 2, but by then Swan and possibly Cloke's outputs maybe on the way down. We need a key forward. I was initially agst Dixon, but if his ankle is medically ok and we think we can turn him around, he may be worth the punt
 
Pricey97 said:
Lyon is one that makes me wonder what he could pull off with a list of Hawthorns and West Coasts goal kicking ability.
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Do you think that he would rely on Cloke much like he has Riewoldt and Pavlich, rather than develop or recruit another KPF?

His gameplay for me tends to revolve around pushing large numbers behind the contest in order to isolate a key marking forward, which has the advantage of curtailing the opposition's scoring whilst playing to the strength of the key position forward.

Clarkson's approach would be interesting, given he wouldn't have the same weapons at his disposal. That's not to say that the weapons we possess can't be equally effective in other ways, and it would be up to Clarkson to find a way that best utilises them. For me he would be the more adaptable coach out of him and Lyon, although Lyon would probably get quicker results.
 
brysie said:
Do you think that he would rely on Cloke much like he has Riewoldt and Pavlich, rather than develop or recruit another KPF?

His gameplay for me tends to revolve around pushing large numbers behind the contest in order to isolate a key marking forward, which has the advantage of curtailing the opposition's scoring whilst playing to the strength of the key position forward.

Clarkson's approach would be interesting, given he wouldn't have the same weapons at his disposal. That's not to say that the weapons we possess can't be equally effective in other ways, and it would be up to Clarkson to find a way that best utilises them. For me he would be the more adaptable coach out of him and Lyon, although Lyon would probably get quicker results.
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I would want Clarkson. He develops players and is always looking to improve/find a way to get better. Lyon gets the most out of a list but does not really develop players
 
I reckon we should go after Leigh Matthews.
 
Is this like when I had a dream that i woke up next to Jennifer Hawkins??
 

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Bucksboys said:
If you mean Lyon targets clubs entering their prime then skips out for the rebuild then yes.. he's a frickin genius
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Yeah I agree with this, is the modern day football coach version of a home wrecker IMO.
 
I rate both Clarkson and Lyon extremely highly but as far as rebuilding our list I'm sure they wouldn't do a lot different to what is taking place under Buckley. Buckley is on the right track and I'm sure both would understand that.
 
Not a huge Lyon fan. The man can coach but history suggests he'll leave a club list broken beyond repair.
 

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Thanks god Malthouse failed miserably with his carlton coaching exploits.

Undoubtedly, Reykjaviks' Law (RIP) would have been invoked in this thread by now.

I rate Lyon but doubt he'd follow our current path. He'd trade away a couple of youngsters to give himself a shot at a flag. He came through the coaching ranks at Sydney and that's how they've built their sides before the academies started baring fruit.

Clarkson is a good coach, but his game style at Hawthorn just wouldn't suit of current crop of players, so he'd have to basically re-invent himself with a different plan.
 
Shpeshal Ed said:
If we're being honest here, Clarkson would gut the shit out of our list.

He'd keep:

- Pendlebury
- Fasolo
- Elliott
- Crisp
- Williams

That's probably it.
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WTF that's not even feasible and we are a year or so from our window opening up

If Clarkson has proven anything it's that he knows how to go out and get that one or two players to put them in or keep them in contention.. they haven't gutted for years
 
Shpeshal Ed said:
If we're being honest here, Clarkson would gut the shit out of our list.

He'd keep:

- Pendlebury
- Fasolo
- Elliott
- Crisp
- Williams

That's probably it.
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I'm sensing a dash of despair here, a quality known for dementing the best of minds. Yes, demented despair must be the culprit here, unless you envision Al bringing the Hawthorn list with him to the Westpac Centre. But even so, how to explain a world in which Steele Sidebottom is banished while the Fas finds favour?
 

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