Roast Something is wrong with this club

[Groupie_]

Sponsorship and Marketing Revenue

Collingwood - $22,170,584
Richmond - $17,252,886
Port Adelaide - $16,238,492
Essendon - $15,532,108
Geelong - $15,517,692
Hawthorn - $14,576,422
Carlton - $12,378,037
Brisbane - $11,033,963
Western Bulldogs - $8,911,027
North Melbourne - $8,782,975
Melbourne - $8,133,129



Membership Revenue

Collingwood - $16,419,687
Geelong - $12,121,444
Richmond - $11,992,714
Hawthorn - $11,705,117
Carlton - $11,617,793
Essendon - $10,363,690
Melbourne - $9,727,844
Brisbane - $6,918,708
Western Bulldogs - $6,712,710
North Melbourne - $5,745,872

 

[Stylo]

Shows how awesome/loyal we Richmond supporters are, and also that we're probably still one of the big 4.

More surprising to me is that Port Adelaide are 3rd for Sponsorship and Marketing Revenue!

 

[Roachy8]

Wheredya get the numbers from?

 

[Groupie_]

Wheredya get the numbers from?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=892065



Brisbane - http://www.lions.com.au/Portals/0/li...port%20ART.pdf
Carlton - http://www.rippledirect.com.au/image...accts_2011.pdf
Collingwood - http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/port...ual_report.pdf
Essendon - http://www.essendonfc.com.au/club/an...2011online.pdf
Geelong - http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/cats...Statements.pdf
Hawthorn - http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/Portals...ual_Report.pdf
North Melbourne - http://www.kangaroos.com.au/Portals/...l%20Report.pdf
Melbourne - http://app1.mailout.com/mailout3/use...37892_0682.pdf
Port Adelaide - http://portadelaidefc.com.au/Portals...nualReport.pdf
Richmond - http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals...financials.pdf
Western Bulldogs - http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/Po...0Report_LR.pdf

 

[Roachy8]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Cheers.

This one is not good...

Gaming Revenue and Hospitality

Collingwood - $19,201,114 (inc. Social Club)
Brisbane - $12,641,070 (inc. Social Club)
Geelong - $10,083,082 (inc. food and beverage)
Hawthorn - $10,057,704 (inc bar and bistro)
Port Adelaide - $6,822,171
Carlton - $4,504,537 (gaming only)
Western Bulldogs - $3,770,594 (hospitality only)
Melbourne - $3,594,013 (inc. social club)
Richmond - $3,410,144 (inc Social club)
Essendon - N/S

 

[Starburns_]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Cheers.

This one is not good...

Though that means we're less reliant on them than other clubs, which should be an advantage with the proposed reforms.

 

[Tiger Titus]

Sponsorship and Marketing Revenue

Collingwood - $22,170,584
Richmond - $17,252,886
Port Adelaide - $16,238,492
Essendon - $15,532,108
Geelong - $15,517,692
Hawthorn - $14,576,422
Carlton - $12,378,037
Brisbane - $11,033,963
Western Bulldogs - $8,911,027
North Melbourne - $8,782,975
Melbourne - $8,133,129

WTF

I thought they had no sponsers?

 

[NZ_Tiger]

I don't expect the pokie reforms will do much to curb problem gambling. Maybe if they restricted the time people could spend playing pokies but not a predetermined spend limit.

 

[delediofan3]

hmmm... expenditure must be hella high then if we're making so much money and they need us to donate to the FTF

 

[Bojangles17]

hmmm... expenditure must be hella high then if we're making so much money and they need us to donate to the FTF

im thinking ftf was captured in the numbers , thats 3mn

 

[JR82]

not bad for a side thats just finished 15th and 12th in the last 2 years...... just wait till we can get competitive again...

 

[rammbo]

There is no dought we r the most loyal and passionate supporters there is just look at the crap weve put up with for over 30 years most other clubs would hav folded 15years ago if they went through the same .

 

[PHX]

Sponsorship and Marketing Revenue

Collingwood - $22,170,584
Richmond - $17,252,886
Port Adelaide - $16,238,492
Essendon - $15,532,108
Geelong - $15,517,692
Hawthorn - $14,576,422
Carlton - $12,378,037
Brisbane - $11,033,963
Western Bulldogs - $8,911,027
North Melbourne - $8,782,975
Melbourne - $8,133,129



Membership Revenue

Collingwood - $16,419,687
Geelong - $12,121,444
Richmond - $11,992,714
Hawthorn - $11,705,117
Carlton - $11,617,793
Essendon - $10,363,690
Melbourne - $9,727,844
Brisbane - $6,918,708
Western Bulldogs - $6,712,710
North Melbourne - $5,745,872

Goes to show we can stick up those who have a go at our membership numbers. $ value wins.

Port's revenue baffles me however.

 

[SleepingGiant]

This is the point I have been trying to make on the main board.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Spot on, wait til we are top 4 and we start coming out of the woods, we'll have a huge following

 

[theflea]

the problem is we spend alot lower on our footy dept than other clubs although our sponsor and member monies are good but not much else. overall revenue is only 33m which is why we need more revenue streams not tied to on field success. problem is you need to spend money to make money ie buying investments that make money pokies, pubs and the like. but more than likely you would have to borrow money for these.

 

[juss]

Football Department Spend
Collingwood - $19,412,167
Geelong - $18,821,742
Essendon - $18,510,078
Carlton - $17,831,197
Melbourne - $16,309,582
Brisbane - $16,061,596
Port Adelaide - $15,682,596
North Melbourne - $15,280,850
Western Bulldogs - $14,694,994
Richmond - $3,466,748 (all that is specifically named as football spend)
Hawthorn - $2,316,797 (all that is specifically named football spend)

Gross Revenue
Collingwood - $75,232,702
Essendon - $51,416,731
Hawthorn - $49,151,009
Geelong - $48,438,196
Brisbane - $42,297,354
Carlton - $39,950,000
Port Adelaide - $37,
Melbourne - $33,514,371
Richmond - $33,403,202
Western Bulldogs - $32,453,030
North Melbourne - $26,017,066

We still have some work to do.

The football department spend amount shows why we need the FTF.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

This is the point I have been trying to make on the main board.

A point you have been making very badly

you ignore our gaming venues are amongst the lowest in the league

you ignore the fact that our sponsorship and marketing revenues includes merchandise sales (which most clubs report seperately)

Also where are the FTF revenues located? sponsorship/marketing is up $3m, is it here, which drops this figure further?

Then of course you fail to acknowledge we still have a large $3.5m debt we are slowly paying off.

We are doing okay, but we have a long way to go before we can start hanging shit on other clubs financial performance.

 

[LC_15]

Football Department Spend
Collingwood - $19,412,167
Geelong - $18,821,742
Essendon - $18,510,078
Carlton - $17,831,197
Melbourne - $16,309,582
Brisbane - $16,061,596
Port Adelaide - $15,682,596
North Melbourne - $15,280,850
Western Bulldogs - $14,694,994
Richmond - $3,466,748 (all that is specifically named as football spend)
Hawthorn - $2,316,797 (all that is specifically named football spend)

We still have some work to do.

The football department spend amount shows why we need the FTF.

Your Department spending component is rubbish. You need to break that down into capital works expenditure. No point bringing up this stat if it's not accurate. You're telling me that NM spends 5 times more on their football dept than richmond?

Having looked at what might be more accurate:

Richmond - Employee Benefit's expense + Football Support expense = NM Football operations is where you get your value.

EG - 16.9M + 3.4M which is TPP and football Dept. North has lumped both in together which doesn't discern football dept in their report.

Looking at Carlton's account keeping, their breakdown is even more dubious. Page 20 of their report has a special 6b and 6c breakdown, IE, 6c is a Breakdown of 6b which is a breakdown of the original statement. In that, the football dept costs are hidden in 2 different values. There is no real breakdown of "Football Dept" costs at carlton, you need to total up all the costs at richmond minus player payments and compare that to their total for costs. There is no apples to apples comparison, each football club reports their position completely differently. The AFL should be enforcing some sort of accounting standards.

 

[juss]

Your Department spending component is rubbish. You need to break that down into capital works expenditure. No point bringing up this stat if it's not accurate. You're telling me that NM spends 5 times more on their football dept than richmond?

Having looked at what might be more accurate:

Richmond - Employee Benefit's expense + Football Support expense = NM Football operations is where you get your value.

EG - 16.9M + 3.4M which is TPP and football Dept. North has lumped both in together which doesn't discern football dept in their report.

Looking at Carlton's account keeping, their breakdown is even more dubious. Page 20 of their report has a special 6b and 6c breakdown, IE, 6c is a Breakdown of 6b which is a breakdown of the original statement. In that, the football dept costs are hidden in 2 different values. There is no real breakdown of "Football Dept" costs at carlton, you need to total up all the costs at richmond minus player payments and compare that to their total for costs. There is no apples to apples comparison, each football club reports their position completely differently. The AFL should be enforcing some sort of accounting standards.

I'm not telling you anything. These are stats taken from the thread that the above figures are also taken on.

Yes, breaking it down might reveal a different figure. However, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out the higher the number the better.

The numbers mean something - it's not a coincidence that Collingwood is at the top of all the categories. That's what we should be aiming for.

 

[LC_15]

I'm not telling you anything. These are stats taken from the thread that the above figures are also taken on.

Yes, breaking it down might reveal a different figure. However, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out the higher the number the better.

The numbers mean something - it's not a coincidence that Collingwood is at the top of all the categories. That's what we should be aiming for.

the figures you posted aren't even correct though in terms of comparison. You just pulled an unequitable figure out for spending on what you quoted was "Football Dept", at least the OP pulled the compartive figure per club.

 

[juss]

the figures you posted aren't even correct though in terms of comparison. You just pulled an unequitable figure out for spending on what you quoted was "Football Dept", at least the OP pulled the compartive figure per club.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=892065

That's where I took the figures from. The same thread that the OP took the figures from. I didn't pull anything together, I didn't quote it as football department, I just copied and pasted from that thread, the exact same as the OP did.

Read that thread and then question the relavance of the figures, as I said before, they are not my figures. Nor my words, nor did I come up with them. I am reposting them in this thread as the OP did.

If you got a problem with the figures, take it up with the references:
Brisbane - http://www.lions.com.au/Portals/0/li...port%20ART.pdf
Carlton - http://www.rippledirect.com.au/image...accts_2011.pdf
Collingwood - http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/port...ual_report.pdf
Essendon - http://www.essendonfc.com.au/club/an...2011online.pdf
Geelong - http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/cats...Statements.pdf
Hawthorn - http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/Portals...ual_Report.pdf
North Melbourne - http://www.kangaroos.com.au/Portals/...l%20Report.pdf
Melbourne - http://app1.mailout.com/mailout3/use...37892_0682.pdf
Port Adelaide - http://portadelaidefc.com.au/Portals...nualReport.pdf
Richmond - http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals...financials.pdf
Western Bulldogs - http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/Po...0Report_LR.pdf

as I believe that's where the figures were drawn from.

If the figures are not good for comparison, then take it up with the OP of the above thread. Perhaps I was wrong for copying and pasting it, but they're not my figures.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Football Department Spend
Collingwood - $19,412,167
Geelong - $18,821,742
Essendon - $18,510,078
Carlton - $17,831,197
Melbourne - $16,309,582
Brisbane - $16,061,596
Port Adelaide - $15,682,596
North Melbourne - $15,280,850
Western Bulldogs - $14,694,994
Richmond - $3,466,748 (all that is specifically named as football spend)
Hawthorn - $2,316,797 (all that is specifically named football spend)

What's the point of having Richmond and Hawthorn on there if the numbers aren't like for like? Are you seriously suggesting North and Port spend nearly 7 times more on their footy department than Hawthorn?

 

[TOOs_Finest]

juss, care to explain how you came up with your figures?

Cheers

 

[Ned_Flanders]

most of those figures includes the wages for players and coaches, our wages are in a seperate section

stupid to compare the base figures