Time we dropped our senior players.

[Free Agent]

Yesterday's game was unacceptable but yet I constantly keep reading post about us playing the top 2 side so we shouldn't of expected to win.

That's a cop out as this isn't the first time this season I've seen that after a loss. I'm a very passionate supporter and been following this club for a long time like most on here. How did we become so complacent. It's running right through the team and even supporters on here. Constantly hearing the old Fairweather supporter everytime we lose. It's not Fairweather to be pissed at such a poor display. This goes to a lot of posters on this board. Anyone accepting yesterday's game as being alright because Bulldogs are top 2 is exactly what they preach. They are the true Fairweather supporter for not showing any passion and seem ok with this. It's what's wrong with the club. No spirit or fight and am sick of it.

I love this club. We should be fighting for a top 4 spot simple. Yesterday's game was a disgrace. It was more then a disgrace. One of the worst performances over the last 2 decades. The players should hold there heads in shame. We showed no fight and no spirit and I'm actually more pissed off now then I was watching that game. I'm mad and want some answers for it from the top down. I want the players and coaches to take responsibility for it.

Now's the time for Simpson to make an example. We need to drop some senior players not performing. Gaff, Kelly, Sheed, Barrass, Yeo, Shuey, Reddon, Hurn, Ryan Sheppard. This group are quality but they really need a good kick up there asses right now.

I want to see at least 2 or 3 of this group dropped.
It needs to happen and needs to happen right now. If you're injuried or feeling rusty then gain you're fitness in the WAFL and earn you're way back. Simple. No more letting this slide.

Yesterday was an example of why you shouldn't carry any passengers and underdone players.

I don't want to see the same thing we do when we lose each time we drop our youth for some more youth to come in.
Our senior group need to be the ones being dropped right now.

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[javaguice]

But they've all had a run now and will be better for learning experience afforded to them by the bulldogs.

Simmo said we would learn from this.

 

[The wily weagle]

Whilst I don't disagree with the OP, it won't happen. They were all down, so who exactly would you drop?

Part of me would love the match committee to make a huge statement and drop Tim Kelly, but, naturally he will be given plausible deniability for poor form given he has just returned from a layoff. Ditto Shuey, Ryan, McGovern, Yeo etc

Hurn is being somewhat carried toward 300 games so it won't be him.

Maybe Sheed? Gaff?

Its just not Simpsons way though. After all, "credits in the bank" and all that.

 

[squashface]

As the title suggests am I the only one who believes it is time we dropped our senior players on the line this week?

 

[ziad]

Whilst I don't disagree with the OP, it won't happen. They were all down, so who exactly would you drop?

Part of me would love the match committee to make a huge statement and drop Tim Kelly, but, naturally he will be given plausible deniability for poor form given he has just returned from a layoff. Ditto Shuey, Ryan, McGovern, Yeo etc

Hurn is being somewhat carried toward 300 games so it won't be him.

Maybe Sheed? Gaff?

Its just not Simpsons way though. After all, "credits in the bank" and all that.

Hurn was one of our better.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Hurn was one of our better.

Hurn was ok yesterday, he did make some errors though which cost us goals yesterday which was not like him.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Hurn was one of our better.

....and Redden has probably been our most consistently best player over the past 5 weeks.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

In football a club should only ever be in one of two phases, challenging for a flag or building to challenge for a flag in the future.

The club believes it's in the 'challenging for a flag' phase and will continue to pick a team accordingly.

But what is very apparent to everyone, not just WC supporters on Bigfooty, is that we're nowhere near a flag. We are so far behind Melbourne, Bulldogs, Brisbane and Geelong that it can only be described as delusion to think we just need to get some match fitness in the returning players and we're golden.

I would bet that Simpson knows this. But when you have a best 22 with so many superstars like what we have, he can hardly start rebuilding. Nor can he risk changing the game plan and spending a couple seasons perfecting it, because our senior players are already pushing the end of their use by date. To me, it all smells like the club is playing the (safe) percentages and hoping it will be enough to challenge for one last flag. It clearly isn't working.

But what really is concerning is just how many players are showing a lack of effort (or any interest in competing generally). Do the senior players know their spot is safe regardless? Is it that the players don't buy into the game plan and know that even 100% effort is more likely to lead to injury or fatigue than wrestling the game back? There certainly seems some serious issues with the mental side of our senior players.

I'm hoping that 2021 we push as hard as we can, hope for a bit of September form/luck and see what happens.
But after that, the club needs to turn over our list and build up the next generation of players.

 

[bh90210fan]

Ryan looks like he’s playing hurt. Sheppard was playing hurt before he was concussed. Play the senior guys if they can run out a game, but if they can’t we’ve got enough depth to cover for them.

 

[Tugga27]

Yesterday's game was unacceptable but yet I constantly keep reading post about us playing the top 2 side so we shouldn't of expected to win.

That's a cop out as this isn't the first time this season I've seen that after a loss. I'm a very passionate supporter and been following this club for a long time like most on here. How did we become so complacent. It's running right through the team and even supporters on here. Constantly hearing the old Fairweather supporter everytime we lose. It's not Fairweather to be pissed at such a poor display. This goes to a lot of posters on this board. Anyone accepting yesterday's game as being alright because Bulldogs are top 2 is exactly what they preach. They are the true Fairweather supporter for not showing any passion and seem ok with this. It's what's wrong with the club. No spirit or fight and am sick of it.

I love this club. We should be fighting for a top 4 spot simple. Yesterday's game was a disgrace. It was more then a disgrace. One of the worst performances over the last 2 decades. The players should hold there heads in shame. We showed no fight and no spirit and I'm actually more pissed off now then I was watching that game. I'm mad and want some answers for it from the top down. I want the players and coaches to take responsibility for it.

Now's the time for Simpson to make an example. We need to drop some senior players not performing. Gaff, Kelly, Sheed, Barrass, Yeo, Shuey, Reddon, Hurn, Ryan Sheppard. This group are quality but they really need a good kick up there asses right now.

I want to see at least 2 or 3 of this group dropped.
It needs to happen and needs to happen right now. If you're injuried or feeling rusty then gain you're fitness in the WAFL and earn you're way back. Simple. No more letting this slide.

Yesterday was an example of why you shouldn't carry any passengers and underdone players.

I don't want to see the same thing we do when we lose each time we drop our youth for some more youth to come in.
Our senior group need to be the ones being dropped right now.

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I'm as pissed off as the next supporter over our loss.
And yes, it was unacceptable.
But people like yourself make knee jerk reactions with no balance.
Calls to sack Simmo and drop Kelly for O'Neil are ridiculous (not saying you said this).

Our game against Richmond was a good example.
When Richmond got 4 goals in front, people saying we had no heart,
game plan was screwed, Simmo has lost the players.
We get up and win and the silence was deafening by those posters.

Out of the group you mentioned that you want to be dropped, Shep, Hurn and Barrass were all pretty good yesterday.

let's look one game back against Richmond.

Barrass was huge on Reiwoldt, had a huge last quarter as well. Looked to be injured yesterday.
Hurn received coaches votes.
Yeo coming back from over a year out was also huge in the final term.
Redden had 32 possessions and 7 clearances.
Shuey, on hist game against Port was BOG, our captain and you want him dropped....FFS!
Kelly first game back, really?

I'll give you Gaff has been quiet as well as Ryan.

If you want to make a statement, drop Darling who has been poor for over a month, not players
returning from injury or players who have been good.

It's clear to a lot (unbiased) supporters that the Bulldogs are a better team than us.
They're not second by accident.
That's not excusing our woeful performance BTW.

This team doesn't usually let us down and I expect a strong response next week.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Yesterday's game was unacceptable but yet I constantly keep reading post about us playing the top 2 side so we shouldn't of expected to win.

That's a cop out as this isn't the first time this season I've seen that after a loss. I'm a very passionate supporter and been following this club for a long time like most on here. How did we become so complacent. It's running right through the team and even supporters on here. Constantly hearing the old Fairweather supporter everytime we lose. It's not Fairweather to be pissed at such a poor display. This goes to a lot of posters on this board. Anyone accepting yesterday's game as being alright because Bulldogs are top 2 is exactly what they preach. They are the true Fairweather supporter for not showing any passion and seem ok with this. It's what's wrong with the club. No spirit or fight and am sick of it.

I love this club. We should be fighting for a top 4 spot simple. Yesterday's game was a disgrace. It was more then a disgrace. One of the worst performances over the last 2 decades. The players should hold there heads in shame. We showed no fight and no spirit and I'm actually more pissed off now then I was watching that game. I'm mad and want some answers for it from the top down. I want the players and coaches to take responsibility for it.

Now's the time for Simpson to make an example. We need to drop some senior players not performing. Gaff, Kelly, Sheed, Barrass, Yeo, Shuey, Reddon, Hurn, Ryan Sheppard. This group are quality but they really need a good kick up there asses right now.

I want to see at least 2 or 3 of this group dropped.
It needs to happen and needs to happen right now. If you're injuried or feeling rusty then gain you're fitness in the WAFL and earn you're way back. Simple. No more letting this slide.

Yesterday was an example of why you shouldn't carry any passengers and underdone players.

I don't want to see the same thing we do when we lose each time we drop our youth for some more youth to come in.
Our senior group need to be the ones being dropped right now.

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Lots of good points here but unfortunatly thats not how footy clubs operate, especially these days.
Every single club in the league would of played Shuey, Kelly, Gov and Shep yesterday. I certainly had no issue with them all playing.
I did have an issue how we used them though.
Luke Edwards coming off 2 good games basically gets sent to no mans land so these guys can play in the midfield when it should of been the opposite. Play Kelly in the FP and let him Chop out Edwards while he builds his fitness. Shuely and Keely should of spent most of their game time forward and not on the ball. But again that doesn't happen like that these days.

I have more of an issue with the club not facing up and accepting some realities that are staring them in the face.
Jake Waterman has played 50 games now, he is well past the excuses time, there is no what if's, could of or should of time for him anymore. What we are seeing is what he is. And he has had more than enough time to show he is a serious AFL player and he simply is not. Jones needs to now be given those 50 odd games to show his worth.

Petch is the same, I keep laughing every time I read that Petch is tracking nicely, tracking nicely to what? Petch is at his peak now, like Waterman he has played more than enough footy to know what to do and he can't do it. He has done some nice things this year but it's not enough and as a small forward he simply can't get himself into the game enough. His chasing has improved, it's gone from non existent to now at least trying a few times in the game.
Small forward is a hard position to play, but most small forwards are failed midfielders who at least have a very good feel for the game. I don't think Petch does and we have others on our list who I would be investing games into now.

Cole tries his guts out but I crap myself every time he has ball in hand, he gives lots of free kicks away and is easily out smarted by good players who he seems to always be playing on. Foley and or Witherdon should be ahead of him now.

Ryan needs a kick up the arse also, he seems more interested taking mark of the century than doing what he should do which is rove the pack. Not his fault I guess if coach allows him to do as he pleases. Needs to work much harder, has gone from being ranked as one of our best players to another jeckyl and hyde who only tr4ies when it suits him.

I agree there are to many walk up starts, Sheed for me needs some time in the WAFL to convince him to take the next step. They won't do it though. I still think the club are very happy just making finals and making money. If we end up with more Members than Richmond then that will be deemed as a huge success for the club. For the fans though, who gives a shit about members.

 

[Tugga27]

Whilst I don't disagree with the OP, it won't happen. They were all down, so who exactly would you drop?

Part of me would love the match committee to make a huge statement and drop Tim Kelly, but, naturally he will be given plausible deniability for poor form given he has just returned from a layoff. Ditto Shuey, Ryan, McGovern, Yeo etc

Hurn is being somewhat carried toward 300 games so it won't be him.

Maybe Sheed? Gaff?

Its just not Simpsons way though. After all, "credits in the bank" and all that.

Hurn played OK yesterday and got coaches votes against Richmond a fortnight ago.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

If every post is about how the Bulldogs are second so losing to them is ok, then I’m not sure what board I’m reading.

Ratio of vitriolic “drop them all/sack the coach” posts to “that was acceptable” posts is about 100:1.

Other posters have pointed out, some of those players listed were clearly in our best, or were in our best last week. You don’t win in this league, week to week or long term, by affording your players zero scope for a bad day. For all the “Simmo’s lost the group” BS - that’s how you lose a group. Don’t make a mistake and don’t you dare have a bad day or you’re on the street.

We were shit. It sucked. Way too many passengers. Going on without 10 senior players for the sake of it helps nobody and doesn’t send the message of accountability you think it does, it sends a message that the club has shit the bed and is panicking.

 

[Divebomb]

Time to inject, Luke Foley and a few younger bodies into the line up and give them experience.

It seems that a number of the senior players like Petrecelle, sheed, Gaff, Darling, Waterman and Shepard need to be given a break and maybe Liam Ryan. I suspect that Liam Ryan is playing hurt at the moment given that he got injured during this year and is banged up.

For mine, I don't think it hurts giving other players a go. With a number of players nearing the end, I am anticipating a big rebuild from 2022 so I am not holding my breath in terms of the teams future performance.

 

[JEagle]

Our midfield needs to lift. If you are selected, no excuses, you need to perform. They smashed us. Imagine if they had Dunkley in and Treloar back on the outside.

 

[JEagle]

Time to inject, Luke Foley and a few younger bodies into the line up and give them experience.

It seems that a number of the senior players like Petrecelle, sheed, Gaff, Darling, Waterman and Shepard need to be given a break and maybe Liam Ryan. I suspect that Liam Ryan is playing hurt at the moment given that he got injured during this year and is banged up.

For mine, I don't think it hurts giving other players a go. With a number of players nearing the end, I am anticipating a big rebuild from 2022 so I am not holding my breath in terms of the teams future performance.

Petch was one of our better players yesterday. I'd give Cripps a rest and stop picking Waterman. I like him, but in the wet against a bunch of runners, wtf was the match committee thinking?

 

[Karim Abdul Yeo]

Whilst I don't disagree with the OP, it won't happen. They were all down, so who exactly would you drop?

Part of me would love the match committee to make a huge statement and drop Tim Kelly, but, naturally he will be given plausible deniability for poor form given he has just returned from a layoff. Ditto Shuey, Ryan, McGovern, Yeo etc

Hurn is being somewhat carried toward 300 games so it won't be him.

Maybe Sheed? Gaff?

Its just not Simpsons way though. After all, "credits in the bank" and all that.

perhaps we drop Simmo??

 

[JEagle]

The biggest worry for our team is that an old guy prone to soft tissue injuries is still our best mid.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Petch was one of our better players yesterday. I'd give Cripps a rest and stop picking Waterman. I like him, but in the wet against a bunch of runners, wtf was the match committee thinking?

The bar is very low if you think Petch was one of our best yesterday. He was very average just like his 21 team mates.

 

[Divebomb]

Petrecelle has peaked, the only reason why simmo picks him is because of his speed which he never uses to his advantage. Jermaine Jones may not be as fast, not saying he is slow either but I have seen Jermaine Jones perform pretty well this year and knows how to tackle and apply pressure. I was very surprised he got dropped

 

[Tugga27]

The bar is very low if you think Petch was one of our best yesterday. He was very average just like his 21 team mates.

Yep

Petch was ordinary at best I thought.

Bulldogs probably had 12 of the best 15 on the ground.
NN clearly our best I thought.

 

[Tugga27]

Petrecelle has peaked, the only reason why simmo picks him is because of his speed which he never uses to his advantage. Jermaine Jones may not be as fast, not saying he is slow either but I have seen Jermaine Jones perform pretty well this year and knows how to tackle and apply pressure. I was very surprised he got dropped

Yep
Dropping JJ for Waterman was a strange one.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Petrecelle has peaked, the only reason why simmo picks him is because of his speed which he never uses to his advantage. Jermaine Jones may not be as fast, not saying he is slow either but I have seen Jermaine Jones perform pretty well this year and knows how to tackle and apply pressure. I was very surprised he got dropped

Has Petch peaked? He’s just turned 22 and, aside from that five goals out the back game against Port, has had all of the best games of his career this year. I wrote him off at the start of the season as an athlete who still didn’t ‘get’ footy, but since then he’s turned in some very good games and shown more crumbing forward craft than we’ve ever seen from him.

Whether he’s a walk up start in the best 22 or not is one thing, but I’m not sure it’s fair to say he’s peaked.

JJ should be playing, absolutely.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Did Gaff miss a tackle at one point? Time to scapegoat him, really send a message.

 

[Divebomb]

Petch was one of our better players yesterday. I'd give Cripps a rest and stop picking Waterman. I like him, but in the wet against a bunch of runners, wtf was the match committee thinking?

You cannot be serious?? Petrecelle was hardly sighted besides kicking 1 goal and not applying forward pressure like most small forwards should. Its not just him, his other teammates were caught out of position so many times I have lost count and were being lead to the ball so many times.

A lot of changes must be made this week, although I would personally leave JD and JK and OA in the forward line for structural reasons.

As for the backline, I reckon Shepard should be dropped and Luke Foley as his replacement. It was very Harsh for Foley to get dropped after performing well the previous match. McGovern has been well below par this year, but to be fair to him, he has had a disrupted season with injuries and i feel he is still a little underdone.

For this week against sydney, i dont care if they lose as long as they try a different approach by moving the ball a lot faster and not relying on the kick mark game which will become unstuck if they screw it up. Being too conservative is counterproductive now