Tim Paine

[frankrizzo]

Paine improved the way the team behaved and thats what the majority of people wanted if the people wanted a team that wouldn't lose at home they wouldnt have called for lengthy or even life bans for their star batsmen.

I didn't agree with the bans but i accepted them and expected this loss but these chicken shits who wanted to be so smugly superior when the players ****ed up but now cant stand losing to kohli and co are pathetic, the players made their bed but so did all those wanting the bans, suck it up take the humiliating loss and don't blame paine for the mess you created for him.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Andrew Flower did it @ 5

I didn't say its an easy job but Paine is under-performing. Paine is in the top7 and they have been woeful, he is part of the primary problem

Ok,. so that's two. Flower did it for 20 tests in two separate stints and was a quite brilliant batsman whether he was skipper or not. Gilchrist could manage it on brief occasions but he had brilliant players around him.

Paine is not in that league as a player AND we dont't have a single player that is apart from the banned ex-skipper. That is the level of ability that is needed to do it with any sort of real flair and Smith was hardly a great skipper anyway. Paine is there as we don't have captaincy material or much in the way of wicket-keeping material either. I hope they keep him there till someone better comes along. Wade is not that person, not as keeper.

But I have no problem with him being picked as a batsmen. Hell, I'd rather he turned over his arm than Head or Finch.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Paine is a fantastic keeper. It's not his job to score big.

Anyone questioning him has no idea. Pant isn't a tenth of the keeper Paine is. Pant has dropped 10 wickets this series.

His hundred doesn't make up for it.

 

[DaRick]

His keeping on the whole has been quite good; better than Pant's.

His batting has been gritty - he attempts to play each ball on its merits but at times his technique has been found wanting (not as badly as some higher up the order which says volumes) - I don't think he played the ball that bowled him particularly well for instance; his front foot should have been closer to the ball than it was IMO.

He carries himself in an affable, dignified manner but tactically I think he leaves a lot to be desired as captain. I don't want him sacked or anything because there are no other real alternatives at present, but although he has made more of an effort to use part-timers than before, he seems to use them to run through overs rather than to actually try and buy a wicket like Michael Clarke did. I remember how Clarke used Hussey to dismiss set batsmen a couple of times. For instance, he lured Sangakkara into a cover drive to short-cover by bowling a gentle, wide half volley and he lured Vettori into a cut shot, which a deliberately placed first slip accepted. He also used Watson to trap Carberry from around the wicket during the 2013/14 Ashes. I haven't seen evidence that Paine can do that, or indeed use frontline bowlers to set traps for batsmen - even Smith could do that once in a blue moon. When nothing's happening, he also has Smith's unfortunate tendency to just let the game drift rather than trying something to buy a wicket. Worse, even when he does have the opposition on the ropes, much like Smith he displays a lack of a killer instinct (Dubai and to a lesser extent Adelaide).

 

[Doodlesweaver]

It sounds like his bowlers weren't bowling to plans on the first day this test so perhaps they are culpable too? God knows I've seen Haze and Starc bowl like drains in England, if there was a plan, it can't have been that. Smith knew his bowlers far better than Paine did/does and he couldn't get them to do what they needed to all the time.

Clarke had good instincts as a skipper or so it seemed to me. People complained about him being funky but at least he tried things.

Also bowlers aren''t machines. Imagine trying to skipper Johnson when he was at his worst. You could barely set any field that wouldn't be all wrong. Starc can be like that. You wait for the wonder balls as he's not going to hit any consistent line or length.

 

[footyfan1978]

Paine is a fantastic keeper. It's not his job to score big.

Anyone questioning him has no idea. Pant isn't a tenth of the keeper Paine is. Pant has dropped 10 wickets this series.

His hundred doesn't make up for it.

I not watched every session but has Pant really dropped ten catches, Find it hard to believe it was that many. Maybe 4 or 5?

 

[Stopher]

He's done well in the circumstances but the banter angle has been well overblown.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Ok,. so that's two. Flower did it for 20 tests in two separate stints and was a quite brilliant batsman whether he was skipper or not. Gilchrist could manage it on brief occasions but he had brilliant players around him.

Paine is not in that league as a player AND we dont't have a single player that is apart from the banned ex-skipper. That is the level of ability that is needed to do it with any sort of real flair and Smith was hardly a great skipper anyway. Paine is there as we don't have captaincy material or much in the way of wicket-keeping material either. I hope they keep him there till someone better comes along. Wade is not that person, not as keeper.

But I have no problem with him being picked as a batsmen. Hell, I'd rather he turned over his arm than Head or Finch.

Bairstow, McCullum, Mushfiqur Rahim,

Apples and watermelons. Pant is a far better batter than keeper. Again, if Aussies can eek out a draw they're doing ok. Having their pants pulled down by a second rate test nation is ******* embarrasing.

comparing test keepers is about as apples/apples you will get in a sporting comparison. It wasnt that long ago Pant was playing under19s - he will improve with the gloves

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Bairstow, McCullum, Mushfiqur Rahim,



comparing test keepers is about as apples/apples you will get in a sporting comparison. It wasnt that long ago Pant was playing under19s - he will improve with the gloves

Bairstow hasn't been skipper?

McCullum was better as a batsman when skippering as was Rahim. Ok, more people have done it than I thought, I never remember McCullum for some reason. I still think we don't have much to choose from in Aus through the inexperience of the team. And I'm fine with Paine being brought in to do it. Who do you think should have skippered in Smith's absence? Usman is the only person I can think of who might have been thrown the job.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Paine has been brought into the team for primarily one reason; leadership and maturity. The best inclusion CA has made in a long time is making him Captain. What we lacked first and foremost was a spearhead for our National Team, and Paine brings the leadership element in spades. He certainly gives me the confidence that if they do bring back Warner that he will be able to keep him in line. Paine might be a quarter of the batsman that Smith is, but he is 10 times the leader and has maturity just as much over Smith.

There's absolutely no better individual to lead this country right now.

 

[Caesar]

Andrew Flower did it @ 5

If your main criticism of Paine is "he's not Andy Flower", then he's doing alright.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

His keeping on the whole has been quite good; better than Pant's.

His batting has been gritty - he attempts to play each ball on its merits but at times his technique has been found wanting (not as badly as some higher up the order which says volumes) - I don't think he played the ball that bowled him particularly well for instance; his front foot should have been closer to the ball than it was IMO.

He carries himself in an affable, dignified manner but tactically I think he leaves a lot to be desired as captain. I don't want him sacked or anything because there are no other real alternatives at present, but although he has made more of an effort to use part-timers than before, he seems to use them to run through overs rather than to actually try and buy a wicket like Michael Clarke did. I remember how Clarke used Hussey to dismiss set batsmen a couple of times. For instance, he lured Sangakkara into a cover drive to short-cover by bowling a gentle, wide half volley and he lured Vettori into a cut shot, which a deliberately placed first slip accepted. He also used Watson to trap Carberry from around the wicket during the 2013/14 Ashes. I haven't seen evidence that Paine can do that, or indeed use frontline bowlers to set traps for batsmen - even Smith could do that once in a blue moon. When nothing's happening, he also has Smith's unfortunate tendency to just let the game drift rather than trying something to buy a wicket. Worse, even when he does have the opposition on the ropes, much like Smith he displays a lack of a killer instinct (Dubai and to a lesser extent Adelaide).

I think that is a bit rough to be honest. I mean using Hussey to get a wicket wasn't really employing a lot of tactical nous, and we don't really have anyone to lean on for some very gentle medium pacers. We've used Labuschagne pretty unsuccessfully as a leg spin bowler and Head hasn't had to be used which perhaps is the only knock, but given the fact we have not had serious issues with our bowling, i think he has done enough.

Starc probably needs to work himself out before the Ashes tour. He clearly has not had the impact he would like. Hazelwood can drift in and out and Cummins has been excellent. Paine can't do much more with his bowling attack, some responsibility has to be held on the frontline quicks to have more impact.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...t/news-story/3c41f0c57669332fa51494ea84fb84e3

In the article our captain says Starc is out of form and low on confidence, then asks why the media is harsh on him when he's trying his hardest.....


Is he a ******* child? When you are the leading strike bowler for Australia and you are the first guy since the 70s to bowl 26 overs without a maiden you deserve some flak

When Warney criticized him early in the series they fired back like it was some personal vendetta when maybe they should have ******* listened or acknowledged the obvious.

"He’s going to have a bit of time off during the one-day series so there’s some time for him to go back and look at maybe what’s going wrong at the moment. “Has he been at his best in this series? No he hasn’t. Has he been (at this best) for a little while? Probably not. Starcy knows that. He’s working on it.”

Wait so he's been out of form for a while? Lucky he prepared for the series by not playing shield cricket FFS

This is where it's an issue. Starc has been off but has not been able to go back to NSW to come into form. That's a major scheduling problem. I think what Paine is saying is that we all know the guy is out of form so just acknowledge it and move on rather than continuing to harp on about it. There's only so many times the media 'professionals' can say he is out of form. We know it, he knows it.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Bairstow hasn't been skipper?

McCullum was better as a batsman when skippering as was Rahim. Ok, more people have done it than I thought, I never remember McCullum for some reason. I still think we don't have much to choose from in Aus through the inexperience of the team. And I'm fine with Paine being brought in to do it. Who do you think should have skippered in Smith's absence? Usman is the only person I can think of who might have been thrown the job.

Alec Stewart, rather

If your main criticism of Paine is "he's not Andy Flower", then he's doing alright.

no MS Dhoni or Andy Flower

 

[Topkent]

This is where it's an issue. Starc has been off but has not been able to go back to NSW to come into form. That's a major scheduling problem. I think what Paine is saying is that we all know the guy is out of form so just acknowledge it and move on rather than continuing to harp on about it. There's only so many times the media 'professionals' can say he is out of form. We know it, he knows it.

Then why is he in the team? He doesn't have to be picked for Australia especially when it's acknowledged he's struggling

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Then why is he in the team? He doesn't have to be picked for Australia especially when it's acknowledged he's struggling

Not saying he does. But selection isn’t really a strength of the individuals even employed to do that job right now.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Starc's a leftie, if we had another leftie that wasn't breakable (the Dorf is highly breakable), he'd be under more pressure.

 

[Del165198]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25703089/tim-paine-rues-lost-chances-adelaide
"We honestly feel that we let that [Adelaide] Test slip," Paine said. "We thought we had a number of opportunities to go well ahead of the game and when those key moments came up India outplayed us to be honest. Looking back now, if we'd won that Test, we win Perth, outplayed in Melbourne then a washout it could have been 2-1 the other way. It's funny, in a big series of four Tests you go back to a couple of key moments in the very first Test where we let ourselves down and you get to the end of the series and it's really hard to take."

pretty bizarre take from young timmy.

when you've been comprehensively outplayed for two tests in a row and were staring down the barrel of an innings defeat only to be saved by rain, it's a bit much to complain that if things had gone your way a little more you would have won the series.

the adelaide test only looked close on paper because the tail put on almost double what the "batters" did. they never seemed a realistic chance of winning.

you could also say that if india hadn't collapse from 4/223 to be all out for 283, you'd probably have lost the perth test too, timbo.

 

[Stax on the mill]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25703089/tim-paine-rues-lost-chances-adelaide
"We honestly feel that we let that [Adelaide] Test slip," Paine said. "We thought we had a number of opportunities to go well ahead of the game and when those key moments came up India outplayed us to be honest. Looking back now, if we'd won that Test, we win Perth, outplayed in Melbourne then a washout it could have been 2-1 the other way. It's funny, in a big series of four Tests you go back to a couple of key moments in the very first Test where we let ourselves down and you get to the end of the series and it's really hard to take."

pretty bizarre take from young timmy.

when you've been comprehensively outplayed for two tests in a row and were staring down the barrel of an innings defeat only to be saved by rain, it's a bit much to complain that if things had gone your way a little more you would have won the series.

the adelaide test only looked close on paper because the tail put on almost double what the "batters" did. they never seemed a realistic chance of winning.

you could also say that if india hadn't collapse from 4/223 to be all out for 283, you'd probably have lost the perth test too, timbo.

He was hardly complaining when he said “we thought we had a number of opportunities to go well ahead of the game and when those key moments came up India outplayed us to be honest”. Basically said Australia had chances in Adelaide, but just weren’t good enough. Think you’re over analysing what he said.

 

[to1994]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25703089/tim-paine-rues-lost-chances-adelaide
"We honestly feel that we let that [Adelaide] Test slip," Paine said. "We thought we had a number of opportunities to go well ahead of the game and when those key moments came up India outplayed us to be honest. Looking back now, if we'd won that Test, we win Perth, outplayed in Melbourne then a washout it could have been 2-1 the other way. It's funny, in a big series of four Tests you go back to a couple of key moments in the very first Test where we let ourselves down and you get to the end of the series and it's really hard to take."

pretty bizarre take from young timmy.

when you've been comprehensively outplayed for two tests in a row and were staring down the barrel of an innings defeat only to be saved by rain, it's a bit much to complain that if things had gone your way a little more you would have won the series.

the adelaide test only looked close on paper because the tail put on almost double what the "batters" did. they never seemed a realistic chance of winning.

you could also say that if india hadn't collapse from 4/223 to be all out for 283, you'd probably have lost the perth test too, timbo.

What do you want him to say? We're rubbish, don't bother tuning in for Sri Lanka as it's going to be more of the same?

He has to look at the positives and help himself and the team completely refresh for not only Sri Lanka but The World Cup and England later in the year. Nothing worse then people scrutinising the press conference of a sports player like they should be some PR guru. It's usually the same people who moan that all sports stars do in interviews now is rattle of cliches and avoid answering questions too.

 

[Del165198]

Don't know if trying to sugarcoat the shithouse performances of the last 2 tests is the right way to go about it.

 

[frankrizzo]

We did stuff up Adelaide though, we had them 4/40 and 6/120 and from 6 down they doubled their score.

With an angry fan base and a media looking to attack their own we had to win that first test and turn the talk back to on field issues.

I still think about that second new ball on day 1, it was some of the worst new ball bowling I have seen from this lot and it cost us the test.

 

[The Swans Blog]

We did stuff up Adelaide though, we had them 4/40 and 6/120 and from 6 down they doubled their score.

With an angry fan base and a media looking to attack their own we had to win that first test and turn the talk back to on field issues.

I still think about that second new ball on day 1, it was some of the worst new ball bowling I have seen from this lot and it cost us the test.

That first over from Starc, boy oh boy wowweeee!