There is a saying

[The Bententez]

You pay peanuts

You get monkeys


The descion to appoint Rhode as our coach was the worst descion this club has made since they made Royce Hart our coach.

We needed a fresh start and new ideas,if you look at the practice matches and the wizard cup to (Quate Talking Heads ) its the same as it ever was, same as it ever was,the game structure is still all the same .

Please spare me Smorgo and Edmond they were impressed by his powerpoint presentation,a kindergarden kid can now do that.


The BEN

 

[Bulldog1954]

Your decision to post that was surely one of the worst decisions you have made. If you think we have made a terrible appointment based on 3 meaningless practice games means your quite simply as dumb as dog ****

 

[Westy_Boy]

Originally posted by The Bententez
You pay peanuts

You get monkeys

How much did we pay Malthouse in his first seaosn with us? You reckon Pagan was on a lucrative contract when North hired him as a rookie coach in '93? Did Sheedy and Matthews start on comparable salaries to the highest paid coaches in the league at the time?

I don't see what other options we had - I mean, we could have put our livelihood on the line and spent $800,000 p.a. on a Pagan (who incidently hasn't performed any better with his new team than Rhode has), but would have had to forego the $1mil dollar grant for the next three seasons ... are we in a position to gamble $5mil over the next few years?

Or maybe we should have spent half a million a year on a 'high profile', but still unproven coach in the Watson mould, like Dermie or Garry Lyon? Maybe a Brittain/Frawley type high priced assistant - O'Donnel and Harvey were options ... until they counted themselves out by saying they wouldn't accept jobs with clubs who had restrictions on their salary caps - is that who you'd rather, people who want an easy ride handed to them on a silver platter, and can't be arsed tackling a couple of hurdles along the way?

From what I've seen, Rhode's a smart bloke, has a proven track record in a senior role (which is better than any of the other rookie coaches available), knows the list inside out, seems highly respected by the playing group, and probably most importantly, is someone who is super hungry to prove himself and couldn't give two shlts about the difficulties he has to work with (poor facilities, less assistants, 95% of the cap, smaller footy department budget etc). Don't know how good a coach he'll be, but I think I'll wait 'til I've seen him coach an official game or 50 before I pass judgement.

look at the practice matches

Have a look at a couple of last year's as well while you're at it.

Melbourne - 68 point loss to St Kilda, followed with 104 point loss to Adelaide. 6 months later they were about 10 minutes away from a Prelim.

Collingwood - 80 point loss to Sydney, 60 point loss to North. Come September, they went within 9 points of a premiership.

 

[OldSchool]

Ben, Wallace was considered a maestro and yet we went backwards over the last four years under his coaching.
When you dont have the players, you dont get the results.
We run the whole football dept with a no frills structure and that is the only reason why we dont pay Rohde the type of money other coaches receive. Give him a go.

 

[Dry Rot]

This thread looks a little premature to me. And even if the team goes poorly, I'd first look at the cattle.

Did Rohde treat Penny badly (in his eyes)? No

Did Rohde instruct Clayton as what players he wanted, since Clayton starting doing our drafts? No

Is Rohde responsible for so few 24 - 28 year players of quality or so few talls? No

3 clubs took on rookie coaches this year. They're probably best judged at the end of the season, not at the start.

 

[stefoid]

Tall order to ask the team to turn around 6 years of bad habits in 3 games.

My Prediction:
We will have a poor start to the year, but finish strongly.

Also, a lot of our players have so few games under their belts that 8 or 10 games will significantly add to their seniors experience.

All I ask is that Rhodes sticks to his guns and plays the guys we need to fire, even when they arent, and resists the temptation to try to scrape early wins at the expense of long term success. i.e. by playing midget forward lines etc...

 

[chels_09]

Rohde is an asset to our club. Practice matchs are for PRACTICE to work out whats working and whats not, and we are doing that.

Rohde has changed the image of the club, do you notice all the good press this year, funny how all that bad stugg leaves when wallace does.

Wallace couldn't care less what the players were doing in there time off, Rohde is making them get off thier bums and into school or jobs, about bloody time.

It is to early to judge Rohde, yet from what i have seen so far, i truly believe he will take this club along way, not just on the field.

 

[SCRAY72]

Rohde is respected by the players and that is all that matters to me. It means the players will listen to the message and play to the best of their abilities.
Wallace coached poorly in 2002 and was not worthy of $450,000 a year. Must have had other things on his mind.

 

[dancingdoggie17]

Last year Terry Wallace was driving home from training in a brand new monaro. Did we win a flag?

 

[Mr. Walker]

Too early to call yet. Give Rhode sometime to prove himself even Blight lasted longer at St. Kilda. There are some worrying signs that have been discussed on other threads but it is only practice match time and the coach is probably experimenting with plays lineups etc. I have spoken to him personally and you may well be surprised but he seemed to know a little more than me about football.
Our history in the pre-season cup has been ordinary even in the 1997-98 period, I was hoping for more and to see some real improvement in the young players but it is not so yet. Give the coach some time to see what hand he has been dealt and to work on strategies.

 

[The Bententez]

reply

Your missing the point

Where all the right avenues and coaching applicants screened by the right people?

I don’t think so.


Maybe Rhode is the man but surely we should have covered every avenue before that descion was made

It’s time this club become more professional and stop taking their fan base for granted.

 

[Captain Sensible]

I can understand your point TB but the search took long enough to suggest to me that they assessed everyone and Rohde was the correct man for a number of reasons



The biggest worry for me was the commitee which conducted the search had only one guy on it with actual playing experience.

 

[The Bententez]

Thats my point

That same man took his bag and ball and went to the swans for money


Heres my Selection panel that I have would have chosen.


Malcom blight(say no more)

Terry Wheeler( no hows to commuciate with todays youth)

Gary Lyon( Smart and well spoken and has a football brain)

David Smorgan( Smart Bussiseman)

Robert Walls(Can be D head at times but has held a premiership up in his hand and knows what it takes.


Ok it might have cost us 100,000 but this was one of the most important descions in this clubs history why not spend that.




The Ben

 

[bulldogs1]

Summed up my feelings exactly. Ta.

Originally posted by stefoid
Tall order to ask the team to turn around 6 years of bad habits in 3 games.

My Prediction:
We will have a poor start to the year, but finish strongly.

Also, a lot of our players have so few games under their belts that 8 or 10 games will significantly add to their seniors experience.

All I ask is that Rhodes sticks to his guns and plays the guys we need to fire, even when they arent, and resists the temptation to try to scrape early wins at the expense of long term success. i.e. by playing midget forward lines etc...

 

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by The Bententez
Thats my point

That same man took his bag and ball and went to the swans for money


Heres my Selection panel that I have would have chosen.


Malcom blight(say no more)

Terry Wheeler( no hows to commuciate with todays youth)

Gary Lyon( Smart and well spoken and has a football brain)

David Smorgan( Smart Bussiseman)

Robert Walls(Can be D head at times but has held a premiership up in his hand and knows what it takes.


Ok it might have cost us 100,000 but this was one of the most important descions in this clubs history why not spend that.




The Ben

why would you want to spend up to 100k when we don't have that sort of money?

And for the amount of money we were able to offer it what are the odds it would have resulted in Rhodes being nominated the best man in the circumstances.

 

[sigscotty]

Rohde he is obvioulsy not up to it. Open up your eyes people, we have lost 2 practise matches, 1 to a team that followed up by beating Brisbane, and the other to a side that will be top 4. Obvioulsy beating last years minor premier should not be given as much weight as these results, as...um...why is that Ben?

Some other points of thought to add to Westy's.

Do you think the Roos spent 100k before deciding on Pagan? the most successfull coach of the following decade.

The Saints spent plenty on 'getting it right'...how many games did Mal Blight last again?

I reckon after 6 years, 4 finals appearances (3 top 4 finishes. Try finding another 6 year period EVER in the club's history that gets close to matching that), and assembling an amazing batch of youngsters, i think maybe doing things drastically different isn't neccassary. So a guy that has been a part of it, knows and is known very well at the club, that has coached a senior premiership...well i reckon you need to at least wait til he doesn't have a 100% win record in premiership season matches before labeling his appointment the 'worst descion this club has made since they made Royce Hart our coach.' I mean geez, weren't you around when we drafted Jacko?

 

[Bulldog1954]

Most of that selection panel you suggested couldn't give a cows behind what happens to the Dogs. And how do you know how vigorous the screening process was, were you there or are you just assuming we just went for Rohde because he was cheap. To criticise the selection of coach before the season starts is incredibly stupid

 

[Derek Zoolander]

Originally posted by sigscotty
[Bwe have lost 2 practise matches, 1 to a team that followed up by beating Brisbane, and the other to a side that will be top 4. [/B]

Add to that - He has never lost a match being played for premiership points...

 

[sigscotty]

Originally posted by Sporty Spice
Add to that - He has never lost a match being played for premiership points...

After 1 game this is not such a big deal...if we are still saying it in, say 5 years time however...

Unless its cos he gets sacked before round 1 ofcourse.

 

[The Bententez]

Why would you want to spend up to 100k when we don't have that sort of money?

I’ve over estimated lets say 40k

And how do you know how vigorous the screening process was, were you there or are you just assuming

If you read Newspapers it was public Knowledge that it was only Jim Edmonds and Smorgo interview for the positon

P.s Enough of the stubid 54 or I will have to come and chop up your Roses and Vandalise your Northcote leadlight windows


Scenario 1

You own a mult- million-dollar business; your general manager leaves and you decide to appoint a new one internally.
The company goes broke and your shareholders want to know why the right man wasn’t appointed and why the interview process wasn’t more thorough. You have no come back you lose your job and the company goes into liquidation say no more


Scenario 2

You own a mult- million dollar business, your general manager leaves and you decide to appoint a new one

You form a committee of 5 people from different areas but all with the same background and interview all people interested,and find the right person internally.
The company goes broke, but you can assure your shareholders that there was an extensive process to find the right person but it never worked out,.and all involved tried their hardest.




We are a mult- million-dollar company and we let a player who has never coached AFL football, who left the club for money and a great businessman interview for our coaching position
Do you really believe that this is the right process and if you do I hope you all never have to either appoint a coach or run a mult millon dollar buisness .


Also 1954 I’m not bagging Rhode
. Do I think Rhode is the man?. No
But he deserves a chance

I’m sick of this club taking its members for cranted; example family day cancelled (No reason why) moving the social club from level 2 to level 1(No reason why).
Walking into the social club in 2001 and not one red white and blue memorabilia to be seen(No reason why).

I can go on but I wont I love this club and have for a long time and want it to survive and to start the ball rolling the club should start looking after its members now

weren't you around when we drafted Jacko?
Yes and Cary Cowton

The Saints spent plenty on 'getting it right'...how many games did Mal Blight last again?
Blighty has won two flags played in two flags

Who do you really think got it right a basket club or the above

The BEN

 

[Larry6]

Originally posted by The Bententez
You pay peanuts

You get monkeys

Hey I get paid peanuts and I don't consider myself to be a monkey.

 

[Derek Zoolander]

Originally posted by The Bententez

Scenario 2

You own a mult- million dollar business, your general manager leaves and you decide to appoint a new one

You form a committee of 5 people from different areas but all with the same background and interview all people interested,and find the right person internally.
The company goes broke, but you can assure your shareholders that there was an extensive process to find the right person but it never worked out,.and all involved tried their hardest.

If you were analysing why my multi billion dollar company went bust and the best you came up with was "the tried their hardest" i'd call you a toss pot and belt the living crap out of you

Your comparison is not a good one - That's ok, i'm sure you tried your hardest.

 

[stefoid]

Rhodes is saying all the right things as far as Im concerned. At least he is trying to steer us into the kind of team that can win finals, which is more than I can say for Wallet.

The players like him and respect him, so we can assume they want to do what he is telling them to do.

Id defy anyone to radically change a game plan that has been in place 6 years in only 4 months. Remember our most successful season in 97, we got done by Fremantle in the first H&A game -- it was a very average performance). But we kicked on.

 

[Fossie 32]

Yes, 'big call' as they say after one game and 100% success in H&A season Ben...or do your friends call you Bent?

PS Thanks for the piece of the MCG, I treasure that. I stuck it on the wall above my bed.