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Nice to see practice matches and VFL sides using the old suburban grounds but for the H&A season they are no longer suitable.
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They need to do something to Richmond station, but agree that his idea would be an extreme one.The Eddie solution will never ever happen. The cost and disruption to put 8 train lines underground would be astronomical.
Suburban Grounds WERE the atmosphere growing up for me, it can never be repeated as most of them are now not up to standard in the modern era, but if you want to know where the atmosphere went then take a day off and cruise around Melbourne. Visit Vic Park, Princes Park, Arden Street, Windy Hill, the Junction Oval, pop on over to the old Brunswick street oval and walk across the ground, stop and look at the old grandstand. You will find the atmosphere there still circulating playing to an empty crowd.
They replaced it all with concrete jungles, not even the G has the same atmosphere as pre 1990. Etihad is soulless. I'm lucky to have been to most suburban grounds, there was simply nothing like it.
IMO, every effort should be made to bring back Princes Park as a venue.
Agree, you'd need serious help from the state government just to get the ball rolling.The problem with the PP solution is accessibility. There is no easy if at all ANY possible solution to fix that
They need to do something to Richmond station, but agree that his idea would be an extreme one.
The new Parkville station on the metro tunnel will help a little. But it's still 2km from the ground.The problem with the PP solution is accessibility. There is no easy if at all ANY possible solution to fix that
Very run down, poor access and facilities, cramped. It struggles with the volumes of passengers it's expected to deal with. They've been discussing upgrades for a while now, not sure where they're at with it.I don't go through there often, what's the issue with Richmond station?
It's enormous and is elevated above Punt Rd.I don't go through there often, what's the issue with Richmond station?
I think he meant why would you consider changing it. It would cost a significant amount, but at some stage something significant will need to be done to it - what that will entail I have no idea.It's enormous and is elevated above Punt Rd.
To get it underground would costs Billions and require A LOT of underpinning to keep it from collapsing, as there is no chance you could shut down Richmond Station for any extended period of time like it would take to rebuild it underground
Accessibility? 15 mins walk to Royal Park station, by 2026 there will be the new Parkville station, again 15 mins walk to and from Princes park. Tram less than 5 mins. It's also one of the busiest Tram routes in Melbourne that takes you directly to Melbourne central or Flinders Street station. Bus 504 Moonee Ponds to Clifton Hill and Bus 505 Moonee Ponds to Melbourne Uni drops you right at the gate.The problem with the PP solution is accessibility. There is no easy if at all ANY possible solution to fix that
You already get to play the GF every year in your home city now you want interstate clubs not to play at the MCG at all?I reckon a third stadium in Melbourne is a no-brainer.
MCG - 100,000 capacity
Docklands - 55,000 (possible upgrade to 60 - 65,000)
Third stadium - 30 -35,000
Now, let's look at average attendences to games played in Melbourne by interstate teams against all other teams:
Adelaide - MCG: 29,931 / Docklands: 28,981
Brisbane - MCG: 33,170 / Docklands: 29,877
Fremantle - MCG: 26,312 / Docklands: 24,182
Gold Coast - MCG: 24,990 / Docklands: 23,381
GWS - MCG: 26,538 / Docklands: 19,224
Port Adelaide - MCG: 25,433 / Docklands: 25,386
Sydney - MCG: 27,382 / Docklands: 34,437
West Coast - MCG: 29,074 / Docklands: 29,932
Every single interstate team averages less than 35,000 per game playing in Melbourne. Obviously there are discrepancies over the years when interstate teams are in contention. Most people would like to go and watch the Swans over the last few years, but maybe not so much Brisbane or the Gold Coast. Brisbane on the other hand would have been drawing much bigger crowds during their three-peat years.
Overall though, it presents a compelling argument for the merits of a smaller stadium in Melbourne to cater for lower drawing interstate teams. One could also argue that lower drawing all Melbourne teams could be scheduled to play there. St. Kilda vs Melbourne for example. And assuming the ground in question is Princes Park, then Carlton could play home games there against North Melbourne, Melbourne and St. Kilda, home games at Docklands against Hawthorn and Geelong, and home games at the MCG against Richmond, Collingwood and Essendon.
If the Gold Coast stadium only cost ~$140 million to knock down and rebuild, how much more would it cost to get Princes Park up to scratch?
agree... Fremantle should be playing at Fremantle Oval, not with us
a Perth (West Coast) v Fremantle footy rivalry is so natural, but a bit laughable when Freo have to play their home games in Perth
i get the economics of it, but...
You already get to play the GF every year in your home city now you want interstate clubs not to play at the MCG at all?
Haha no.
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No.No, not every game. Obviously when interstate teams are up and about they need to be scheduled at larger venues, also against higher drawing home times they need to be scheduled there. There should be more flexibility in the draw and allocation of venues.
Read the post immediately before yours.No.
We get the MCG once this year before finals time. I think thays pretty poor to begin with. Not going to agree with zero.
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So only if victorians decide they want to watch?Read the post immediately before yours.
With the exception of St Kilda, all teams modern home grounds are reasonably close to their traditional home grounds. Most of the clubs are neighbouring inner city suburbs anyway.
Moorabbin to Etihad 18.3km