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Originally posted by nicko18
Langer:
#1 or #2: 1465 @ 56.34
#3: 2457 @ 41.64

Ponting:
#3: 1891 @ 54.02
#6: 1962 @ 50.30

Martyn:
#4: 398 @ 49.50
#6: 1113 @ 45.39

Waugh:
#3: 252 @ 36.00
#4: 196 @ 32.66
#5: 5828 @ 53.46
#6: 3095 @ 51.58

the batsman in this side are currently settled into the positions they are most comfortable with. Langer opening, Ponting up the top order, whereas Waugh is more suited to the middle order. horses for courses, not easier doing one or the other, otherwise everyone would go better at #6.
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But you'll also see from those stats that Waugh is the player with the most pronounced difference between batting in different places. Martyn & Ponting's averages vary by only four runs, and while Langer's difference is 15 runs, being a young player batting at 3 and averaging 41 is very respectable.

Not as many "not outs" up the top either.

And once again, I don't think too many people are questioning Waugh's record over his entire career, just the most recent couple of years which are relevant to the form on which he should/shouldn't be selected for the next series.
 
Couldn't agree with Darky more - Waugh was probably always a number 5 or 6 batsman, and was in his great years a magnificent asset to the team, but I think his time really has come, and if he can't put himself out of his misery, the selectors must. The whole thing is becoming too dreary by far, remember the relief when Tubby finally announced he was going.....
 
Originally posted by Darky
Not as many "not outs" up the top either.
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you seem to imply that not-outs artificially raise the batting average. batting average is simply the number of runs you get per dismissal. a 70 not out at #6 could well have been a hundred had the batter had more opportunity to bat on.
and about Waughs pronounced difference, thats because of the very few times he has batted in these positions, hardly enough times to qualify for a geniune average though.
 
Originally posted by nicko18
you seem to imply that not-outs artificially raise the batting average. batting average is simply the number of runs you get per dismissal. a 70 not out at #6 could well have been a hundred had the batter had more opportunity to bat on.
and about Waughs pronounced difference, thats because of the very few times he has batted in these positions, hardly enough times to qualify for a geniune average though.
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It might not be many innings, but you've included Martyn's efforts at #4 (dismissed 8 times), so Waugh's form at 3/4 (dismissed 14 times) is fair game.

As for not outs, there is no doubt that coming in lower down there is a higher percentage of them... outlasting a few tailenders rather than fellow batsmen... so blokes coming in at 5/6 are especially more likely to have a red ink, especially holding down one end defensively while the tail goes the slog.

In your previous post you mentioned that his job is to keep the momentum going, looking at every bastman's strike rate he is the slowest in the team. Last week's innings aside, he doesn't exactly come out swinging the bat every time to speed up a declaration.
 

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Career Strike Rates of the Aus Top 7:

langer - 51
hayden - 59
ponting - 57
martyn - 51
s. waugh - 47
love - 43 (only 1 test though)
gilchrist - 81

so steve waugh is the slowest of the lot but not by much. He never has been a quick scoreer despite his last 2 half centuries, hes been the rock when we've needed one.

I think he may have got himself a spot on the Windies tour here. If he gets a ton then he's put it beyond doubt.
 
Originally posted by P76
Steve n.o. 59 - I tipped this! only 276 to go.....
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why bother with the minor stats? might as well score 502*

with love in now (mr no average), we could declare at about 4/1000 :D
 
who cares, the old man is dead.

steve is now on 9994 career runs, a well known number (if you divide by 100).
 
I must say, if Steve Waugh isn't good enough to be in the team, there's a couple of other batsmen we may need to think about aftre the shots they've played to get out on.
 
Originally posted by Becker
I must say, if Steve Waugh isn't good enough to be in the team, there's a couple of other batsmen we may need to think about aftre the shots they've played to get out on.
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marto averaging under 29 in last 10 matches. somehow i think his time will come sooner rather than later. he's played 33 tests so far, i doubt he'll double that tally.

1st windies test team (yeah, probably dreaming):

hayden
langer
ponting
lehmann
waugh
love
gilchrist
warne
lee
gillespie
mcgrath
 

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Dipper

A specialist captain - a la Mike Brearley - is not really the Australian thing.

As Darky pointed out, the captains that have stepped in for us in the past have done the job quite well. Both Ponting and Warne have proven themselves good captains in one-day internationals.

If anything I would think a struggling captain would have a destablising effect on the side.

Although perhaps its a moot point for the time being, as it looks as if Steve Waugh has returned to form. (on that point - why are there so many threads on this?!)
 
If Steve Waugh was the opposition captain commenting on Steve Waugh's century, it might have gone something like this ...

"We're a bit disappointed we didn't pick him up early. But then, a good team will take those chances. Catch those edges. We didn't bowl well either. Too many loose balls early on leg stump, getting him off the hook and easing the pressure. Too many short balls outside off stump too. We know he's only got one other shot besides that dinky one off his legs through forward square - out through Point, and we played right into his strength. We've just gotta keep working on it, learn to maintain the pressure ...."
 
Originally posted by Darky
As for not outs, there is no doubt that coming in lower down there is a higher percentage of them... outlasting a few tailenders rather than fellow batsmen... so blokes coming in at 5/6 are especially more likely to have a red ink, especially holding down one end defensively while the tail goes the slog.
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It's also a lot easier to get not outs when you take a single off the first ball of an over and let the likes of Gillespie (yes I did see him bat yesterday) and Mcgrath face the bulk of an over.

Moomba
 
You've been listening to Darky for too long, Moomba :p :D

Don't forget also that our tail was a rabble not so many years ago, was often a case of 5 out, all out. Waugh took McGrath (and a couple of others aside) for some one on one coaching to improve their batting and it's worked. Gave them some confidence with the bat and showed confidence in their ability out in the middle by giving them more of the strike and for the most part they've responded to that exposure to the bowling.

There's been numerous times the Aussies would be 5 or 6 down with a slim lead or even behind and with Waugh doing exactly what he's often critisised for, the tail has put on another 150 or 200 runs and often that has been the difference between winning and losing a Test match.

Sure, it doesn't always work (Melbourne Test, '99 Ashes a good case) but I reckon the times it's worked to Australia's advantage far outweigh the times it's failed.
 
Originally posted by The Hippie
Gave them some confidence with the bat and showed confidence in their ability out in the middle by giving them more of the strike and for the most part they've responded to that exposure to the bowling.
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...while the Captain stays up the other end, waiting patiently for four tailenders to get out. Guess who gets the red ink.
 

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