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More omaha advice please:

(a) is this a good starting hand? I thought yes with all the straight possibilities
(b) is the play correct? Again i think so given the flop for my hand combined with the draws, but i was still behind to the set so maybe not?
Of course it's a good enough hand to see a flop with. I thought you played the hand well, not sure what your buddy saw preflop with J442.
 
the 3 kings hand is not great, but i've seen worse. at least it was a high pair.

the thing is your chances of hitting a set on the flop go from 1 in 8 to 1 in 16. having the ace helps because obviously you've still got top pair if an ace hits the flop....

the T987 hand is a very good hand that you hit very hard on the flop with two pair and god knows how many straight draws.
 
good example with the kings

KhKsQhJs v Ah9hTd8d is 53% v 47%
KhKsKdJs v Ah9hTd8d is 47% v 53%

still a bit marginal but does show how having three of a kind in your starting hand can diminish your hand strength.
 

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had a real hard session tonight over 150 hands (2 x $25 buy-in's at $0.10/$0.25 blinds). just couldn't get any momentum going, was down about $20.00 at one stage but got this hand to get me just in front for the session.

decided that would do me and quit a few hands later for the night.

i really backed my read that this guy would definately bet this flop and i could get my money in with the best hand. he had already lived up to his name (berzerk) so i thought no reason for him not to do it again.

i still had some cards to dodge.

but seriously?? as if i had anything but AAxx in this spot. as if at 0.25/0.50 levels anyone is going to bet the pot from the big blind into almost the entire table after an under the gun raise, risking playing the hand out of position with anything less than AAxx. Actually even at nose bleeds level the person in my spot would always turn up with AAxx or a mega drawing hand like QJT9 double suited.

Full Tilt Poker Game #11915575393: Table Tanbark (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 12:48:05 ET - 2009/04/28
Seat 1: shamelessdave ($15.03)
Seat 2: FullRiggdPokr ($25)
Seat 3: NiGu_ ($19.36)
Seat 4: Berzerk76 ($45.33)
Seat 5: FE390 ($44.34)
Seat 6: Jazzk ($26.91)

Jazzk posts the small blind of $0.10
shamelessdave posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #5

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to shamelessdave [Ah Ac 5d 7d]

FullRiggdPokr raises to $0.85
NiGu_ calls $0.85
Berzerk76 calls $0.85
FE390 calls $0.85
Jazzk folds
shamelessdave raises to $5.20
FullRiggdPokr folds
NiGu_ folds
Berzerk76 calls $4.35
FE390 folds

*** FLOP *** [Th 9s As]

shamelessdave has 15 seconds left to act
shamelessdave checks
Berzerk76 bets $13.05
shamelessdave calls $9.83, and is all in
Berzerk76 shows [2s Jc Qs Qh]
shamelessdave shows [Ah Ac 5d 7d]

Uncalled bet of $3.22 returned to Berzerk76

*** TURN *** [Th 9s As] [5h]

*** RIVER *** [Th 9s As 5h] [6c]

Berzerk76 shows a pair of Queens
shamelessdave shows three of a kind, Aces
shamelessdave wins the pot ($31.08) with three of a kind, Aces

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $32.71 | Rake $1.63
Board: [Th 9s As 5h 6c]
Seat 1: shamelessdave (big blind) showed [Ah Ac 5d 7d] and won ($31.08) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 2: FullRiggdPokr folded before the Flop
Seat 3: NiGu_ folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Berzerk76 showed [2s Jc Qs Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: FE390 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Jazzk (small blind) folded before the Flop
 
Berzerk's mistake is not folding preflop given his hand doesn't play well against AAxx and you're shortstacked, but that's a dream flop for him. Money was always going to go in regardless of how you played it.
 
Code:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=6321587
pokenum  -o ah ac 5d 7d  - 2s jc qs qh  -- th 9s as 
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing As 9s Th
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
Ac 7d  5d  Ah  475  57.93   345  42.07    0  0.00  0.579
Qs 2s  Jc  Qh  345  42.07   475  57.93    0  0.00  0.421
 
Berzerk's mistake is not folding preflop given his hand doesn't play well against AAxx and you're shortstacked, but that's a dream flop for him. Money was always going to go in regardless of how you played it.

yeah true, i didn't figure him to be so strong on the flop. i was thinking i might get him to go at if he's got the case ace, or maybe a set of ten's...

i thought i had him absolutely crushed but he had heaps of outs. fortunately i dodged them.
 
just wanted to play around with the cards but have villain crushed even with straight and flush draws :D
Code:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=6322386
pokenum  -o as ac qs jd  - 2s js qc qh  -- ad ts 9s 
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 9s Ad
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie   %tie     EV
As Qs  Ac  Jd  685  83.54     0   0.00  135  16.46  0.918
Js 2s  Qc  Qh    0   0.00   685  83.54  135  16.46  0.082
 
good old omaha variance :)

i suppose he was about 35% pre flop and post flop so it wasn't a massive bad beat... but still it sucks.

i should've re-raised pre flop. gave him way too much credit but had only just sat down and at this level a lot of people don't raise with anything other than AAxx.

Full Tilt Poker Game #11976783814: Table Nick (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 21:55:19 ET - 2009/05/01

Seat 1: HotefnTuna ($30.03)
Seat 2: TT-Earmuffs ($66.82)
Seat 3: crazybettor ($10.91), is sitting out
Seat 4: shamelessdave ($23.05)
Seat 5: Bullmer ($30.18)
Seat 6: DoubleJJ770 ($38.93)

Bullmer posts the small blind of $0.10
DoubleJJ770 posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to shamelessdave [Kh Td Ks Qh]

HotefnTuna folds
TT-Earmuffs raises to $0.85
shamelessdave calls $0.85
Bullmer folds
DoubleJJ770 folds

*** FLOP *** [9d Tc Jd]

TT-Earmuffs bets $2.05
shamelessdave has 15 seconds left to act
shamelessdave raises to $8.20
TT-Earmuffs has 15 seconds left to act
TT-Earmuffs has requested TIME
TT-Earmuffs raises to $26.65
shamelessdave calls $14, and is all in
TT-Earmuffs shows [8d 7c 7d 9h]
shamelessdave shows [Kh Td Ks Qh]
Uncalled bet of $4.45 returned to TT-Earmuffs

*** TURN *** [9d Tc Jd] [Kc]

*** RIVER *** [9d Tc Jd Kc] [2d]

TT-Earmuffs shows a flush, Jack high
shamelessdave shows a straight, King high
TT-Earmuffs wins the pot ($44.13) with a flush, Jack high
shamelessdave is sitting out

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $46.45 | Rake $2.32
Board: [9d Tc Jd Kc 2d]
Seat 1: HotefnTuna didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: TT-Earmuffs showed [8d 7c 7d 9h] and won ($44.13) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 3: crazybettor is sitting out
Seat 4: shamelessdave (button) showed [Kh Td Ks Qh] and lost with a straight, King high
Seat 5: Bullmer (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: DoubleJJ770 (big blind) folded before the Flop
 
omaha hi-lo in a horse tournament.

this must be the most redicolous hand i've seen in a while. capped on all betting rounds past the flop. check out the final hands :eek:

Full Tilt Poker Game #12174812389: $2 + $0.25 Tournament (90907548), Table 10 - 30/60 - Limit Omaha H/L - 9:28:26 ET - 2009/05/12

Seat 1: Lord Tyrel (1,140)
Seat 2: FatJoko (1,960)
Seat 3: thelappman (1,690)
Seat 4: shamelessdave (1,590)
Seat 5: mika-667 (1,550)
Seat 6: macjay01 (1,290)
Seat 7: AeroZe (1,500)
Seat 8: nono LE BOUCAN (1,570)

shamelessdave posts the small blind of 15
mika-667 posts the big blind of 30

The button is in seat #3

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shamelessdave [9h Ac Kc 7s]

macjay01 raises to 60
AeroZe folds
nono LE BOUCAN calls 60
Lord Tyrel raises to 90
FatJoko calls 90
thelappman folds
shamelessdave folds
mika-667 raises to 120
macjay01 calls 60
nono LE BOUCAN calls 60
Lord Tyrel calls 30
FatJoko calls 30

*** FLOP *** [Ts 4c 6s]

mika-667 bets 30
macjay01 raises to 60
nono LE BOUCAN raises to 90
Lord Tyrel has 15 seconds left to act
Lord Tyrel raises to 120
mika-667 has been disconnected
mika-667 has reconnected
FatJoko folds
mika-667 calls 90
macjay01 calls 60
nono LE BOUCAN calls 30

*** TURN *** [Ts 4c 6s] [Qc]

mika-667 bets 60
macjay01 raises to 120
nono LE BOUCAN calls 120
Lord Tyrel has 15 seconds left to act
Lord Tyrel calls 120
mika-667 raises to 180
macjay01 calls 60
nono LE BOUCAN calls 60
Lord Tyrel raises to 240
mika-667 calls 60
macjay01 calls 60
nono LE BOUCAN calls 60

*** RIVER *** [Ts 4c 6s Qc] [5h]

mika-667 bets 60
macjay01 calls 60
nono LE BOUCAN calls 60
Lord Tyrel raises to 120
mika-667 raises to 180
macjay01 calls 120
nono LE BOUCAN folds
Lord Tyrel raises to 240
mika-667 calls 60
macjay01 calls 60

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Lord Tyrel shows [2d Ah Jh Td] a pair of Tens, for high and 6,5,4,2,A, for low
mika-667 shows [3c 3d Js 2s] a straight, Six high, for high and 6,5,4,3,2, for low
macjay01 shows [Th As 2h 7h] a pair of Tens, for high and 6,5,4,2,A, for low
mika-667 wins the high pot (1,418) with a straight, Six high

macjay01 ties for the low pot (709) with 6,5,4,2,A
Lord Tyrel ties for the low pot (708) with 6,5,4,2,A

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 2,835 | Rake 0

Board: [Ts 4c 6s Qc 5h]

Seat 1: Lord Tyrel showed [2d Ah Jh Td] and won (708) with HI: a pair of Tens; LO: 6,5,4,2,A
Seat 2: FatJoko folded on the Flop
Seat 3: thelappman (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: shamelessdave (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: mika-667 (big blind) showed [3c 3d Js 2s] and won (1,418) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2
Seat 6: macjay01 showed [Th As 2h 7h] and won (709) with HI: a pair of Tens; LO: 6,5,4,2,A
Seat 7: AeroZe didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: nono LE BOUCAN folded on the River
 
oooo man not my morning.

i think this is the last poker ill be playing for a long time. was up about $100 at one stage this year, that's now down to about -$100.... **** it.

lose two all in coin flips and run a full house into quads. sweet.

FullTiltPoker Game #12187447707: Table Lund (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 22:50:07 ET - 2009/05/12

Seat 1: MasterChiefs ($50.61)
Seat 2: pickurpoison ($25)
Seat 3: uwilleatfelt69 ($31.53)
Seat 4: shamelessdave ($24.96)
Seat 5: y2knonsense69 ($48.57)
Seat 6: golferbabb ($25)

uwilleatfelt69 posts the small blind of $0.10
shamelessdave posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to shamelessdave [Js Jd 8h 6d]
y2knonsense69 folds
golferbabb folds
MasterChiefs raises to $0.85
pickurpoison folds
uwilleatfelt69 calls $0.75
shamelessdave calls $0.60 (pretty lose call but this guy was raising about 40% of pots)

*** FLOP *** [8c Ts Jc]

uwilleatfelt69 checks
shamelessdave bets $2.55
MasterChiefs raises to $10.20
uwilleatfelt69 folds
shamelessdave raises to $24.11, and is all in
MasterChiefs calls $13.91
shamelessdave shows [Js Jd 8h 6d]
MasterChiefs shows [Ah Qc 6c Kh]

*** TURN *** [8c Ts Jc] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [8c Ts Jc Qs] [7h]

shamelessdave shows three of a kind, Jacks
MasterChiefs shows a straight, Ace high
MasterChiefs wins the pot ($48.24) with a straight, Ace high
shamelessdave is sitting out

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $50.77 | Rake $2.53

Board: [8c Ts Jc Qs 7h]

Seat 1: MasterChiefs showed [Ah Qc 6c Kh] and won ($48.24) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 2: pickurpoison (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: uwilleatfelt69 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: shamelessdave (big blind) showed [Js Jd 8h 6d] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 5: y2knonsense69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: golferbabb didn't bet (folded)

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FullTiltPoker Game #12187747369: Table Ashby (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 23:07:45 ET - 2009/05/12

Seat 1: matos63 ($24.61)
Seat 2: goonbaya ($32.61)
Seat 3: shamelessdave ($30.49)
Seat 4: King_lewis8 ($25)
Seat 5: P_IIIVVVEEEYYY ($30.82)
Seat 6: bluefinger ($15.05)

matos63 posts the small blind of $0.10
goonbaya posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #6

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to shamelessdave [8d Js Ks Jd]
shamelessdave raises to $0.85
King_lewis8 folds
bluefinger calls $0.85
matos63 raises to $3.65
goonbaya folds
shamelessdave has 15 seconds left to act
shamelessdave calls $2.80 (lose-ish call again but he was playing face up now - he always has AAxx in this spot)
bluefinger calls $2.80

*** FLOP *** [Qc Tc 9d]

matos63 bets $11.20
shamelessdave has 15 seconds left to act
shamelessdave raises to $26.84, and is all in
bluefinger folds
matos63 calls $9.76, and is all in
shamelessdave shows [8d Js Ks Jd]
matos63 shows [Kc 4d As Ac]
Uncalled bet of $5.88 returned to shamelessdave

*** TURN *** [Qc Tc 9d] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Tc 9d 8c] [7h]

shamelessdave shows a straight, King high
matos63 shows a flush, Ace high
matos63 wins the pot ($50.47) with a flush, Ace high

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $53.12 | Rake $2.65

Board: [Qc Tc 9d 8c 7h]

Seat 1: matos63 (small blind) showed [Kc 4d As Ac] and won ($50.47) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: goonbaya (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: shamelessdave showed [8d Js Ks Jd] and lost with a straight, King high
Seat 4: King_lewis8 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: P_IIIVVVEEEYYY is sitting out
Seat 6: bluefinger (button) folded on the Flop

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FullTiltPoker Game #12187807763: Table Nick (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 23:11:01 ET - 2009/05/12

Seat 1: cracku69 ($37.96)
Seat 2: soydr ($24.63)
Seat 3: Papalao ($15.73)
Seat 4: shamelessdave ($44.94)
Seat 5: doctor158 ($4.15)
Seat 6: Mucker79 ($11.73)

Mucker79 posts the small blind of $0.10
cracku69 posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #5

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to shamelessdave [Tc Qc Td As]
soydr calls $0.25
Papalao calls $0.25
shamelessdave calls $0.25
doctor158 calls $0.25
Mucker79 folds
cracku69 checks

*** FLOP *** [5h Ts 5c]

cracku69 checks
soydr checks
Papalao checks
shamelessdave checks
doctor158 checks

*** TURN *** [5h Ts 5c] [4s]

cracku69 bets $0.67
soydr has 15 seconds left to act
soydr calls $0.67
Papalao folds
shamelessdave raises to $1.60
doctor158 folds
cracku69 raises to $6.82
soydr folds
shamelessdave calls $5.22

*** RIVER *** [5h Ts 5c 4s] [3d]

cracku69 bets $7.83
shamelessdave raises to $23.49
cracku69 raises to $30.89, and is all in
shamelessdave calls $7.40

*** SHOW DOWN ***

cracku69 shows [5s 5d Jc Ac] four of a kind, Fives
shamelessdave mucks
cracku69 wins the pot ($74.44) with four of a kind, Fives

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $77.44 | Rake $3

Board: [5h Ts 5c 4s 3d]

Seat 1: cracku69 (big blind) showed [5s 5d Jc Ac] and won ($74.44) with four of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: soydr folded on the Turn
Seat 3: Papalao folded on the Turn
Seat 4: shamelessdave mucked [Tc Qc Td As] - a full house, Tens full of Fives
Seat 5: doctor158 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Mucker79 (small blind) folded before the Flop

down $135 since the mid of april i am at the moment - having a disastrous run. ever since i changed from desktop computer to laptop - a sign?? whatever.
 

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