Analysis Swans midfielders we need more

[Millky95]

Midfield scoring totals:

Kennedy:
2012: 29.13
2013: 14.16
2014: 13.20
2015: 9.15

K Jack:
2012: 27.13
2013: 24.14
2014: 18.13
2015: 9.7

McVeigh:
2012: 18.13
2013: 16.7
2014: 15.9
2015: 8.4

Parker:
2012: 5.5
2013: 22.12
2014: 25.14
2015: 18.14

Hannebery:
2012: 10.8
2013: 17.16
2014: 11.8
2015: 13.5

Mitchell:
2013: 11.17
2014: 2.2
2015: 6.3

McGlynn:
2012: 30.24
2013: 30.16
2014: 24.16
2015: 6.4

McVeigh, 2013 AA at half back is on track to kick more goals than this year.

Jack and Kennedy the big ones to drop off on goal kicking

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Midfield scoring totals:

Kennedy:
2012: 29.13
2013: 14.16
2014: 13.20
2015: 9.15

K Jack:
2012: 27.13
2013: 24.14
2014: 18.13
2015: 9.7

McVeigh:
2012: 18.13
2013: 16.7
2014: 15.9
2015: 8.4

Parker:
2012: 5.5
2013: 22.12
2014: 25.14
2015: 18.14

Hannebery:
2012: 10.8
2013: 17.16
2014: 11.8
2015: 13.5

Mitchell:
2013: 11.17
2014: 2.2
2015: 6.3

McGlynn:
2012: 30.24
2013: 30.16
2014: 24.16
2015: 6.4

Thats depressing to read all gone backwards.

 

[Tuco]

Midfield scoring totals:

Kennedy:
2012: 29.13
2013: 14.16
2014: 13.20
2015: 9.15

K Jack:
2012: 27.13
2013: 24.14
2014: 18.13
2015: 9.7

McVeigh:
2012: 18.13
2013: 16.7
2014: 15.9
2015: 8.4

Parker:
2012: 5.5
2013: 22.12
2014: 25.14
2015: 18.14

Hannebery:
2012: 10.8
2013: 17.16
2014: 11.8
2015: 13.5

Mitchell:
2013: 11.17
2014: 2.2
2015: 6.3

McGlynn:
2012: 30.24
2013: 30.16
2014: 24.16
2015: 6.4

Yuk. No wonder we've only scored 80pts 9 times all year.

Add in the drop off from Jetta, Goodes, McGlynn over that period and the picture gets worse

 

[RUNVS]

So essentially we have lost around 40+ goals from the midfield between 2012 and 2015. That is an average of something like 15 points per match.

 

[Millky95]

Can anyone look up Jetta's goal kicking since 2012? I know he isn't an inside mid but still be interesting to see

 

[scaryness]

Can anyone look up Jetta's goal kicking since 2012? I know he isn't an inside mid but still be interesting to see

2012: 45.17
2013: 10.3
2014: 14.22
2015: 12.11

 

[Tuco]

Basically we've never replaced Bolton and ROK.

 

[scaryness]

Midfield scoring totals:

Kennedy:
2012: 29.13
2013: 14.16
2014: 13.20
2015: 9.15

K Jack:
2012: 27.13
2013: 24.14
2014: 18.13
2015: 9.7

McVeigh:
2012: 18.13
2013: 16.7
2014: 15.9
2015: 8.4

Parker:
2012: 5.5
2013: 22.12
2014: 25.14
2015: 18.14

Hannebery:
2012: 10.8
2013: 17.16
2014: 11.8
2015: 13.5

Mitchell:
2013: 11.17
2014: 2.2
2015: 6.3

McGlynn:
2012: 30.24
2013: 30.16
2014: 24.16
2015: 6.4

Jetta:
2012: 45.17
2013: 10.3
2014: 14.22
2015: 12.11

2012: 164.93 (1077) (47% of team score)
2013: 144.94 (958) (43% of team score)
2014: 122.104 (836) (39% of team score)
2015: 81.49 (535) (35% of team score)

 

[GotTheGoodes]

2012: 164.93 (1077) (47% of team score)
2013: 144.94 (958) (43% of team score)
2014: 122.104 (836) (39% of team score)
2015: 81.49 (535) (35% of team score)

You factor in 100-130 goals to Bud & Tip as the difference between 2012-15 though & it's not as damning. Still wiuld rather see the load shared a bit more across the playing group.

 

[bungee]

Comparing today's group to the 2012 model, I would say

1. We haven't adequately replaced ROK's hardness in the middle. The guy was a tackling machine and contested beast and while not a genuine tagger could be successfully assigned a shut down role. Now in his absence, guys like Tom Mitchell and Dan Hannebery to shut down the opposition's best midfielder (like they did in vain with Selwood tonight) to the detriment of their offensive game. I know Craig Bird gets a lot of stick around these parts, but I still believe he is a vital cog that we are missing in our midfield mix.
2. Teams have worked out that Kennedy is the key to our inside game. You may never be able to prevent him getting big contested numbers but you can quell his influence by making sure he doesn't get clean ball out. How many times tonight did we see him having multiple Cats hanging off of him while he had the ball? Opposition teams know they can get numbers around him without letting anyone else off the leash because he is our one genuine inside ball winner.
3. The big one of course is no Mumford and to a lesser extent no Pyke (or rather a not fully fit Pyke). The midfielders have been told to be accountable for their men around the stoppages due to our ruck weakness. This defensive mindset makes it difficult to win (clean) ball out of the middle to feed our outside runners, and it seemed for long periods tonight we were working out butts off making tackles and chasing for little reward.

Bang on the mark

 

[The King!]

The 2012 side actually used to leave a bit more of a forward structure despite on paper having less forward firepower.

We didnt crowd the stoppages as much and we ran off half back with mattner, malceski and shaw, thats what we havent replaced imo

We now put more round the stoppage, create space for jetta and try to get the ball in his hands to run while the forwards get back to position.

We have lost the ability to win the ball on the ground in defence and create run.

Mcveigh did it well as an all australian, but coach of the year does not always play him there, shaw whilst having a great patch is not 2012 shaw, rightly so, and we dont have adequate replacements for mal and mattner.

I think we have added two gun forwards and not adjusted the plan correctly.

Just poor coaching,

Yeah im criticising the coach who knows way more and im just a flog on big footy oh well

 

[Punts]

The 2012 side actually used to leave a bit more of a forward structure despite on paper having less forward firepower.

We didnt crowd the stoppages as much and we ran off half back with mattner, malceski and shaw, thats what we havent replaced imo

We now put more round the stoppage, create space for jetta and try to get the ball in his hands to run while the forwards get back to position.

We have lost the ability to win the ball on the ground in defence and create run.

Mcveigh did it well as an all australian, but coach of the year does not always play him there, shaw whilst having a great patch is not 2012 shaw, rightly so, and we dont have adequate replacements for mal and mattner.

I think we have added two gun forwards and not adjusted the plan correctly.

Just poor coaching,

Yeah im criticising the coach who knows way more and im just a flog on big footy oh well

Don't forget a hawk fan too

 

[The King!]

Don't forget a hawk fan too

Yeah 2012 sucked for us, but the last two years have been epic

 

[CamTinley]

Break the glass and put Heeney in the midfield. He'll find the ball and kick a goal, or two, or three in the process.

 

[bungee]

Break the glass and put Heeney in the midfield. He'll find the ball and kick a goal, or two, or three in the process.

Don't think Heeney has the tank yet.

 

[bungee]

Wish list

Ins : McGlynn, Pyke
Out : Lloyd, Nanka

 

[Tedeski]

The 2012 side actually used to leave a bit more of a forward structure despite on paper having less forward firepower.

We didnt crowd the stoppages as much and we ran off half back with mattner, malceski and shaw, thats what we havent replaced imo

We now put more round the stoppage, create space for jetta and try to get the ball in his hands to run while the forwards get back to position.

We have lost the ability to win the ball on the ground in defence and create run.

Mcveigh did it well as an all australian, but coach of the year does not always play him there, shaw whilst having a great patch is not 2012 shaw, rightly so, and we dont have adequate replacements for mal and mattner.

I think we have added two gun forwards and not adjusted the plan correctly.

Just poor coaching,

Yeah im criticising the coach who knows way more and im just a flog on big footy oh well

Oh come on now SS!
Being a bit hard on yourself there.
I'm sure you're a flog in other places as well as Bigfooty!

 

[The King!]

Oh come on now SS!
Being a bit hard on yourself there.
I'm sure you're a flog in other places as well as Bigfooty!

Just doing the standard retraction for you saves you the empty replies

 

[Tedeski]

My wishlist?

Ins: DRex, Towers, Robinson, Hewitt DRex can't do worse than he did in his first game back & at leas will allow us to play Tippett as a stand alone forward.
Outs: Nankervis, B Jack, K Jack, McVeigh

Game time in the twos: McGlynn, Rohan.

Enforced layoff for adequate recovery: Buddy, Pyke, K Jack, J McVeigh. Without these four fit & rested, we don't win a final!

The two captains are clearly injured & incapable of an adequate output for 4 Qs.
Playing these 4 unfit won't guarantee a win against the Pies.
They won't be the difference. The Difference comes from a fit & healthy midfield playing out the game.

The only question I have for the coaches is to go in with a fit team. If we didn't learn our lesson in the GF last year, then we do need to do a review on coaches.!

 

[PVF]

I think the problem with the midfield not kicking goals is the Buddy and Tippett "effect".

Since the Premiership season:

2012 (Premiership)
Players with over 30 goals: 4
Players with over 20 goals: 5
Players average a goal a game (played over 60% of games): 8

2013 (Tippett arrives)
Players with over 30 goals: 2
Players with over 20 goals: 6
Players average a goal a game (played over 60% of games): 7

2014 (Buddy arrives)
Players with over 30 goals: 3
Players with over 20 goals: 2
Players average a goal a game (played over 60% of games): 5

2015 (4 games to play)
Players with over 30 goals: 1
Players with over 20 goals: 1
Players average a goal a game (played over 60% of games): 4

 

[nottenthagain]

We have great accumulators... but none of them are great kicks. I haven't read the whole thread but IMO our foot skills are pretty poor, our best midfield kick is McVeigh and although he's a decent kick I wouldn't say he is a penetrative kick. I'd say Rohan, Jetta and Buddy are the only ones in our squad and with the first couple there is pretty sporadic evidence to support this....

I'm very tempted to moneyball a big name to improve in that area.

 

[nottenthagain]

I think the problem with the midfield not kicking goals is the Buddy and Tippett "effect".

Since the Premiership season:

2012 (Premiership)
Players with over 30 goals: 4
Players with over 20 goals: 5
Players average a goal a game (played over 60% of games): 8

2013 (Tippett arrives)
Players with over 30 goals: 2
Players with over 20 goals: 6
Players average a goal a game (played over 60% of games): 7

2014 (Buddy arrives)
Players with over 30 goals: 3
Players with over 20 goals: 2
Players average a goal a game (played over 60% of games): 5

2015 (4 games to play)
Players with over 30 goals: 1
Players with over 20 goals: 1
Players average a goal a game (played over 60% of games): 4

They're pretty telling stats....

 

[Skeparovic]

Midfield scoring totals:

Kennedy:
2012: 29.13
2013: 14.16
2014: 13.20
2015: 9.15

K Jack:
2012: 27.13
2013: 24.14
2014: 18.13
2015: 9.7

McVeigh:
2012: 18.13
2013: 16.7
2014: 15.9
2015: 8.4

Parker:
2012: 5.5
2013: 22.12
2014: 25.14
2015: 18.14

Hannebery:
2012: 10.8
2013: 17.16
2014: 11.8
2015: 13.5

Mitchell:
2013: 11.17
2014: 2.2
2015: 6.3

McGlynn:
2012: 30.24
2013: 30.16
2014: 24.16
2015: 6.4

Jetta:
2012: 45.17
2013: 10.3
2014: 14.22
2015: 12.11

Great work Scaryness with listing the scoring averages. Disturbing drop off clearly evident. Another interesting point would be to compare ruck hitout stats for Swans over recent years:
2012: 1059 Avg 42.4 ranking #4
2013: 1181 Avg 47.2 ranking #1
2014: 987 Avg 37.1 ranking #8
2015: 918 Avg 45.9 ranking #7

Wish it gave hitouts to advantage however it just lists hitouts only on AFL website. Could be the declining midfield scoring options directly relate to the ruck weakness Swans face currently. Address that area and midfield delivery forward and goals kicked by midfielders could improve significantly in 2016.