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My apologies as I couldn't find the Brisbane in the media thread to post this.

A very good article and shows the disadvantages the Northern Clubs face.


NSW, Queensland clubs push AFL to address 'inequalities'

By Caroline Wilson

July 26, 2019 — 11.44am

Five years after the AFL scrapped the contentious Sydney cost-of-living allowance (COLA) and more than 15 years since Brisbane lost its salary cap benefits to combat the "go-home" factor, the four clubs based outside football's heartland are calling for a radical correction to address their geographical disadvantages.

Sydney chairman Andrew Pridham and his Greater Western Sydney counterpart Tony Shepherd have backed an urgent review by the AFL Commission as they struggle to retain players and staff.
Brisbane Lions chief Greg Swann said he expected north-of-the-Murray club bosses to outline their push at the forthcoming CEO talks early next month.
Giants chief Dave Matthews said the four clubs would unite due to their unique circumstances and has called upon the AFL bosses to travel north to assess the inequalities in their marketing and fixturing, cost of living, player academies and second-tier competitions.
The four club presidents have asked Gillon McLachlan and his chairman Richard Goyder to attend initial discussions before the end of the football year.

The move comes as Gold Coast languishes on the AFL critical list. Amid growing fears the Suns will lose another star in Jack Martin the club is also struggling to re-sign the youthful duo of Ben King and Jack Lukosius and are campaigning for a priority draft pick immediately after pick No.1.
Mindful that COLA has become the most tarnished acronym in the competition, Swans chairman Pridham said the cost-of-living inequalities for the Sydney clubs needed to be urgently addressed "without the industry getting hysterical".

"I think whatever it's called there needs to be allowances in the soft cap and the salary cap," said Pridham. "This has to be addressed. It's the biggest issue in footy and it's come around to this point again."
When asked whether the Swans and the Giants would push to regain their player COLA, Pridham said: "It's dangerous putting labels on things and I know the feeling around COLA but we need to address this without getting hysterical.
"That's why we have an independent commission. All four clubs in the non-traditional states need to sit down with the commission and calmly look at this. Coaches and players want more money to play in the non-traditional states and it's irrefutable that it costs more than 10 per cent extra to live in Sydney.

"There's a whole lot of issues around player and coach retention and there needs to be a review. It's irrefutable to that there needs to be changes."

It's dangerous putting labels on things and I know the feeling around COLA but we need to address this without getting hysterical.
Andrew Pridham, Sydney chairman

Swann said it was beyond dispute footballers living in Sydney faced financial disadvantages due to the heavier living costs. Having overseen an on-field resurrection at the Lions he also spoke of the adjustments which accompanied living outside the football heartland.
"The problem we have is that almost everyone here is from somewhere else," said Swann. "So the club becomes everything, which is not always healthy. There is an outlet in the home-state players to turn to mates or family, which we don't have here."
While Pridham last addressed Sydney's issues with the commission two months ago, Shepherd said: "I've been whinging a lot but now we seriously need to address this. The expansion of the competition is an AFL initiative but now they need to follow their money. If I were them that's what I would be doing.
"The four clubs are talking together now and we can't let this go. Our players talk to their mates in Melbourne and Adelaide and Perth and they are very aware of the sponsorship and marketing opportunities they are missing out on.

"And it's not just players. The football expertise on and off the field comes from the heartland. I'm talking about doctors and conditioning staff and coaches. We have a terrific doctor but he has a background in rugby league not AFL.

I've been whinging a lot but now we seriously need to address this.
Tony Shepherd, GWS chairman

"And we have to pay significantly more than other clubs to bring them here and our players can't negotiate the advertising contracts and ambassadorial rates their counterparts are in Melbourne and Adelaide.
"If we fell out of the eight we would risk some bad years and you look at the Gold Coast's plight at the moment and it's hurting the entire competition. It's damaging attendances and they are seriously struggling to keep players and the competition is going to continue to pillage their list."
Shepherd said the AFL bowed to pressure from the traditional clubs to scrap COLA after Sydney recruited Lance Franklin on a lucrative long-term contract "partly because I think they wanted him to come to us".
Brisbane's retention allowance was removed again due to pressure from the powerful Victorian bloc after the club had won successive flags and recruited Blake Caracella from Essendon. "But then the Lions languished outside the eight for years and they struggled to keep their players and staff," said Shepherd.

The four clubs have a strong ally in the AFL Players' Association, whose boss Paul Marsh described the inequalities in the current system as "a conversation the industry has to have".
"It's complex and maybe it's something we will work towards the next CBA but I'm putting it on the agenda. We're not taking this lightly."
Marsh urged the competition not to view the move "as an anti-Victorian stance. But we have a system based on equalisation. We have a salary cap, a reverse order draft, a soft cap and we need to look at the areas of 'disequalisation'.
"I'm not just talking about the four clubs in New South Wales and Queensland. We're talking about where the grand final is played and about the unfairness of the fixture where the West Australian teams and non-Victorian teams should be prioritised."
Although the WA teams were allotted extra business-class seats for flights to and from their matches in the last collective bargaining agreement, Marsh pointed out strange fixturing decisions such as sending West Coast to country NSW for a pre-season game.

Fresh from a club visit to Greater Western Sydney, where the taxi fare from the airport totalled $160 along with $35 in toll charges, Marsh agreed the marketing and promotional opportunities for players north of the Murray were significantly less than those in the traditional Australian rules states.
Pridham said a middle-ranked Victorian-based player during grand final week had the potential to earn between $10,000 to $20,000 through appearances in Melbourne - an opportunity not available to comparable Queensland and NSW-based players.
 

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I guess for us our number 1 need would be a fixture next season that will give us and our sponsors the greatest amount of exposure and maximise crowds.

As well as protecting our academies.
 
Protecting our academy’s and fixing that train wreck called NGA’s.
Problem is any leg up the northern states get Eddie and mates will complain about.
NGA is a joke outside of QLD and NSW.
Salary cap or COLA will be fought against.

As far as the big 4 Vic clubs only the Pies, Blues, Tigers and Bombers making the finals each year will be tolerated :)

It is very hard to have a even comp as well..
How much of our success we seeing now is the AFL setting up the correct people and support for them.
You feel for Gold Coast if you look at how they setup vs the GWS. GWS went with short term pain.
Gold Coast had no choice as they in the sporting graveyard then to try to $$$ a team together which did not work.
 
Geez how nice of Sydney to finally pipe up about this and want to do something about it when it's finally their turn to languish down the bottom of the ladder for a while. Trying to group themselves in with the poor suns narrative. Stuff them, let the cop their wack imo, they never seemed interested in doing anything while they were up the ladder. Now we're supposed to band with them to help them out and cop the heat if we get help while we're looking more successful.

Sydney in it for Sydney once again
 
Geez how nice of Sydney to finally pipe up about this and want to do something about it when it's finally their turn to languish down the bottom of the ladder for a while. Trying to group themselves in with the poor suns narrative. Stuff them, let the cop their wack imo, they never seemed interested in doing anything while they were up the ladder. Now we're supposed to band with them to help them out and cop the heat if we get help while we're looking more successful.

Sydney in it for Sydney once again

Yair

Sydney has always been such a p!ssweak club;)
 
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Geez how nice of Sydney to finally pipe up about this and want to do something about it when it's finally their turn to languish down the bottom of the ladder for a while. Trying to group themselves in with the poor suns narrative. Stuff them, let the cop their wack imo, they never seemed interested in doing anything while they were up the ladder. Now we're supposed to band with them to help them out and cop the heat if we get help while we're looking more successful.

Sydney in it for Sydney once again

Don't recall them doing anything like that for the last 10 years. They can bide their time at the bottom of the ladder for all I care.
 
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Whilst I concur that Sydney are campaigning at an opportune time, I'm happy to have us as part of the conversation.

The financial reality isn't going to change for any of the 4 northern clubs, irrespective of success - in fact, success just makes it more unequal, not less.
 

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I have no sympathy. This is Sydney interest in self interest. The last thing they want is help for Suns or Brisbane. Ten years languishing in mediocrity is all Sydney deserve. Where the ________ where they when we were wallowing in the quicksand? Did they support our cry for help, did they support on two occasions us asking for a priority pick? Now when they can see the tsunami approaching they want a so called Norther Alliance to share the heat and drag us into the quagmire with them. F them. I hope we have some astute footy personnel to see through this s**t.
 
Honestly I do not want any side down the bottom 4 for 5-6 years. Not good for the comp.
This year the fact most teams can beat others on their day has made watching games a lot more interesting.
You do wonder about the Suns and if QLD can support 2 teams. I know it is mentioned a few times
Although without a $$ leg up it will be hard for QLD more then Sydney.

Sydney also has a lot of big business with $$$ although the same with GWS and Swans.. Honestly still Rugby towns and only come when winning
 
I’m honestly surprised it’s taken this long for the Northern Alliance to meaningfully unite. We all know it’s really disingenuous of the heartland club’s to say that the northern club’s aren’t at a disadvantage but if the AFL actually had any impartiality and integrity, they’d stop this incessant bowing down to them at every turn and recognise and address the very real struggles of northern club’s.
 
Watch our unexpected rise this season get used as anecdotal evidence that everything is hunky dory north of the Victorian border.

Every measure to level the playing field up here comes on the back of the most exhausting battles and is inevitably a half-measure.

And then all it takes is for Victorian clubs to say "oh, you know those academies you introduced to address an inbalance between them and us, can we have them too?..."

EDIT: also want to echo the dismay of others at the very curious timing of Sydney finally expressing concerns about how the game is going up here.
 
I don't recall whether we kicked up a fuss when Sydney got trade banned for trading within the rules or when GWS got de-Rivera'd or when the Gold Coast was getting pillaged etc etc etc ... if we didn't then we probably don't have the moral standing to bounce Sydney for failing to do the same in our own direction.

Politically speaking parties exist for a reason (influence, mutual support etc) and their members have either a common enemy or shared concerns ... in this case the shared enemy would be the still-V elements of the AvFL (of VFL House) and the shared concerns would be for existing as legitimate footballing concerns (as opposed to surviving as feeder clubs/contributors to broadcast deal) in non-AFL/frontier states.

So while I get the bad-taste concepts it doesn't seem to be a strategically invalid move (devil in the details of course) or a tactically inept one...

Mentioned it during the non-Lions thread re the Suns v Dons game today - they showed a shot of Gil in the stands right near the end when Gold Coast was leading and he looked all the world like a sad/stunned/this cannot be happening Essendon supporter ... and then the Dons got in front the commentator was going on about how relieved the Dons would be to have pulled of the win and "Gil must be relieved too". Even if he had played for Essendon (he didn't) if you can't at least wear the appearance of neutrality should you really be CEO / sitting in a place of judgement on the game? How would you feel about a field umpire who looked sad everytime we scored and delighted every time the opposition scored ...
 
Surely the references to Gil being relieved about an Essendon win were about the umpiring error that saw the Bombers denied a clear goal. No doubt the fuss would have been even wider than last week had the Suns win by less than a kick

Good point ... it was just that it resonates with being so close to the other shot ... and even what I saw as his depressed look could have just been him looking dopey and bored (reading other people's body language and emotional cues is *not* a strength of mine...)
 
I don't recall whether we kicked up a fuss when Sydney got trade banned for trading within the rules or when GWS got de-Rivera'd or when the Gold Coast was getting pillaged etc etc etc ... if we didn't then we probably don't have the moral standing to bounce Sydney for failing to do the same in our own direction.

Politically speaking parties exist for a reason (influence, mutual support etc) and their members have either a common enemy or shared concerns ... in this case the shared enemy would be the still-V elements of the AvFL (of VFL House) and the shared concerns would be for existing as legitimate footballing concerns (as opposed to surviving as feeder clubs/contributors to broadcast deal) in non-AFL/frontier states.

So while I get the bad-taste concepts it doesn't seem to be a strategically invalid move (devil in the details of course) or a tactically inept one...

Mentioned it during the non-Lions thread re the Suns v Dons game today - they showed a shot of Gil in the stands right near the end when Gold Coast was leading and he looked all the world like a sad/stunned/this cannot be happening Essendon supporter ... and then the Dons got in front the commentator was going on about how relieved the Dons would be to have pulled of the win and "Gil must be relieved too". Even if he had played for Essendon (he didn't) if you can't at least wear the appearance of neutrality should you really be CEO / sitting in a place of judgement on the game? How would you feel about a field umpire who looked sad everytime we scored and delighted every time the opposition scored ...
On your point regarding the commentary, it honestly surprises me that the AFL doesn’t even pull up the networks on such Victorian biases given, you know, it is a national competition after all.
 
Geez how nice of Sydney to finally pipe up about this and want to do something about it when it's finally their turn to languish down the bottom of the ladder for a while. Trying to group themselves in with the poor suns narrative. Stuff them, let the cop their wack imo, they never seemed interested in doing anything while they were up the ladder. Now we're supposed to band with them to help them out and cop the heat if we get help while we're looking more successful.
When the wheel turns again and we enter another unsuccessful period, will you want Sydney's weight pushing with us or against us? What if their fans have a similar mindset to you and say "stuff Brisbane, where were they when we offered to band together"?

What helps us most going forward here, additional voices pushing for our interests, or moaning about some past grievance?
Personally I don't care about any petty history and bearing grudges. I'd accept an olive branch from Satan himself, or worse, Eddie McGuire, if it meant some sort of advantage for the Lions.

Honestly I do not want any side down the bottom 4 for 5-6 years. Not good for the comp.
I agree, unless it's Collingwood. I'd be quite happy to see them in the toilet for a prolonged period.
 
Only feel safe to post this on here but in regards to the Suns, AFL house should not only give them a priority pick at the front of the draft but anything and everything to get that ship on the right track. I might sound all doomsday but if they think it takes the right people in the right jobs and it’ll be all sorted then they have rocks in their heads. I’m sick of the comparison to us but we had already been in the comp for the best part of 30yrs as the Bears up here. They should either pull their fingers out and do whatever it takes and while I’m at it the Giants have been nothing more than a feeder club and in 2/3 years they’ll be struggling as well.
 

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