The Saints and the Draft

[Kildonan]

Tough draft for Saints drafting guru John Beveridge.

I have been looking at the hopefuls and sorted them out somewhat into rankings based on position / type:

Medium Forwards
Pfeiffer, Darren - Norwood, SA
Thomas, Dale - Gippsland Power, VIC
Seal, Matthew - East Perth, WA
Jackson, Ryan - Northern Knights, VIC
Kelleher, Brad - Eastern Ranges, VIC
McKinley, Ben - Northern Knights, VIC
Dzufer, Daniel - Suncoast Lions, QLD
Crook, Marcus - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Dempsey, Courtney - Morningside, QLD
Grant, Grae - Perth, WA


Medium Defenders
Hurn, Shannon - Central Districts, SA
Douglas, Richard - Calder Cannons, VIC
Ellis, Xavier - Gippsland Power, VIC
Toovey, Alan - Claremont, WA
Stanley, Danny - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Thomas, Matthew - Sandringham Dragons, VIC
Looby, Tim - Murray Bushrangers, VIC
Lower, Ed - Norwood, SA
Ibbotson, Garrick - East Fremantle, WA
Riggio, Matt - Peel Thunder, WA


Small/Medium Midfielders
Murphy, Marc - Oakleigh Chargers, VIC
Swallow, Andrew - East Fremantle, WA
Jones, Nathan - Dandenong Stingrays, VIC
Varcoe, Travis - Central Districts, SA
Lonergan, Sam – Mariners, TAS
Simpkin, Jonothan - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Elliott, Sam - South Adelaide, SA
Iles, Sam - Clarence, TAS
Addison, Dylan - St George, NSW
Eddy, Robert - Gippsland Power, VIC


Medium Midfielders
Higgins, Shaun - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Bode, Jace - Sturt, SA
Pendlebury, Scott - Gippsland Power, VIC
Oakley-Nicholls, Jarrad - East Perth, WA
Muston, Beau - Murray Bushrangers, VIC
Gamble, Ryan - Glenelg, SA
Grigg, Shaun - Nth Ballarat Rebels, VIC
Laidlaw, Matthew - Oakleigh Chargers, VIC
Lower, Nick - Norwood, SA
Casserley, Travis - Swan Districts, WA
Thornton, Kristin - Peel Thunder, WA

Ruckmen
McEntee, Luke - North Adelaide, SA
Ryder, Patrick - East Fremantle, WA
Warnock, Robert - Sandringham Dragons, VIC
West, Trent - Gippsland Power, VIC
Banjamin, Andrew - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Graham, Angus - Calder Cannons/Tas, TAS
Bailey, Max - West Perth, WA
Wall, James - Calder Cannons, VIC
White, Jessie - Southport, QLD


Tall Forwards
Dowler, Beau - Oakleigh Chargers, VIC
Hughes, Cleve - Norwood, SA
Kennedy, Josh - East Fremantle, WA
Clark, Mitchell - East Fremantle, WA
Grima, Todd - Northern Bombers, TAS
Rischbieth, Tom - Sturt, SA
West, Michael - Redlands, QLD
Ainger, Andrew - Oakleigh Chargers, VIC
Cheetham, Jon - North Adelaide, SA
Roffey, Nate - Mt Gravatt, QLD


Tall Defenders
Bower, Paul - Peel Thunder, WA
Obst, Alan - Central Districts, SA
Drum, Marcus - Murray Bushrangers, VIC
Birchall, Grant - Devonport, TAS
Markovic, Lucas – Eastern Ranges, VIC
Lucy, Austin - Suncoast Lions, QLD
Spangher, Matthew - Eastern Ranges, VIC
Taggert, Ben - East Fremantle, WA
Mills, Wayde - Southport, QLD
Gilbert, Sam - Southport, QLD
Tyler, Matthew - North Ballarat, VIC
Carlile, Alipate - Murray Bushrangers, VIC


I have been interested because I feel that we may snag a midfielder with our first pick and I've been wondering who will be left by the time we get to pick.

 

[Kildonan]

This is how I think they will go:

1. Carlton1 - Marc Murphy (Oakleigh Chargers)
2. Collingwood1 - Shannon Hurn (Central District)
3. Hawthorn1 - Patrick Ryder (East Fremantle)
4. Carlton2 - Beau Dowler (Oakleigh Chargers)
5. Collingwood2 – Dale Thomas (Gippsland Power)
6. Hawthorn2 - Josh Kennedy (East Fremantle)
7. Essendon1 - Xavier Ellis (Gippsland Power)
8. Richmond1 - Marcus Drum (Murray Bushrangers)
9. Brisbane1 - Cleve Hughes (Norwood)
10. Fremantle1 – Mitchell Clark (East Fremantle)
11. Western Bulldogs1 – Shaun Higgins (Geelong Falcons)
12. Melbourne1 – Nathan Jones (Dandenong Stingrays)
13. West Coast1 – Grant Birchall (Devonport)
14. Hawthorn3 – Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (East Perth)
15. Geelong1 - Scott Pendlebury (Gippsland Power)
16. Adelaide1 - Darren Pfeiffer (Norwood)
17. Adelaide2 – Travis Varcoe (Central District)
18. Hawthorn4 – Richard Douglas (Calder Cannons)
19. Essendon2 – Andrew Swallow (East Fremantle)
20. Carlton3 - Paul Bower (Peel Thunder)
21. Collingwood3 - Alan Obst (Central Districts)
22. Hawthorn5 - Beau Muston (Murray Bushrangers)
23. Collingwood4 - Luke McEntee (North Adelaide)
24. Richmond2 - Jace Bode (Sturt)
25. Brisbane2 - Austin Lucy (Caloundra)
26. Fremantle2 - Tom Rischbieth (Sturt)
27. Western Bulldogs2 – Todd Grima (Northern Bombers)
28. Kangaroos1 - Alan Toovey (Claremont)
29. West Coast2 - Matt Seal (East Perth)
30. Port Adelaide1 – Ryan Jackson (Northern Knights)
31. Geelong2 - Ben McKinley (Northern Knights)
32. Adelaide3 - Trent West (Gippsland Power)

 

[Kildonan]

Pick 33 St Kilda ??

So who's left?

Medium Forwards
Pfeiffer, Darren - Norwood, SA
Thomas, Dale - Gippsland Power, VIC
Seal, Matthew - East Perth, WA
Jackson, Ryan - Northern Knights, VIC
Kelleher, Brad - Eastern Ranges, VIC
McKinley, Ben - Northern Knights, VIC
Dzufer, Daniel - Suncoast Lions, QLD
Crook, Marcus - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Dempsey, Courtney - Morningside, QLD
Grant, Grae - Perth, WA


Medium Defenders
Hurn, Shannon - Central Districts, SA
Douglas, Richard - Calder Cannons, VIC
Ellis, Xavier - Gippsland Power, VIC
Toovey, Alan - Claremont, WA
Stanley, Danny - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Thomas, Matthew - Sandringham Dragons, VIC
Looby, Tim - Murray Bushrangers, VIC
Lower, Ed - Norwood, SA
Ibbotson, Garrick - East Fremantle, WA
Riggio, Matt - Peel Thunder, WA


Small/Medium Midfielders
Murphy, Marc - Oakleigh Chargers, VIC
Swallow, Andrew - East Fremantle, WA
Jones, Nathan - Dandenong Stingrays, VIC
Varcoe, Travis - Central Districts, SA
Lonergan, Sam – Mariners, TAS
Simpkin, Jonothan - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Elliott, Sam - South Adelaide, SA
Iles, Sam - Clarence, TAS
Addison, Dylan - St George, NSW
Eddy, Robert - Gippsland Power, VIC


Medium Midfielders
Higgins, Shaun - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Bode, Jace - Sturt, SA
Pendlebury, Scott - Gippsland Power, VIC
Oakley-Nicholls, Jarrad - East Perth, WA
Muston, Beau - Murray Bushrangers, VIC
Gamble, Ryan - Glenelg, SA
Grigg, Shaun - Nth Ballarat Rebels, VIC
Laidlaw, Matthew - Oakleigh Chargers, VIC
Lower, Nick - Norwood, SA
Casserley, Travis - Swan Districts, WA
Thornton, Kristin - Peel Thunder, WA

Ruckmen
McEntee, Luke - North Adelaide, SA
Ryder, Patrick - East Fremantle, WA
Warnock, Robert - Sandringham Dragons, VIC
West, Trent - Gippsland Power, VIC
Banjamin, Andrew - Geelong Falcons, VIC
Graham, Angus - Calder Cannons/Tas, TAS
Bailey, Max - West Perth, WA
Wall, James - Calder Cannons, VIC
White, Jessie - Southport, QLD


Tall Forwards
Dowler, Beau - Oakleigh Chargers, VIC
Hughes, Cleve - Norwood, SA
Kennedy, Josh - East Fremantle, WA
Clark, Mitchell - East Fremantle, WA
Grima, Todd - Northern Bombers, TAS
Rischbieth, Tom - Sturt, SA
West, Michael - Redlands, QLD
Ainger, Andrew - Oakleigh Chargers, VIC
Cheetham, Jon - North Adelaide, SA
Roffey, Nate - Mt Gravatt, QLD


Tall Defenders
Bower, Paul - Peel Thunder, WA
Obst, Alan - Central Districts, SA
Drum, Marcus - Murray Bushrangers, VIC
Birchall, Grant - Devonport, TAS
Markovic, Lucas – Eastern Ranges, VIC
Lucy, Austin - Suncoast Lions, QLD
Spangher, Matthew - Eastern Ranges, VIC
Taggert, Ben - East Fremantle, WA
Mills, Wayde - Southport, QLD
Gilbert, Sam - Southport, QLD
Tyler, Matthew - North Ballarat, VIC
Carlile, Alipate - Murray Bushrangers, VIC

 

[Kildonan]

Who would you choose?

 

[Kildonan]

Just to complicate matters, these delisted players have nominated for Saturday's NAB AFL Draft.

Steven Armstrong, Melbourne;
John Baird, Kangaroos;
Marc Bullen, Essendon;
David Clarke, Carlton;
Damian Cupido, Essendon;
Tom Davidson, Collingwood;
Ben Fixter, Sydney;
Stephen Gilham, Port Adelaide;
Kasey Green, West Coast;
Steven Greene, Hawthorn;
Ben Haynes, Essendon;
David Haynes, Geelong;
Jeremy Humm, West Coast;
Sam Hunt, Essendon;
Cameron Hunter, Melbourne;
Brett Johnson, Carlton;
Ben Kane, Hawthorn;
David King, Collingwood;
Tom Logan, Brisbane Lions;
Matthew Lokan, Collingwood;
Brett Montgomery, Port Adelaide;
Digby Morrell, Carlton;
Shane Morrison, Richmond;
William Morrison, Collingwood;
Bo Nixon, Hawthorn;
Luke Peel, Port Adelaide;
Dylan Pfitzner, St Kilda;
Lance Picioane, Kangaroos;
Leigh Ryswyk, Brisbane Lions;
Jacob Schuback, Adelaide;
Brayden Shaw, Collingwood;
Kris Shore, Kangaroos;
Andrew Siegert, Fremantle;
Will Slade, Geelong;
Dylan Smith, Fremantle;
Matthew Smith, Adelaide;
Llane Spaanderman, Brisbane Lions;
Michael Stevens, Kangaroos;
Toby Stribling, Fremantle;
Jarrad Sundqvist, Sydney;
Iszac Thompson, Western Bulldogs;
Ashley Watson, Kangaroos;
Shane Woewodin, Collingwood;
Ty Zantuck, Essendon

Which suggests to me that we will only pick up two players from the draft and reinstate Pfitzner as the third draftee.

 

[luckysaint48]

makes sense that we'd only make two 'real' selections. it's a weak draft, and i expect there to be a clean out at the end of next year, whether we have a premiership or not, to coincide with the superdraft.

 

[Joffaboy]

makes sense that we'd only make two 'real' selections. it's a weak draft, and i expect there to be a clean out at the end of next year, whether we have a premiership or not, to coincide with the superdraft.

Yup. We have already made our first pick in trade week.

Dylan Pfitzner is the word for one of the picks, possibly even No 33.

that leaves just two more, one being Eames from the Scorps, and last being Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanderman.

(Dont know about Eames and Spaaaaaaaaaaanderman, but Pfitzner looks like a good thing).

 

[Kildonan]

Hey Joffaboy, John Beveridge indicated that he prob go for young draftees this season to maintain some sort of balance with age coming through (on Saints chat) so that would prob rule Eames out (but you never know eh?)

 

[MC_Gusto]

don't think we'd use 33 on pfitzner...

 

[Kildonan]

Burgatron VI
The Full List

Points of Interest:

Rated higher than I expected:
2 (7) - COLLINGWOOD - Xavier Ellis (Gippsland Power), VIC
11 (33+) - WESTERN BULLDOGS - Courtney Dempsey (Morningside) QLD
15 (33+) - GEELONG - Daniel Stanley (Geelong Falcons), VIC
23 (33+) - COLLINGWOOD - Sam Gilbert (Southport), QLD
25 (33+) - BRISBANE LIONS - Kasey Green (West Coast), WA
28 (33+) - KANGAROOS - Tim Looby (Murray Bushrangers), VIC
36 (33+) - CARLTON - Jake Edwards (Western Jets), VIC

Rated lower than I expected:
16 (2) - ADELAIDE - Shannon Hurn (Central District), SA
26 (19) - FREMANTLE - Andrew Swallow (East Fremantle), WA
29 (20) - WEST COAST - Paul Bower (Peel Thunder), WA
47 (27) - GEELONG - Todd Grima (Northern Bombers), TAS
48 (24) - ADELAIDE - Jace Bode (Sturt), SA
56 (21) - BRISBANE LIONS - Alan Obst (Central District), SA

Players not listed:
Matthew Seal (East Perth), WA
Brad Kelleher (Eastern Ranges), VIC
Lucas Markovic (Eastern Ranges), VIC
Sam Elliott (South Adelaide), SA

If Matt Burgan's picks were to occur, who would be available for the Saints at pick #33?

Jace Bode (Medium Midfielder) Sturt, SA
Alan Obst (Tall Defender) Central Districts, SA
Lucas Marcovic (Tall Defender) Eastern Ranges, VIC
Wayde Mills (Tall Defender) Southport, QLD *Matt Burgan's pick 33
Todd Grima (Tall Forward) Northern Bombers, TAS
Robert Warnock (Ruck) Sandringham Dragons, VIC
Matthew Seal (Medium Forward) East Perth, WA
Ryan Jackson (Medium Forward) Northern Knights, VIC

 

[Joffaboy]

Hey Joffaboy, John Beveridge indicated that he prob go for young draftees this season to maintain some sort of balance with age coming through (on Saints chat) so that would prob rule Eames out (but you never know eh?)

Well really mate i haven't got a clue about drafting (most people would say I haven't a clue about most things). However it seems we will pick up Dylan Pfitzner again which is good. He really needs to put on some muscle or he will go by the way of Josh Houlihan, a lot of skill but not the body for the rigours of AFL.

The others are a gamble. Not even Kevin Sheahan knew about Jimmy Gwilt at #62 last season so who knows what JB is cooking up

Interesting that he is looking for younger players for balance. Could be taken in a couple of ways
1) he was attempting to put the kabosh on us drafting a recycled player ala Mark McGough or
2) As you interperated it is just young 18 y.o.s.

Has been an ongoing policy to pick up the best player available and has worked well with players such as Gwilt and Sam Fisher. Would be suprised to see him change this policy.

Anyway for more Saints draft talk, heres a thread from Saintsational

http://www.saintsational.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16182&sid=c3ba9e2db183aa3531236fdaa63e122b

 

[Snickers]

I would love kasey green as a half back flanker

 

[Kildonan]

This is how I went (red number is actual draft number):

1. 1 Carlton1 - Marc Murphy (Oakleigh Chargers)
2. 13 Collingwood1 - Shannon Hurn (Central District)
3. 7 Hawthorn1 - Patrick Ryder (East Fremantle)
4. 6 Carlton2 - Beau Dowler (Oakleigh Chargers)
5. 2 Collingwood2 – Dale Thomas (Gippsland Power)
6. 4 Hawthorn2 - Josh Kennedy (East Fremantle)
7. 3 Essendon1 - Xavier Ellis (Gippsland Power)
8. 10 Richmond1 - Marcus Drum (Murray Bushrangers)
9. 24 Brisbane1 - Cleve Hughes (Norwood)
10. 9 Fremantle1 – Mitchell Clark (East Fremantle)
11. 11 Western Bulldogs1 – Shaun Higgins (Geelong Falcons)
12. 12 Melbourne1 – Nathan Jones (Dandenong Stingrays)
13. 14 West Coast1 – Grant Birchall (Devonport)
14. 8 Hawthorn3 – Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (East Perth)
15. 5 Geelong1 - Scott Pendlebury (Gippsland Power)
16. 17 Adelaide1 - Darren Pfeiffer (Norwood)
17. 15 Adelaide2 – Travis Varcoe (Central District)
18. 16 Hawthorn4 – Richard Douglas (Calder Cannons)
19. 43 Essendon2 – Andrew Swallow (East Fremantle)
20. 20 Carlton3 - Paul Bower (Peel Thunder)
21. 48 Collingwood3 - Alan Obst (Central Districts)
22. 22 Hawthorn5 - Beau Muston (Murray Bushrangers)
23. ?? Collingwood4 - Luke McEntee (North Adelaide)
24. ?? Richmond2 - Jace Bode (Sturt)
25. 66 Brisbane2 - Austin Lucy (Caloundra)
26. ?? Fremantle2 - Tom Rischbieth (Sturt)
27. ?? Western Bulldogs2 – Todd Grima (Northern Bombers)
28. ?? Kangaroos1 - Alan Toovey (Claremont)
29. ?? West Coast2 - Matt Seal (East Perth)
30. ?? Port Adelaide1 – Ryan Jackson (Northern Knights)
31. 29 Geelong2 - Ben McKinley (Northern Knights)
32. 31 Adelaide3 - Trent West (Gippsland Power)

 

[Kildonan]

Who did we get?

#33 St Kilda Sam Gilbert SOUTHPORT 19-08-1986 193.7 81.8
- to replentish our tall defensive stocks
#49 St Kilda Michael Rix COBURG 08-01-1981 199 95
- to add depth to our ruck stocks
#63 St Kilda Phillip Raymond GLENELG 24-06-1987 185.6 69.25
- medium forward
#71 St Kilda Justin Sweeney TYABB 25-12-1987
- don't know anything about him

 

[Kildonan]

Sam Gilbert
Club: Southport
DOB: 19 August 1986 Hgt: 193.7cm Wgt: 81.8kg
Position: Defender
Natural Foot: Left

Honours
QLD U-18 Rep 2004
AFL Draft Camp 2005
AFLQ Rising Star 2005

Background:
Tall defender who was a state under-18 rep for QLD in 2004. As a 19 year old this year, the late developing Gilbert was one of Southport’s better players in the AFLQ this season and took out the league Rising Star award. He was part of the Victoria v Allies match at Optus Oval in late September and was among the best players on the ground with his attacking play off the half back line. His best test at draft camp was in the 3km run. The athletic, agile Gilbert, tipped to be picked in the middle to late part of the draft, is another late starter, playing rugby league as a kid and representing Queensland in cross-country running.

Strengths:
- Terrific season in the ever improving Queensland state league
- Late developer
- Height

 

[Qsaint]

So 4 picks, does that leave us a pick in the preseason, and is Phitzer gone?

 

[sammm]

So 4 picks, does that leave us a pick in the preseason, and is Phitzer gone?

could either use the pick in the preseasn for phitzner, or the rookie draft.

 

[Qsaint]

could either use the pick in the preseasn for phitzner, or the rookie draft.

Can we rookie him again? I don't think we have any rookies left so there would be a couple of picks at least.

 

[sammm]

Can we rookie him again? I don't think we have any rookies left so there would be a couple of picks at least.

we have 1 rookie from last year, and can rookie phitzner again. he is only 20. i think the saints have either 3 more rookie spots. depend on player payments, what happens with penny. the rumour is he is retiring!

 

[Qsaint]

we have 1 rookie from last year, and can rookie phitzner again. he is only 20. i think the saints have either 3 more rookie spots. depend on player payments, what happens with penny. the rumour is he is retiring!

I thought mathews? was delisted so who's left?

 

[Joffaboy]

I thought mathews? was delisted so who's left?

Mullins gone halfway through the season.

Pfitzner to be rookied is the word.

Now Penny has gawn (or seems to be) may also have a pre-Season draft pick as well.

Would think we would be looking at a defender if there is one about.

 

[Qsaint]

Mullins gone halfway through the season.

Pfitzner to be rookied is the word.

Now Penny has gawn (or seems to be) may also have a pre-Season draft pick as well.

Would think we would be looking at a defender if there is one about.

Mullins, didn't hear alot about him.

So maybe a preseason pick and hopefully a midfielder as well on the rookie list

We now have 3 ruckman and a utility in Blake

Enough tall forwards for two teams but only one tall (If Penny goes) and 3 medium talls in defence (4 if you include Raf) and 4 midfielders who will be gone in a year or two.

 

[Flying Joey]

im excited about the last two picks we got.. played footy with raymond and he has come from 2nds school footy to the premium forward in the comp.. an athlete and a footballer and can play absolutely anywhere, but more suited to wing/forward line.. played fullforward and was good enough to take one-on-one marks and pack marks, even though his weight wouldnt show it...